Sunday, October 11, 2015

13 Mos after the Iguala massacre of 49 Mex is requesting U.S. help

Lucio R Borderland Beat material from jornada and reforma
The case that Mexicans refuse to forget, and reject official government investigation results
The president of the National Human Rights Commission (CNDH), Luis Raúl González Pérez, today gave its approval to the incorporation of US experts in a second investigation of the Iguala case.  However, he proposed including those who have participated from the beginning. "In such a complex, sad case, as was the disappearance of 43 normalistas and where there is such differences on some topics of the research itself, I think it is important to invite the best experts, wherever they are, and above all include those who have already expressed their views,” he said in an interview.

The Ombudsman was consulted on the request of the Attorney General's Office (PGR) to reach out to the U.S. ATF agency,  to participate in new investigation in the dump of Cocula.
Primarily objective is to clarify whether if incineration of the normalistas Ayotzinapa on September 26-27, 2014 was possible at the dump.

"I think all the work that has been conducted is important, but it is important that the disciplines of the experts have to be analyzed by  review, but still invite those who have already expressed their opinion, including forensic expert  José Luis Torero " he reiterated.

The latter, referring to the report of the Interdisciplinary Group of Independent Experts (IMCI) of the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (IACHR) found that students could not have been incinerated at the site.


The head of the Commission questioned as to whether the intervention of US authorities could help or complicate matters.

"However, I see the U.S.  in the role of having the best  scientists to help clarify this complex case" .

The PGR presented other requests for legal assistance: one addressed to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), to provide any reports they have on the cartel known as Guerreros Unidos, who were named involved in the normalistas massacre, and NASA, requesting that they provide satellite images pertinent to the case.

It was satellite images, previously reported of, which lacked any evidence of fire at the dump during the 26-27th  time frame, supposedly when 43 bodies were incinerated at the dump.

50 comments:

  1. Finally! It only took a year, but maybe international attention has forced the Mexican governments' hand on this tragedy. Let's hope!

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    1. The only problem is that "they" have already hidden or gotten rid of the best evidence. They've killed witnesses and most of the suspects. The new investigators won't be able to find any thing different as the Mexican predecessors.

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    2. The names of the commanders on the field can not be erased, the soldiers must have been dispersed, but the "Commander in Chief" enrique peña nieto and his "Estado Mayor Presidencial", Military Zone Commanders, the Battallion lieutenants and colonels, they know why they allowed the shootings and persecutions to go on all night without interference, or somebody in charge must accept that they were fooled by a couple of municipal police officers and the imperial couple of iguala...

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  2. The U.S. agencies have little to gain from involvement after 13 mos. The crime scene and witnesses have been manipulated so much that finding facts now would be impossible. The Mexican gov't. wants another distraction from the basic fact that there was governmental collusion before, during and after the massacre. The details of the crime are known to EPN but will never be disclosed to the public. Killing and moving 43 bodies will leave a ton of clues, witnesses etc. EPN has the tools to solve the crime but not the will to overcome a corrupted investigation.

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    1. 1:54 PM, Sadly, agree, totally.

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    2. Well spoken, its another derversion. One the USA should avoid. Tell them we can not do it.

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    3. The US must execute somebody to save peña nieto's ass, he is soo cute and such a good boy to the US...

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    4. Would be nice if they were allowed to use lie detector tests in their investigation. Maybe EPN could help restore some confidence that he was not involved if he could pass one given by the USA and not his cronies.

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    5. The US has never discovered one body of the thousands of killed murdered disappeared by their puppet dictatorship in Chile, the perrochetista regime was disowned when things started popping out, but the US never has done anything to bring anybody to justice, it has all been the work of others, maybe quite the contrary
      --1973, US Navy Captain Ray E. Davis gave information to the pinochet regime about a Carles Horan and a Frank Teruggi who were promptly arrested tortured and assassinated, their bodies disappesred by chilean army col. Pedro rodriguez and a rafael gonzalez...
      --It took 40 years to get the accusations against US intelligence, to take to court, by then USN Capt. Davies was dead...
      --Does anybody really need US assistance there?
      --Peter Kornbluh/ THE PINOCHET FILE: A Declassified Dossier on Atrocities and Accountability...
      --movie "MISSING" A OUT THE TORTURE DEATH OF CHARLES HORMAN...

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    6. The US has a lot to gain from discovering before the world what the hell happened in ayotzinapa, the US have the best investigators in the world, equipment, and methods...
      --the fact that the US will not help or volunteer, "unless the mexican government 'asks' pretty pretty please" which they have been instructed not to do, smears the US with the blood of the disappeared and the murdered, and the fact is even more supported by the other fact:
      --the US supplies the mexican governing narco-mierdocracia their weapons to prevent any consequences...

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  3. Woooh. A year later but they finally did it

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    1. And then, general salvador cienpedos affirms that (whatever anybody says) he will not let any foreign powers interrogate his soldiers, not without the presence of their superior military commanders to intimidate the soldiersI to prevent the interrogators from intimidating the "heroes de la patria"...general cienpedos "soldaditos"...
      --Cienpedos did not attend the School of the Americas to give in and surender..cienpedos has also been in on crimen es de estado por los Ultimos 45 o 50 años, well involved in mexico68 as a military college cadet...
      --Well, pinochet the chilean traitor mass murdering "giniral"could have done the same, he would not have been left alone crying like a little girl "I am not a criminal... I saved my beloved cuntry, haiga sido como haiga sido... ellos jueron... yo no saba nada... yo no mande ni ordené ni autorizé... bullshit... I am senile, have alzheimer, my memory does not help, you can not put in prison an older senior citizen, ingrates, you do not remember when you asked Me to get the army involved and save the el pais?

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    2. 11:08 AM! just reading the name General Cienpedos is a LMAO moment, everytime I run across it. Bravo! Encore!

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    3. Must say it is not my original creation, someone else started.it, and 2hat better place to share it but BB?

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    4. 2:20 AM, Cheers:-)

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    5. Share, le cae al que no lo comparta...

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  5. While they are at it someone should look into the incarceration of Dr. Mireles on fake charges and the recent killing of the leaders of the auto defensas. Let's find out how deeply involved Pena Nieto's administration is in all of this. Start with his personal friend Castillo.
    It appears the shit's gonna hit the fan.

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    1. Excellent points, 8:26 PM. Somehow, there's an "interconnectedness" of powerful "interests" flying under the radar whose profit margins can't flourish without the presence of ongoing, armed conflict. Peace is bad for business. Like Castelló, EPN is easy to despise. Michoacán AD is legitimate, IMO. Dr. Mireles' incarnation is unjust, but it doesn't take away from the fact that the Michoacán cause is justifiable or the respect the Good Doctor's righteous courage has earned him. I suspect the Colombian narco-paramilitary is active in the Michoacán armed, civil "conflict," dispatched to Mexico by the same narco-fascismo forces that wield the power to place the likes of a Santos and an Uribe, a Pinochet or EPN in position as heads of state. VIVA MIRELES! VIVA MEXICO!

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    2. As soon as the US distances itself from the mexican criminal government, their crooked card empire will start coming down, and we can start a new relationship...
      --till then...

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    3. "..Peña Nieto's latest deployment of federal forces echoes similar actions taken by Calderon, whose reliance on the military to battle fearsome drug cartels became an integral part of Mexico's so-called, War on Drugs... Calderon's first acts as president was to send 6,500 troops to restore order in his home state of Michoacan.

      The troops were supposed to be a temporary measure, but six years later the administration sent another 4,000 to the state. The 5,000 federal agents Peña Nieto is deploying to Michoacan -- on top of the 3,000 already there -- are likely to stay for the long-term as well.

      As more municipal police forces are dissolved under Mando Unico, the state will become even more dependent on federal security forces.." Here's the link to the complete article from INSIGHT CRIME:
      http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/recycling-security-strategies-in-mexico?utm_source=Master+List&utm_campaign=91cd3023ab-15_10_0910_8_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e90c5425f9-91cd3023ab-267156269

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    4. The "state" dependent on federal forces is the federal government...
      --more and more states people are turning against the mexican governing narco-mierdocracia federal, because they just exploit and rob and murder and leave nothing behind other than their federal security forces to continue their federal crimes...

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    5. 1:48 AM, The Revolution's in slow-mo gaining momentum...

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  6. Lets hope the U.S can help, I know its very late but there is hope for those poor students and other innconent that were murdered.. May there voices BE HEARD

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  7. The Mexican Government & the Cartels they are in bed with, have had a year to destroy evidence and get their versions right. All the US will be able to do is expose what we already knew: that the Mexican Government is corrupt and actually works "FOR" the Mexican Drug Cartels.

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  8. I think the most relevant thing Mexico has asked for is the NASA images. as reported early on the images were proof the dump had no fires on those dates. Also as mentioned there was a rainstorm.

    I have long been convinced the army participated in at least protecting the city borders, no one out or in while police and narcos attacked. I believe it was then the army who transferred the bodies to the army crematorium in DF.

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    1. Yeah me too Chivis but not the one in DF but the one closer to where this happened wich I believe is within 25 miles que no?

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    2. Yes, I would agree, w/ Chivis' assessment %100. The article manages to nicely skip over the army's crematorium. I get the NASA involvement, but FBI? Thought they weren't allowed to operate outside the US. So many issues are getting manipulated, shuffled like a deck of cards by the press, y'a can't help wonder how "big" & "whose" $ is it that's still EPN "friendly" enuff to pay for the media's mishmash of half truths, unchecked facts' vague accuracy that confuses us further, when we're already shocked to the core by this hideous tragedy's theft of 43 irreplaceable, young lives. It's very difficult to get any grasp on the truth to this haunting story, thank goodness for BB pointing us in the direction towards it. Respects.

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    3. FBI International has 75 offices throughout the globe most in the americas. but you are correct much is being manipulated. But there is valuable proof that the US can provide to at least determine what the majority of people know....they were not incinerated at the dump. the closest crematorium is not far away. I think there is one in cuernavaca and of course a few in DF

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    4. yes there was one closer by maybe 15 20 min out. but it was closed down and no longer used. and another private crematorium close but that also was shut down, although they found bodies laying around getting ready for cremation. they had been there for a while.

      there are two routes to cuernavaca and df from iguala, the drive is not far...hr and half mas o menos

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    5. Thank you very much, Chivis. I had no idea about the FBI International many offices. I remember driving with my family on the road between Cuernavaca & DF from 50 years back, when I was a teenager. It was safe, even at night, the biggest worries were running out of gas, or a flat tire. In my mind's eye, i can still see miles of lights ahead from the cars, trucks and buses, twisting along that gravel-paved, two lane road back to Mexico City. From now on, I will think of these lights dancing the night as the bright spirits of the lost students, lighting the way to justice for Mexico. Peace.

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  9. Sadly a small but popular pueblo just out of the city limits of Chihuahua has worked out a Narco agreement. I have been told by all the locals that LA Linea has just worked out a deal with the police commander. Nice pueblos and all areas just keep going down hill as they join forces with the cartels. They go from pleasant great tourist spots to more dangerous places. Mexico is going downhill more one step at a time. When will this end. If the people know it, so does the government but no one talks.

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    1. You don't understand its this agreements that keep the towns safe. When there are no agreements is when the violence starts.

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    2. I do understand because I have lived here for years and there has been no problem. But the police are starting to get out of hand with the people that live there now. Flexing their muscles and acting invincible. They are a bigger force now and are really hassling the people big time. You can feel the tense air with the people. They have changed over night. Because now you will see extortion and more problems as more narco's flood into the pueblo.

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    3. Mexico isn't only for tourists. If, you live in these picture-perfect towns and villages, you pay protection money. That's not the same thing as working for the cartels. It's about staying alive.

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    4. 8:44 on these pueblos, people don't have money but to barely subsist...
      --how much "protection money" can be had from them?
      --How much money is there in selling drugs to these pueblos?
      They are just land to be acquired or just drugs to be grown there, but nor for themselves, maybe cesar duarte el capulina is making another hacienda for his ass on the Chihuahua state; in guerrero, we know they are making room for los rojos, los GU, cida or la barredora or somebody, but they don't want any ayotzinapos drug trafficking guerrillas there, much less communist socialist guerrillas...

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  10. Maybe the U.S will focus on Mexico now that Russia is taking care of ISIS IN Syria

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    1. Perish the thought, 11:33 AM! Mexico doesn't need occupying US forces or smart bombs dropped on it. Only Mexicans can legitimately solve Mexico's issues. More foreign intervention freaks meddling in Mexican affairs, ignoring her sovereignty are exactly what the country does not need.

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    2. Russians are bombing the Syrian Rebels ISIS. FYI

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  11. Mexico doesn't need help from anyone!!! They know exactly what happened to them and who did it!!! Para que se hacen pendejos

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  12. Cds trying to kill el mencho in colima just so you know

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  13. More Machiavellian nonsense. If Mexico had been the least bit serious to begin with they would have allowed the questioning of the soldiers who were present at the scene of the crime. They didn't and evidence has had a full year to be trampled, rained on and obliterated entirely. The federal and state government is up to their ass guilty in this forced disappearance. And after the cloud of horse shit dust settles after this farce investigation is concluded nothing will have changed. ANY insignificant finding will face hurdle after hurdle. The fuckheads won this one. And EUA interests lie in one place Money. They don't care and won't care even if cannibalism starts up. Soy Mexicano.

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    1. @SOY MEXICANO: Word.

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    2. 2:01 Que vas a ser mexicano...just kidding, welcome

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  14. All the bad talk about the US costantly out of Mexico and now this? Why help? Sorry not to sound mean, but we helped in so many instances like Chapo. Yet the US gets burned and have wasted monies collected from their citizens to fix Mexico problems. Not worth the time or money. The arrangement should be find Chapo send him to the US immediately and then we will consider future help. The US is an awful place until they need help there. Have Chapo find the culprits, since he is so GOD like there.

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    1. Well, honey, the US government sent it's billions of dollars in weapons to the wrong address, if they had been more equitative, our beloved leader El Gran Señor Don El Chapo, would have already won the war for the votes, the brains the hearts and the money of the mexicans, it all went to the mexican governing narco-mierdocracia instead, and you know the results, big fail crash and burn, nobody to blame but the infallible US who can not win a war decently since they liberated South Korea...and that was only half won, after having won it all...

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    2. The US may war on other Countries but Mexico is warring on & destroying itself ... Blaming objects and others won't fix a peoples lack of morals and no sense of personal responsibility.

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    3. 1:19 'yeas' pinky panty, their lack of responsibilities, bla bla bla disappeared the 43 ayotzinapos, released the tlatlaya murderers, murdered the ABC children and the narvarte murders etcetcetc...
      Callate pendejo

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  15. Where are all the blind Americans that claim Mexican's don't care about Mexico or their fellow citizens? Where are all the American's that claim Oh, Mexican's are content with what's happening in MX. Protest happen a lot more often than you think. It's just CNN & MSNBC won't broadcast.

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