Wednesday, May 6, 2015

Jalisco Crash Photos: The ruins of CJNG downed Military Helicopter raises questions

Lucio R for Borderland Beat

Crash site photos raises more questions than provides answers


According to the government, the military Cougar helicopter gunned down last Friday in the  municipality of Villa Purification, Jalisco, was fired on by two RPG’s rocket launchers and was hit by two projectiles. A total of six were fired at the aircraft.  This was reported by the Monte Alejandro Rubido, national security chief and confirmed by the general of the federal police of Mexico Enrique Galindo.

They both now admit, there was not an “emergency landing”, but the aircraft went down and crashed in flames.  Rubio says there were a total of 4 aircraft in the air and CJNG shot down one, “proving their skill, or maybe just good luck.”  Further stating the missing 3 soldiers actually were in the aircraft and completely incinerated.



Rubio rays DNA studies were conducted and are complete, revealing  the three soldier perished  in the crash. 

It took 4 days to admit the aircraft crashed and had not emergency landed.  They have consistently reported 18 military and police were on board the aircraft;  of those 3 were killed, 3 missing and the remainder injured.  Noteworthy is that the feds reported on Sunday evening the total of dead in the crash was 5.

There is a major cover-up going on, greater than usual

Why hasn't there been personal details of the soldiers, police and officers been released, such as names?  Not even of the "confirmed dead"?

The casualty numbers are continually changing. Judging by the photos,  it is more likely that all perished in the crash.  The Cougar was in flames as it descended in the crash.

The greatest puzzlement is; Why were we told there were 3 "missing soldiers",  if this was what remained of the crash, why was there such a massive search for the 3 soldiers? 

If we take SEGOB at their word and DNA was done and results returned as the 3 soldiers, they had to have found the remains immediately, yet never reported that, only that the search continued for the three. 

Rubio even offered his opinion that "maybe the soldiers were hiding".  This, while by their own account remains had been discovered and were being DNA tested.


History making event

With the government confirmation that an RPG was implemented in the attack, it marks the first verified time in Mexico, an aircraft has been gunned down by an organized crime group.

In the past 2 years federal forces helicopters were damaged during operations in Michoacán.

However, in those events, a Barret 50 caliber was used in the attacks, and although damage was sustained, it was not significant or to the point of destroying an aircraft.


In Jalisco Federal forces were not only outmatched in battle, they were outsmarted, out planned, and lost to CJNG in the matchup of intelligence application.

“Operation Jalisco” was a planned operation by the feds, the clash was an event they prepared for, and not so for Nemesio Oseguera Cervantes, “El Mencho”, premier leader and founder of CJNG, his attack was reactionary but seemingly ready to roll at the drop of a hat.

In the conflict Mencho demonstrated much more than his power and capabilities, he demonstrated his exceptional talent as a strategist.   He was prepared, and on point for whenever or wherever a foe would present itself.

Mencho’s edge has a component missing on the side of the good guys, he has a swollen base of corruption that assist him state wide. In his back pocket resides a corruption pool that includes, business owners, politicians, municipal and state police.  He is said to have on his payroll, a core group of corrupt federal forces stationed on the main corridors of Jalisco, Michoacán and Guerrero, they advise him of movement by the government. 

In order for the feds to gain the upper hand they must disrupt the Mencho’s coalition of corruption.  Without that, they will need a whole bunch of luck, and much better intelligence discovery and application. .

Numbers game

Casualty numbers continue to change.  Now there are 7 dead elements.  Looking at the photos the probability is great that everyone perished. Why not just announce that?  Could the answer be as simple as the feds do not want to  give the impression of being so inept in an election year as to conduct an operation to destroy a cartel, by capturing its leaders, but in the end the cartel (CJNG) had them for breakfast?  

And by keeping facts away from voters it was in their best interest? Obviously not realizing the muddy waters of the administration’s reports, makes them appear beyond untrustworthy. Especially with the transparency bill just signed by Mexico’s leader? It is all unusually odd.


Even for Mexico.







127 comments:

  1. exactly! the numbers are all over the place, 3 then 6 then 5 now 7.

    that was an indicator that they were covering up something. they did say two helicopters were fired on. maybe two went down? if so the number of dead would be dozens,

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  2. So sad
    Mexico needs a revolution

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    1. Won't happen it is an against the law to own guns in Mexico. Obama would love to take our guns away

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    2. No weapons

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    3. You want to be a revolutionary while obeying the state? Makes sense.

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    4. A revolution is the worst that can happen

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    5. Actually this is a Revolution (rural forces, autodefensas, ayotzinapa). Governments will never say it (Siryan government never used the word Revolution) Its a strategy so other forces don't join. They keep claiming a fight with criminals. And they hide their deaths, so people believe everything is under control.

      When you are in a revolution never expect someone to recognize you are in a revolution.

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    6. Why do you all keep saying ints against the law to own guns in Mexico?? Read the 10th article of the Mexican constitution PLEASE

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    7. You are going to argue "constitution" with mexican government crooks and goons?
      Good luck @10:41

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    8. Assault rifles are illegal in Mexico.

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  3. "dozens dead" in an operation they initiated would be bad publicity in an election season for sure.

    they did not deploy units on the ground after spotting the convoy loaded with arms, they should have had those in place before following cjng so closely. neighbors said the aircraft was flying in extremely low altitude.

    Outstanding reporting lucio

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  4. There are any number of reasons why the "truth" may be obscured. It could easily be a 'head fake' on behalf of he gob. If one wanted to sort of 'tickle the wire' by publishing erroneous information in the hopes that the terrorists were continuing to look for the soldiers all the while their transmissions were being monitored and their locations being fixed. Either way, it is a dark day for the forces of freedom and the rule of law. K.O.

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    1. "Transparency"... the mexican governing narco-mierdocracia can not handle transparency, and it is certainly a sad day for them when a bunch of narcs handed them their ass...
      --The forces of freedom to steal, rape and murder or at least just disappear dozens of students at a time found their match, and nobody gives a damn about the mexican armed forces that help their president do as he pleases

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  5. but maybe after the new transparency law was signed the government deicded to come clean.

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    1. Is this a Joke

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    2. Yeah, they will come clean in los calzones...

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  6. ... Thanks For The Photos Lucio, We Have All Been Waiting To See What The Condition Was Of The Helicopter For The People To Have Survived ... Let's Just Say, There Are Many People Who Do Not Beleive The Governments Story, Keep Up The Good Work Reporting ... P.S. Listen To The Radio Talk Between One Of The Zetas And Police While Escaping ... Another Coverup Happening Possibly? But Of Course ......

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    1. I sent the zeta audio to otis thinking he may want to translate, but if he doesn't by tomorrow I will look for someone else. Lucio is travelling on business this week so I don't think he has time.

      or maybe a reader may want to do it. I agree it should be posted. are you who sent it in?

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    2. I'll translate it. How can I contact you?

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    3. excellent
      chivis.martinez@hushmail.com Please type in ZETAS AUDIO in the subject line so I will not miss your email.

      thanks so much

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    4. I'll translate it chivis. I'll do the honors.

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    5. Hola Nelson, I think the other reader is doing it, if not I will take you up on your generous offer.

      Paz and Goodnight world

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    6. ... Yes Chivis ... 👤

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    7. NAJ I just sent an email to you, I sent it to the forum registration email addy.

      Paz

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    8. Thanks to our Mexican bros for their offer of help translating,appreciate it...

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  7. This is easy if you muliply 18 times 2 you get 36 and 9 plus 10 equal 21. So there you go thats your number segob

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    1. 9 plus 10 doesn't equal to 21. It's 19.

      Simple math.

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    2. Jaha On the Internet 9+10=21. Its a famous joke.

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    3. How is it famous?
      I find it a stupid proposition with no merit whatsoever...
      Those "who get it"are a bunch of fake ass assholes

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    4. It's called a joke Pendejo 4:39a. Anyone with a sense of humor gets it. Remember we are talking about the Mexican government divulging info to the public. Why call another commenter an asshole because you don't get it is the magic question.

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    5. You're wrong on so many levels. It's 6 multiplied by 78 then you divide it into quadrants of 6

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    6. Playing cards, if 9 and 10 is closest to 21 it is 21, I do not play cards either, but you got me thinking where the hell dumbasses come with so much BS, then you win and you can go back to slicing the 8 ball with the cards, for a double win...bye!

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  8. Many more federal and military personnel were killed in firefights throughout the state. The media was suppressed immediately

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  9. Could it be the segob brought down its own chopper. In order to blame the cartel?

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    1. Soldiers killing their own? Nope sorry.

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    2. Who knows. There a whole lots money begin made in the drug war. 💰💰💰💰💰💰🔫🔫💵💵💵

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  10. Les salio el tiro por la culata! Palabras del viejon!

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  11. mencho aint messing around! when have u seen chapo do this? mencho aint never getting caught hes gonna die fighting,watch!!

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    1. Of course chapo never did that how was ge gonna make money if he ambushed and killed police or shoot down helicopters But mencho is gonna die fighting or not hes going to get killed for being a dumb ass theres rules if you break the rules nobody makes money and that is when they get rid of you.

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    2. Chapo didn't have the man power only in his fake corridos. all talk no action. couldn't even take on the carillos in Juarez

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    3. Cjng fucked up most likely they are going to be disbanded by the end of the year

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    4. Mencho dint do anything its was the hitman from jalisco who did these mencho is hiding like coward typical michopuerco

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    5. Mencho has more money than CHAPO why do you think he only hid in la Sierra mencho has been seen here in el grullo people know where his house is people have seen him in Union de tvla jalisco on horse the mexican goverment is no match for mencho he has been in gun battles almost died once wounded in autlan in a shoot out and was saved by the people in el grullo that's why he loves us here he is more than welcome here!

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    6. Mencho will cry like the rest when he's captured

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    7. Commenters are right,CJNG fucked all the way up,frontin a government and downing a helicopter killing soldiers?The government hasn't even begun on these clowns.
      Mencho is dead meat whether he wants it or not..

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    8. Your a clown if you think mencho has more cash than chapo he wasn't on Forbes for no reason get off menchos nutts there going down either way

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    9. 1:43 what a hater lol

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    10. Don't belive the media they will say what they want why do you think it was a federal police thing they are under his payroll they have to present some sort of work we all know that!

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  12. So what i understand the mex gov saying is. cjng captured and killed the 3 . Throw them with a manta . Gov picks them up covers up and mex gov says sorry we mis counted and forgot to ask soldiers on board if they saw what happened to their brother in arms . but we remember noww and they told us down with the bird . And oh yeah dna says so too . Everything's okay now. Nothing to see here like police chief wiggums says . Peace LoKs

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  13. Helo's always travel in at least pairs in situations such as this with potential combat.

    So the idea of only one being shot is not likely, and the idea of two being brought down a probability.

    40 or more soldiers killed in a failed operation as this was would be a heavy cross for EPN to bear. Hence the cover up

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  14. Well, if we are 'confused", imagine what the families of those (3) are going through!! So "Bill"...do your work...be transparent!!

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  15. The aircraft had to be majorly engulfed in flames as it was plunging towards the ground.

    Soldiers did not fire on the cjng on the ground.

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  16. The govt doesn't want voters to know, they took them out..with some heavy fire power.Fire power that, most likely came from their own military.That's like getting shot with your own gun..Oh,... they did get shot with their own gun! That is something, they would not want to get leaked out, not during election time! They have supplied the bad guys, with the weapons, that can...and will, take them out! Not good.

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  17. This is works of the PRI, people listen Mexico's Partido Revoluxionario Institutional are the real enemies of Mexico. I wouldn't be surprised it was gunned down by other soldiers. Elections are around the corner PRI can't afford to loose any of the Northern states! They are about to loose Nuevo Leon, If this happens they will hire more goons to cause havoc and label them as cartels! People in Mexico are waking up and PRI-Televisa are trembling with fear that civilians will rise pretty soon, not to mention the troops with desert and join the people! PRI are a bunch of nasty politicians with greed and no love for the nation and patria!

    #Revolucion2016

    G(-)057

    Viva la Patria, Viva la Libertad, Viva Mexico!

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    1. Remenber the Masses relect them

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  18. Dirty tactics...
    What if CJNG is being set up by a rival cartel or even by the dirty ass Mex Gov? By causing all this chaos and attention in CJNG turf... I dont know I'm just saying that's too much heat out of no where! Its bad for business dont you guys think so

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    1. Is Mexico going to treat this like the murder of Cardinal Posadas 1993 by the AFO? No, they will shine it off like the 43missing...put the pressure on like you did on El Min n El Mon...those 2 grabbed a whole lot of attention after 1993.

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    2. To much heat? Out of nowhere?? You do know they just killed 15 federal cops the other week, right? So obviously they don't care about heat, and obviously it is NOT out of nowhere

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    3. The government about which shenanigans Cardinal Posadas protested, put chapo in prison instead of the arellanos, grupo atracomulco in action...

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  19. Curious....were there Americans on board? Hmmmmm - the secrecy....

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    1. The Mexican soliders are really American Navy Seals

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    2. ... Only Sometimes They Are Included ... Seals Would Have Been In Well Armed Blackhawks, Not A Wimpy Cougar ...

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    3. They are only allowed to be in mexican uniforms and use mexican wepons so I don't think it would be any good if the are us navy seals lol

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    4. us navy seals ? there killing machines balls blazing bullet nutshells.

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    5. Say whuaat ?

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  20. Not even the Italian Mafia can do what these guys did..... Mexico better start asking the US for help, this is acts of terrorism there aint no way to BULLSHIT this one.

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    1. 5:17 mexico already has the help, if acing and intromission of the US, they made the independence of the LatinAmerica and most if the banana republics to fit their ideal latinamerican society, full of servants kept in peace by American trained fed and paid gorrillas...
      -- why do you think general Pershing was in so many photos with Pancho Villa?
      And surrounded by some of the biggest WWI WWII american generals, Douglas mcArthur, Patton, etc, they were there to fuck up Porfirio Diaz for being too brittish and too European and their friend...
      --All the mexican governments have been owned by the US, including the present one...

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    2. 5:08 I love it sooo much when i make you go "... oohmp!"
      For that means a job well done, I hope you enjoyed...

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    3. Quality over quantity

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    4. Lo miro con ojos pícaros

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  21. EPN does not want to admit defeat to the Cartels...does he even sleep at night?

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    1. Like a baby, honey like a baby, his brittish bank accounts are well protected, even in case of death, nobody will touch epn's money, Omar Kadaffi and Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos would gladly testify to it...

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  22. Off topic, but amusing
    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Daughter-of-dead-Mexican-drug-cartel-kingpin-6246465.php

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  23. Is this as equal as the murder of Cardinal Posadas 1993 by CAF? If so Mexico should finish with CJNG in a decade thats whole long it took to get El Min.

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  24. What I always find interesting about Mexico is the citizens lack of interest in major events in their own country. They don't care if it ain't their own family. I have relatives in Ciudad Juarez and they don't know a damn thing that happens in Mexico. I would think if a Military helicopter got shot down in the U.S. everyone would be going nuts, but in Mexico 'ni modo' 'no pasa nada' real bizarre lack of national identity. The country is real F'd up in that sense, any thoughts? No one cares or is too scared to care.

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    1. Mexican is a clan-based society. In a clan-based society, only your family and close friends matter. You have no interest in the general civic well being of society.

      This attitude makes one more willing to treat the rest of society with disrespect and indifference. Morality is then based on how an action helps or hurts your clan, rather than on how an action affects society. This explains the cheating, corruption, and the whole mess, you find in Mexico.

      I learned long ago that if you want to know what's happening in Mexico, the worst person to ask is a Mexican. Ask a foreigner living there or a foreign journalist or expert. They study and read about what's going on in Mexico, unlike the average Mexican.

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    2. WOW A BRAINY ANALYSIS...
      so all the mexicans trying to make things right, and all the university professors and graduates of mexico are worthless POS?
      @10:57 I wonder where you learned all you know, what klan are you, because I have heard negros described in about the same terms, their vote was even 1/5 of a white vote for a while, because they were not considered one full person per head...

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    3. Well then being a 'clan based' society is bad for the nation as a whole. I always say you can point out many areas of Mexico that are almost their own separate state. More so then the usual in the southern U.S. people believe this or speak this way or eat like this and in the northen U.S. this or that, but to the extent that in Merida Yucatan they could care less about what happens with narcos in Nuevo Laredo or Chihuahua because all is good there and they are not effected. It just interests me the general disinterest, but I suppose your clan theory helps explain it. Mexico as a whole is broken, but the coasts still fill with tourists spending tons of money. Meanwhile inland and in other coastal areas there are straight up narco wars and shoot outs similar to something from Iraq or Afghanistan. Just blows me away. Wish more people would give a damn. Why isn't this news on CNN USA?? A MILITARY HELICOPTER SHOT DOWN BY NARCOS. HEAD TO CANCUN FOR BUCKETS OF BEER AND BABES!

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    4. Mexican is a klan? damn you need to lay off the meth you got seems bad dude come back to reality that meth is really messing your brain up dude.

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    5. @ 1:11 PM:

      If you can't handle "brainy analysis," stick to comic books.

      BTW, "negros" is not really politically correct these days. LOL!!

      And the three-fifth (not one-fifth) clause was put in the US Constitution by anti-slavery forces, hoping to thus dilute the political power of the slave holding states.

      That's right. The slave states wanted slaves to count for apportionment purposes, but the abolitionists insisted the slaves, who had no right to vote, not be counted or be counted as less than 1.

      D'ja follow that?

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    6. Millie you do know that was a Mex-Amer voicing an opinion,then again,you call people traitor or Malinche if you disagree,know what I mean?

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    7. i Always say the same thing 8:45am .. my fam from Zacatecas and here in the USA my parents and uncles dont give a damm about the Zs and Gulf And Chapos ... they just go to the fiestas and have no clue of the barbaric atrocities that happen in that state . also no information from news nothing no coverage .. news blackout .. i hate to say it but majority of Mexicans living in USA dont give a fuck about the ranchos they left behind ... fukd up

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    8. There is a lack of interest in the US too. Or maybe a lack of media interest. I don't watch network garbage...I mean network news, but I watched PBS news almost every night for many years. I don't recall ever seeing a story on Mexican violence. I'll bet our office assistant who just got back from Mexico a few weeks ago has no knowledge of this incident. When I started posting about it on a Texas forum to raise awareness my posts were deleted. Out of sight, out of mind

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    9. @ 8:21 PM.

      Not quite as innocent as you think.

      Many liberals in the US media and ex-pats in Mexico have a financial interest in Mexico and downplay Mexican lawlessness. And they'll call you an anti-immigrant Nazi if you point to the facts.

      You think you're trying to help by reporting the truth, but they don't want to hear that.

      They're closed-minded and insular, only protecting their pet liberal causes or their economic interests.

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    10. All over the US, MSM knows to self censure, in mexico, it is Plata o plomo self censure, no prom, we can handle it now on the web.
      --Dear malinche turned pocahontas, I am not bought by mexican americans to support stupidity because of national or racial "brutherhoodism"...
      --Unlike you, you who has been traumatized by all the confleis this country has given you and feel like you owe a lot of ass kissing to it...
      --you are wrong pocahontas, this country does not need any ass kissing from any ass kisser, what the US needs is MEN who can handle the truth, not brainwashed robots who can quickly sink to the level of brainy 1/3 class 1/5 raters, I pass...

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    11. Deleted posts may mean you deliberately posted material in contravention of blog rules and wishes.But you already knew this?

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    12. Deleted little brains can't be helped, that is worse than one or two posts on the garbage, still a lot more posts do not get deleted, so there...
      I think somebody loves me at BB, thanks...

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    13. BB you really have to do something about this crazy troll

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    14. My family lives in chihuahua and all they focus on is there lives they dont really watch the news and worry about whats happing because "la vida es muy corta para preocuparse"

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  25. Take to account that Americans can go into Mexico armed. CJNG was posterd as the richest cartel now active. With original leaders all at large. Killing 15 FP before this event happened. Acting as a paramilitary in some form. This is CIA playing both sides. When the numbers don't add up from the beginning its cause they are still making them up. Viva Villa! Y su Revolucion! Fuck the rest!

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    1. No cuinis got captured so did el guero

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  26. Can someone explain why military helo's fly in pairs or even 3? I live in the DFW Texas area, I usually see military of helicopters flying around. Almost always in pairs.

    But the same was true when I lived by Laughlin airforce base.

    anyone know?

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    1. Practicing flight patterns there are always two flying in a staggered formation

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    2. In the military everyone has a battle buddy. Should 1 get hurt the other can render aid or seek help. Hence pairs of 2 or more. El Soldado Perdido

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  27. Mexico is trying to use the same lying tactics that the US uses except they dont know how to..

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    1. Mexican lying tactics, like america's do not live forever...

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  28. for what they cant do nothing to the cartels they are more powerful than the cartels.

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  29. can you imagine a military helicopter being shot down and military personnel killed in a country like America, England, China, or France by a criminal organization and not one god damn thing done about it?

    nope. only in mexico. but hey, at least EPN and his wife have their mansions and overseas bank accounts.

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  30. If a somali could take down a blackhawk with an rpg why cant a mexican?? Think about that gringos

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    1. 'Think about that gringos'
      Why did you say that?What has this to do with any other country?
      It perpetuates the idiotic antagonism and is just negative?Think

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    2. If the US pays the mexican governing narco-mierdocracia 4 billion dollars and two CIA planes loaded with about 9 tons of cocaine to open the door to their private military, it is clear that there is a gringo intromission there, isn't it clear enough to you? From Op.Mayan Jaguar to the Mierda Accords, the path is all full of popó...

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    3. The narcomierdocracy of the gob and its neer do well compadres the gringos will overstep the mark--foreign usurpers of Mexico will come back for more--but the googly goo gringos and Slim will still have holiday homes in various sundry places.the mierda accords see to that..

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    4. There are very nasty things that can be done about money and the moneyed, that is step two, and no, socialism or communism is not among them...

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  31. Does anybody know why CJNG starting a war with Mex army & FP? You think because they captured "El Cuini" ?

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  32. another first rate reporting effort BB-Thank You from Torreón

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  33. El Senor M1 El Ondeado took out one helicopter .Also el Fantasma took out another helicopter nothing new . Even in Somalia the Skinnies took out a Delta Force helicopter what is the big deal
    RIP to the soldiers

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    1. el ondeado and el fantasma didn't take down a plane lol

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  34. I have family in that area, apparently people are saying that the army killed will over 40 people in one place, while el mencho got away. my cousins say that CNGJ lost over 100 people.

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    1. Was it mostly about making sure Ell Mencho get away?They wil go all out to get him no matter where he goes

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    2. 3:18 it is like the mexican army will murder anybody...
      I do not think the real criminals were there waiting to be arrested.
      •••read: Mike Whitney "Is the CIA behind mexico's bloody drug war?"/truth11
      For a little enlightenment...

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  35. As a former helicopter pilot I can say with confidence it sounds odd. If the RPG had hit the tail rotor it is very unlikely that the helicopter would be in flames going down. Those are European military helicopters that are a) armored and b) engineered to keep an explosion on the tail have minimal impact outside of the tail boom.

    A tail rotor failure causes the torque from the main blades to run wild and lose yaw control, not explode. The helicopter would have had to enter an autorotation then reengage the engine to the blades right before impact and lower the throttle to counter act the torque. That process would have been limited to the main blades and engine which are separate from the tail section. All depends on what they mean by inflames when going down. I am not sure what did it, that guy may have just had really lucky shot.

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    1. thanks for weighing in!
      I saw an unconfirmed photo which was supposed to be the helicopter after being hit. there were multiple impacts, all at the tail section.

      In the foto, if real, the fire and impact hole was not on the tail boom, it was about a third forward and near the belly. a stream of flames shoots back from there and some smoke but it was not entangled. I don't think the government is saying it blew up or denigrated. But the foto looked like it could match what little of the details shared.

      I wonder since there was a pair of cougars at the same site why neither returned gunfire. What are you thoughts?

      Most people are of the op that everyone on board was killed. the government are not afraid of experts discounting their "facts", they are appealing to people who vote.

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    2. The rocket launcher on the van in the photo above is not an RPG. It's a LAW or Light Anti-tank Weapon. The RPG originated from the former Soviet Union and the LAW is from the USA.

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    3. Es verdad. But, as a former pilot you also know that autorotation is not successful at low altitudes. The descriptions to me seem to describe an aircraft that would not of had sufficient altitude to successfully reengage the engine to the blades. I'm thinking 'lucky shot' and creative storytelling. ' Don't worry about the round that has your name on it, worry only about the round that has to whom it may concern'. Paz. K.O.

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    4. Also, meant to dido the fact that the weapon pictured is a U.S. L.A.W.(throw away/light anti-tank weapon) and can pierce up to 11 inches of solid steel armor with a shape charge. So, the RPG 22 and the 'throw away' LAW are very different weapons. Again, is this a prearranged script or just profound ignorance on the part of the big hats. Who's behind the curtain? Regardless, autorotation at low altitude is not a survivable option. K.O.

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    5. I agree on pushing the envelop would have made an autorotation impossible. It happens in military operations or in my experiences, pushy executives trying to recreate Apocalypse Now. I don't know what their altitude and speed were, but if it was shadowing the convoy probably wasn't going fast enough to auto-rotate at that low of an altitude.

      I don't know about the other Cougars and I am wonder if they were armed. Some of that damage was probably sustained during the crash and some other explosions from small arms ammunition and fuel.

      A manpad would have most likely disintegrated the helicopter and the rotor mast would have had more impact, from what I have heard. I have never flown for the military so this is pure speculation on my part.

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  36. Depends. armed choppers take les passenger's due to the weight of the munitions, normally they would not have both. Due to the fact the armed chopper is covering the transports.

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  37. When has the president ever seen combat?
    To be a soldier in Mexico is a random draft.
    Most of the soldiers have more dignity integrity loyalty and patriotism than any currupt dishonest government official they have to take orders from.They should see that and I guess thats why many take the bribe. So when I see an excerpt from a dialoge in an article refering to CJNG as cowards it angers me that the real cowards are the ones giving orders, who would either go into shock or simply forget all basic training if they had to see combat on this level. They should just take the bribe and keep their side of the deal. Or never take the bribe and remai loyalto their countries welfare and oath they took.

    CJNG- If EPN really starts focusing on them it has to do with his anus being a receptive opening for the long arm of the united states law to manipulate him like the puppet he is. It is his wife that likely had the political connections through her family. Its the typical thing that occurs way too often. Government helps a cartel, government learns the inner workings rather well ,the cartel is then targeted and dismantled or handicapped. If anything the only times CJNG has been guilty of any thing againat citizens is the sad case of balas perdidas and arson in narco blockades situations. As fucked up as that is when La Resistencia appeared they were going to businesses and claiming to be "El cartel de Jalisco" and extortioning them, that was untill CJNG caught wind. So yeah CJNG are Narcos but they don't heckle the armed forces unless provoked. Neither do they aspart of their method of operation extort civilians or damage their property. Except in shoot outs while actually that may increase now. I don't doubt if the the government set CJNG up.

    Why does it matter if civilians take arms against criminals ? Is it because those criminals have pacted bribes with officials and thus could expose the true criminals? The currupt appointed government officials?

    Liberen a Mireles Valverde! Ese senor si les dio gane a todos esos narcos que no quieren topar contra civiles armados. No mas se sienten que andan chingando cuando estan en bola contra los que no se pueden defender. Por eso los narcos le tuvieron que besar los testiculos a el gobierno para que esos politicos curruptos se chingen mas a la cuididania. Los narcos y politicos van a gozar de todos modos.

    Si vas a andar trabajando as lo bien. That goes for the government and narcos.
    Narcos dont mess with the people.
    Officials dont mess with the people.

    Its that simple.

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  38. There bringing in the real heavy artillery now cjng better be ready and by the looks I don't think rpgs and 50.cals are going to be able to go through this heavy stuff.

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    1. ... Wow, Are They Coming With Something Armored With At Least 18-20" Thick Walls?... Lots Of Rpg's Are In Mexico As They Are Shipped Via Containers Along With Chinese Ak-47's ... Sure Some U.S. Weapons Will Be Used In Mexico As The United States Arms Other Countries Legally, Then The Weapons Are Stolen And Sold Off To Arms Dealers Who Handle The Logistics ... Old Borris From Russia

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  39. The only problem with heavy artillery is that it's not very effective in urban scenarios. Remember that this isn't a battle field. The cartel is using guerrilla tactics against the government.

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  40. 3 of the government scapegoats have been released from jail. At this point I'm almost sure that the rest of those arrested were not involved and were just picked up at random.
    http://movil.informador.com.mx/jalisco/2015/590811/6/liberan-a-tres-detenidos-por-hechos-violentos-en-jalisco.htm

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    1. Could be. The real story from Jalisco today is that the federal government is firing ALL federales and state cops (Mencho's guys) and sending in the military and other forces.

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  41. This pissed-off a lot of people. EPN has huevos al cara. The commandante is apenado. He may get fired so politicos save face. What I am most afraid of are massacres from soldados and the SSP. It will be so easy to make a mistake. It happens in war all the time. Pobrecitos Mexicanos Chingados.

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  42. Yall know ex chief police leyzaola of tijuana and juarez just got whacked

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