Thursday, September 18, 2014

Woman witnesses teen daughter killed by army, one of 22 who were killed after surrendering


A woman said she witnessed when Mexican soldiers shot and killed her 15 year old daughter, after a confrontation with suspected criminals, even though the unarmed teenager lay wounded on the ground.

The mother said that 20 other youths were also killed by soldiers in Tlatlaya, State of Mexico, near the border with Guerrero, after they had surrendered and were unarmed. 

The woman spoke to The Associated Press last weekend but did not want to be identified for fear of reprisals. The army had not responded to the accusations on Thursday.

The Mexican government has kept the story quiet, reporting that all were killed during a shootout,  in the early hours of June 30.

The Mexican government has maintained that those killed on the early morning of June 30 died in a fierce shootout with security forces, a version that raised questions because government troops suffered only one wounded, and physical evidence at the scene pointed toward more targeted killings 

The witness said the army fired first at the armed group, which was in a warehouse that stored grains. She said a gunman was killed in the initial shooting and another gunman, alleged member of the drug gang, and her teen daughter were injured.

They surrendered after assurances
The rest of the men surrendered with the promise that their physical integrity would be respected, said the witness who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.

After the surrender, teen Erika Gómez González, lying prone on the ground, because of a bullet impact to her knee.  The soldiers turned her body over, seeing she was still alive, and then shot her a half dozen more times in the chest, before turning her face down once again.

Then the man wounded in the initial shooting, who lay beside Erika, suffered the same fate, according to the witness.

The soldiers interrogated the remaining people in front of the warehouse, and then took them inside one at a time, said the witness. From where I was watching, just outside the warehouse, the witness heard the shots and groans of the dying.
Little evidence of a shootout
A week after the death of the 22, reporters from The Associated Press visited and took pictures of the warehouse where the bodies were found and found little evidence that a prolonged shooting had occurred. There were few marking  of shots and no caps as one would typically expect to see in a shootout where 22 people were killed.

At least five points of the interior walls showed the same pattern: one or two bullet marks surrounded by a splatter of blood, giving the appearance that most of the victims were made to stand against the wall, when receive one or two shots, execution style.  

Version of the government

After the AP story broke, the Attorney General of Mexico issued a statement in which he said that "there is no indication of an execution" and evidence was present of  crossfire.

As or the state government, they refused to release the autopsy reports to AP, after a request for information was brought, protected by the Mexican transparency law, and reclassified the  documents to the category of state classified information.  They will remain sealed for the next nine years.

Faced with a similar request in July, the Attorney General's Office then said there were no autopsies.

Interviewed separately, relatives of three other victims and a physician who saw the body of Erika said they saw the wounds were consistent with the account of the mother of the teenager regarding the way she was killed. She had said that the soldiers shot to incapacitate suspected criminals first and then shot them in the chest to kill them.  All of the 22 were killed by multiple gunshots to the chest.

The death certificate of Erika, who was seen by AP reporters, confirmed that the girl died on June 30, 2014 in San Pedro Limon, where the killings took place, death was from gunshots. The certificate does not offer details about the ballistic or the type of weapon used.

On the two tombstones of deceased brothers, Marcos Burgos Salgado, 20, Juan Salgado José Burgos, 18, recorded as the date of death June 30.

A person in the nearby town of Ixcapuzalco, said his older brother was part of the killings and the number was 22.  


Note The number of 22 is correct, at the time of the killings, on July 1, authorities released this "22 suspected criminals killed yesterday by the Department of Defense.3 women, kidnapping victims, were rescued"-  In a press release, the headquarters of Military Zone 22 of the Secretariat of National Defense (Department of Defense) announced that 22 people were killed, 1 woman and 21 men,  during a clash with an armed group near the village Cuadrilla Nueva, in the town of Tlatlaya;


The Department of Defense reported that "were released three women who said they were deprived of their liberty by the armed group." in other reports they referred to the 22 as dangerous sicarios (hit-men).


The shooting was initiated by the army
The mother of Erika reports the shooting on June 30 was initiated by the military, in violation of their own rules of engagement, which  only allow troops to fire on armed civilians only if they shoot first or if the life of military personnel or civilians are at risk.

The Ministry of Defense did not respond to a request for comment on the accusations of family.

The Attorney General's Office said there is an open investigation into the incident, but so far has found no evidence to corroborate the statements of the witness, whose version was first reported by,  Esquire Latin America.


The mother spoke a few days ago in anger over the death of her daughter and still exhibiting signs of trauma and shock. He said he spent a sleepless night sitting on a pile of bricks when she came to the community on June 29 to try to take her daughter who had escaped.

She said she spent a sleepless night sitting on a pile of bricks on June 29 the day before the shooting, arriving to retrieve her runaway daughter. 

The girl recently became involved with the wrong crowd, she said. The group had traveled from the town of Arcelia in Guerrero state to nearby San Pedro Limon in three pickups with guns. All were teenagers or in their early 20s. Little is known about what the gang was doing or had been doing in the days before the shootings. 

Local officials said Arcelia is controlled by the La Familia Michoacán cartel,  which was displaced from  Michoacán state, where it was founded and now controls parts of the impoverished Tierra Caliente, or hot land, in neighboring Guerrero. The local head of the organization known as "El Pez",  who controlled areas between San Pedro and Arcelia Limón, located in an area known as Tierra Caliente.


Note: -La Prensa and other media in the region reported the day after the killings they were a gang who worked for "Gue­rre­ros Uni­dos"-

Drug trafficking and conflicts with the military have occurred there for decades. Some farmers grow and traffic marijuana and poppies for opium, and violence is common. 

Recently, supporters of the gang blocked roads and burned four Coca Cola trucks, leading the soft drink company to close  its distribution center in Arcelia. Local journalists say they have been threatened for publishing stories the drug cartel didn't like.

Reporters under surveillance from “both sides” the issue
There is no clarity on why the AP was allowed to report and investigate  freely in the area. because the story is not favorable to the army.  But members of the criminal gang apparently closely monitored the AP journalists when they visited the region.

During the interview with the mother of a girl who was found dead, while she was being interviewed in a parking lot,  a young man appeared at the site, he leaned against a pickup truck and stood staring at reporters until they left the scene.


While the AP reporters were in the region,  members of the Mexican navy followed them, took photographs of them and their identifications and interviewed them.

Recalling the morning of her daughter's death, the mother said confusion broke out inside the warehouse before dawn when one of the young gunmen appeared, shouting, "They're on us!" 

Troops from the Mexican army's 22nd military zone were on patrol. Soldiers trained a spotlight on the warehouse and opened fire on those inside, she said. 

After the initial exchange of gunfire, soldiers shouted to those inside, saying would respect their lives, and would not harm them, if they surrendered. They walked out with their hands on the back of their necks, she said. 

The soldiers took the witness, two other women and two young men who said they were  kidnap victims to a semi-enclosed room at one side of the entrance to the warehouse. 

From there, under soldiers' custody, the woman could only catch glimpses of what was happening inside 

"I was afraid to see too much," she said, noting some of the detainees were shot standing, some were kneeling. 

After a couple of hours, the two men who had claimed to be kidnap victim were separated from the three women, taken off by soldiers and shot, apparently because they did not believe their claims, she said. 

The army said in its initial press release that soldiers rescued three women who were kidnap victims. The mother says she was one of three women taken by the army to the Mexico state capital, Toluca, and turned over to a state prosecutors' agent. The other two women were promptly arrested and are still in custody. 

The mother said she was photographed next to the guns confiscated from the gang and told she too would be arrested if she didn't cooperate with authorities and confirm their version of events. She said she did not know the agent's name, but described her as a tall woman with short cropped hair who was constantly holding a cigarette. She was later taken to the federal attorney general's organized crime unit in Mexico City, and finally released with no charges.

Human Rights Watch-became involved
1. Will the unexplained deaths of 22 people in the State of Mexico the beginning of a period of terror against the civilian population ?,  asks  Human Rights Watch  Organization to resume  its investigation, to determine if the   confrontation  on June 30 among a large group of alleged criminals and Mexican Army troops.

2.-The official version, embodied in a statement that does not exist on the website of the Ministry of National Defense (Department of Defense), stated, according to news agencies, that "military personnel on a tour in a community Tlatlaya, a municipality in the southern state of Mexico when located a warehouse guarded by armed men who attacked the soldiers.

"The agency added that repelled the attack that left 21 males dead and one female, and a wounded soldier. Three women were released who said they had been kidnapped.

"The military claims to have seized 25 rifles. 13 short, one fragmentation Granada and 112 chargers after confrontation. "

3.  Human Rights Watch  addressed the issue in a lengthy statement dated August 22 , which first insists that the Mexican government to investigate what happened in Tlatlaya, State of Mexico, and that the investigation is fair and effective.

In short, the official version is insufficient and does not involve any real research  to the  possibility  the Mexican Army killings was  not as the result of a confrontation.

"Almost two months have passed since a group of soldiers killed 22 civilians in Tlatlaya, and there are still more questions than answers about what really happened that day," said José Miguel Vivanco, Americas director at Human Rights Watch .

"There must - and is required by law - to carryout a comprehensive, objective and independent investigation to analyze whether the soldiers acted lawfully, and that valued ​​evidence  suggests that the authorities had acted improperly," reads a statement of the HRW.

"The use of force must only be considered in "self-defense" when its purpose is to repel "a real aggression or the threat". "To formally recognize these principles into new legislation is not enough," said Vivanco. "Now the government must demonstrate that Peña Nieto proposes to seriously ensure that these principles are respected by the military, and investigate thoroughly, cases where it is suspected that they have not."

4. Versions of the Department of Defense and the Mexican governor  Eruviel Ávila  argues that the military were attacked while they were patrolling near a winery.

However, the research establishes by AP reporters is that the bodies of 22 people were inside the warehouse, showing shots at close range, that blood stains and splatters  all happened inside and not around the warehouse and there was no sign that there was  shootout between civilians and military.

5. Recalling that the Office of the United Nations Human Rights (OHCHR) High Commissioner also visited the site and documented the case, HRW said "Associated Press reported that two members had said that OHCHR found no signs of stray bullets as they should have if they had left the soldiers fired their automatic weapons from a distance. "

6.  Human Rights Watch, an American organization that enjoys high international prestige and has repeatedly pointed out the excesses of military, marine and  handling the case and takes it to a level that the government of  Enrique Peña Nieto  can no longer ignore.

The matter escalated from a couple of official versions to a disturbing investigative report and finally the delivery of  Human Rights Watch  declaration  asking the federal government to stop turning a blind eye to what happened and take action on the matter.

Peña Nieto and colleagues should abandon the party and set aside the happy and patriotic image of armed forces which are a far cry from  the requirement of respect for human rights.


Sources: Esquire Latin America, La Prensa, Animal Politico-La Silla Rota

120 comments:

  1. Unfortunately for the deceased, drug dealing, extortionist, kidnapping, gang members are not a sympathetic lot in Mexico...

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    1. Also unfortunately the mother who wished not to be identified was immediately identified as the victims family

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  2. The military will not be investigated, they have never been investigated, their motherland's depends will cover again her dutiful children like what they are:
    UNOS HIJOS DE SU PUTA MADRE!

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  3. I'm sorry, but Mexico is full of roaches. People there have no sense of morality. Let them kill themselves. Why should any of us care when they don't do anything to help themselves?

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    1. So is da place you r from idiot!!! Theyre everywhere...

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    2. If the situation of violence in mexico was in another part of the eastern hemisphere, they would all be refuged of war in to America. But a America loves the fact Mexicans are killing each other and the rest they will be incarcerated. Real spit. America helps with smuggle guns and drugs and blames cartels.

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    3. The bad part of it is that these racist idiots are not even white, these idiots are racists on their own race.

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    4. What a ignorant statement fuck your sorry

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    5. To those who have replied, you all have a right to your opinion and to express it however you want. But there's no good reason to respond to this kind of ignorance. Either this person really believes what they're saying in which case there's no sensible argument against stupidity; or they're trolling in order to get a rise out of people who are passionate about this subject, but that's just my opinion.

      On another note there's no simple solution to this problem almost a century in the making. Decades of corruption, ineptitude, and cronyism will not be solved by those responsible for the situation the country finds itself in. How is it that we demand governments overseas to be transparent, inclusive, and accountable to their citizens but when it comes to our neighbor to the south the us govt is silent? Just this year 2 CIA agents along with a Mexican naval officer were targeted and wounded by mexican feds, the marine being held in a Mexican jail, the us won't even demand justice for its own citizens why would it demand justice for Mexicans. Really makes one wonder.

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  4. About time some one talks about all the evil shit the military does over there they've been killing innocent people for years just that nobody has had the balls to say anything or anybody that did would be classified as a narco

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  5. Good kill them all.
    They kidnap and kill innocent ppl without any remorse so who cares,god riddance

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  6. Don't kidnap then.

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  7. Every time you read an article about a shootout the first thing they say is they shot at us. Imagine how many times they have done this.

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  8. sad and frustrating at the same time. the teens were probably street kids or coerced into working the kidnapping gang for GU. That is what happens in that part of Mexico.

    They even kidnap kids and force them into criminal activity. They did not start the shooting, they gave up quickly, they were scared kids. I saw that even the local populations were pissed.

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  9. It would be easy to say good riddance, but I would not want a soldier being my judge. The soldiers were not in danger, there was a quick surrender.

    We don't even know the story of the teens. How stupid they killed them without getting the story and information about those they work with. This "social cleansing happens quite a bit in Mexico. and don't kid yourself that is what it is. AND the three that said they had been kidnapped? imagine if they had been? and those assholes were the judge/jury for them as well. "tey didn't believe them" no proof either way, don't wait to investigate, just kill them on a hunch. Mexico is fucked up on so many levels.

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  10. From the evidence as presented, the soldiers wanted target practice and slaughtered 22 teens and young people without benefit of a trial.

    the young people may have very well been kidnapped and forced into working for cartels. LFM is the cartel who created that method of recruit. but the point is they were never accused of killing anyone, they did not kill even one soldier, they did not begin the shootout, they disarmed themselves and surrendered with hand clasped behind their necks, after the soldiers promised they would not be harmed. and then they were gunned down.

    that is wrong. it is not ok in any civil society. and cannot be tolerated. a fair investigation and if warranted. a trial is the proper place to determine guilt or what punishment, if any should befall anyone suspected of crimes or unlawful behavior, weather is is in Ferguson Mo or Edomex. Emotions must be in check.

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    1. Sorry, still no sympathy from me. I'm not saying it's right. If it was a house full of avocados instead of weapons it would be different.

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    2. They plant weapons all the time look at what happened to Dr. M.

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  11. Mexico justice system is too murky and contradictory too really understand what happened with this incident. Most likely, the truth is a combination of both sides of the engagement. Too young to die, too ignorant to know any better. Probably should have listened to that grieving mother who most likely repeatedly told her daughter to stay home. Two or three probably needed killing but 22 is overkill.

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  12. I don't believe nor trust anyone in Mexico anymore. If there are no witnesses other than the mother of the victims what's to say she's not lying to protect the integrity of the victims? As the saying goes "people don't get killed for being good choir singers" those kids must have been up to something unlawful but I guess only those that were there will ever know the real truth.

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  13. the military are criminals just like everyone else. a eye for an eye if that was my daughter you would be seeing a video of me playing soccer with the militarys head idgaf who did it.

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  14. Sep 18, 2014 at 6:14PM
    If you think like this, you have a serious ethnocentrism problem. Every and I mean every country is full of roaches, but it does not mean all of their citizens are like that. You really don't think the U.S. is also full of corrupt, unmoral, power abusing, trigger happy, psychotic, murderous roaches? FYI look around the web in credible sites, and do a little bit of research before writing something so closed-minded. You can find information on hundreds, if not thousands of cases where innocent people have been murdered for no reason by federal agents, border patrol, local police and even U.S. military when "serving" in other countries such as Iraq or Afghanistan. You got to be very ignorant to believe only other countries such as Mexico, Colombia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Cuba, Peru, Brazil, Russia, China, Israel and every African and Middle Eastern Country has this problem and only the U.S. does not. A tip from me to you, do not believe everything the media and government tries to feed to you. You gotta think outside the box and do not rely on getting your information from these two sources only. You cannot blame 100% of the population, for the actions of only 1% of the population.

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    1. This story occurred in Mexico not in the US so stop talking about the US. You have some sort of fetish for Americans or American culture. You are completely obsessed with comparing the US and Mexico. You are terrific at spinning the discussion to target the US in your rant. You remind me of a stereotypical politician who actually never answers a question and deflects from the real issue. I bet you will have a promising career in politics if you chose that line of work.

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    2. Terrific at spinning, he is not from the Fox news channel!

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    3. We are all Americans, America is a continent not a country.

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    4. 3:56 are you one of the idiots that believes your govt that area 51 does not exist. I am not calling you stupid your govt is!

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    5. 3:56 high little girl!

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    6. I am higher than you will ever be 9:01. I will be always looking down at you from my pedestal. How does living in the trenches and sewers feel? I wouldn't know and I will never know. I'm a fallen angel. Believe dat!!!

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  15. at 8:36 the mothers testimony came later, everyone was asking question immediately after the killings. if you are going to be so narrow minded at least try and educate yourself as to what the facts are and no zero in on one fact.

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  16. This is a complicated issue but the way to fix this problem is with the death sentence. I can understand the frustration of the military thinking that if they take them in to jail they will be out again soon to kidnap more innocent people but in no way should the military take matters into their own hands and kill these kids. They should be trail in court because alot of them are forced to do this and are also innocent and the leaders and the ones found guilty should pay with death sentence and or life in prison.

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  17. Awe, quit living in a state of denial. Mexico is not the same as it used to be. Many people and including many young kids are out trying to imitate the cartels committing crimes and trying to make a quick buck. Getting to the point too many kids don't care about an education and don't want to work.
    I just can't believe someone would just go kill 22 innocent kids for the hell of it. There's more to this story than what is being told.

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    1. If your family got killed would you believe then!

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  18. Throughout the history of Mexico, specifically under PRI domination, there has been many atrocities committed by the armed forces of Mx. especially against unarmed civilians who didn't walk the party line. If these cartel sicarios decided to lay down there arms, then the Sedena soldiers needed to have turned over the hitmen to the proper police authorities to face charges for the crimes they committed. Under no circumstances should the soldiers be judge, jury, and executioners once they capture cartel gunmen alive, especially once they surrender. They needed to have given them due process in the rule of law. If anybody will recall from watching the video on the takedown of El Botas Blancas, you will notice that that 2 women and 1 man were captured alive. The man captured alive was not one of ABL's hitmen since he survived the shootout and was not interested in drying for him like his hitmen were. However, the man was severely beaten by the marinos. I guess if somebody was trying to kill you, most people would probably want to beat-up the person, or persons - or even kill them.

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    1. But if you capture them alive they can snitch like chupo and gather information from them!

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  19. It DOESN"T matter what the witness says...what matters is the indisputable facts.
    22 dead and not 1 soldier.
    5 areas of killings as victims were against the wall
    no evidence of shooting from the warehouse outwardly
    no evidence of a shootout
    all victims shot 2-5 bullets in the chest

    those are the things that are important-this was murder by the army and it is not an uncommon occurrence.

    in Tamaulipas cartels are also taking young teens off the buses and forcing them into kidnapping cells. it is in the reforma newspaper todays edition. in the article of renaldo leon captured in tabasco

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    1. Repent your sins the day of the lord will soon be upon you people and mother Mary will not help you Jesus is the only answer to the mess in Mexico

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  20. Hard to tell what really happened other than the fact that 22 young souls are not on this earth anymore. Of course the mother would say her daughter gave up/surrendered, etc, if she was there how on earth she did not do anything, I would have died trying to do something. And last of course there might be little evidence of a fight, inexperienced kids with guns vs trained military is not even going to be a fight. The sad part is that even if it was true kids still look for ways to join different cartels for the supposed to be easy money. Heck the mother even admitted her daughter was hanging out with the wrong crowd...

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  21. Chivis - do the kidnapped get a fair trial? Do the innocent people of Michoacan get a fair trial?

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  22. MY-LAI MASSACRE-after millions of dollars worth of investigation and prosecution, the US soldiers that committed that "war crime" were not prosecutted.
    --the US army still denies it happened...
    --2nd lt william laws calley,"rusty" said he was following orders,"stupidly"...
    --capt ernest medina denies his ordering the massacre(and took good care that he was not going to be there, witnesses and everything,point #1)...
    --President nixxon padroned lt calley...
    --climaterium specialists after much self-examination and introspection declares it was the vietnamese's fault for looking like poor illiterate viet-cong and failing to take responsibility for themselves by not growing "a pair", according to his grannies' parachutting parasail...
    --Looks like massacres and mass murders are still the law of the land, with heapping mounds of official impunity
    --from the modern way of war methods, from the nazis to my-lai, and pinochet's and the argentina's junta, and governor pena nieto, luis echeverria and diaz ordaz halconazos, that prequalified them for the presidency.
    --Forensic science will find a lot of wrongdoing there...
    --and the human rights commissions will find themselves a toothless tiger once again

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  23. I'm sure the kidnappers were planted for the military to make pointz.
    In cd juarez, the DFS in the 70's used to recruit young people for the 23 de septiembre league, and after arduous investigations, locate them, after taking the money from a few bank robberies and kill them, one woman was shot while running out of her house with her baby in one arm and the MADERA flyer the league used to print, in her raised hand, a very dangerous weapon from the revolutionary epicenter where they used to mimeograph the MADERA rag.
    --You can find that revolutionary paper in the web now, again, if you want...
    --And the results of DFS greed and drug trafficking all over chihuahua as all over the country, no matter the name or the president or the year...

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  24. This is for those people that say "Shoot them all"... and "kill them where they stand." This is why they should get arrested. The peoples family who endured this will not hesitate to seek revenge. Even if it means joining the ranks of organized criminals..

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  25. Of course she always will blame somebody else, not her child.

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  26. I don't think there is any doubt that these young people were murdered.It strikes me as so sad.2 young brothers,20 year old girl,mostly young people,yes,they were up to no good,but,the army or whoever are not employed to summarily kill anyone they feel like?Why have police,courts,security,laws?You see the question on BB"why do they fire on military"this is why they fire on military.
    They surrendered and then were lined up and killed.Where on earth can we condone shit like that..

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    1. I wouldn't doubt that the soldiers, except for their superiors, were about the same ages as the cartel members they massacred.

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  27. Sad story,all them children of mothers now gone,and the mothers just have to get on with it.A brother has to watch and hear his brother being killed?I could never even imagine it...There are always two sides but its just sad..

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  28. I wonder who they guy was who killed the girl?Wonder if he has any daughters?
    He must feel so proud of the job he's doing.

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  29. The mexican army is not guilty because there is nowhere the proven intent to kill all those ugly kidnappers narcorevolutionaries due to racism.
    --Now that the judicial powers have taken the prosecution of military crimes against civilians by law, from the militaru courts, they will still have the burden of proving that there was a crime committed there, and that the military are guilty, committed it, and planned it, in cahoots with the narcs themselves, to show work...no matter how sloppy, as the evidence shows, amateur criminals, but still criminals, like all the politicians that employ them...

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  30. these children were executed. Where's the outrage??!!

    But you Mexicans keep comlaining in social media about Miley Cyrus disrespecting the Mexican flag...it's none of my business tho...

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    1. Would you complain if Miley Cyrus had disrespected the Stars and Stripes? Probably not. What about the 33 killed in Virginia Tech? Did you complain?

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    2. Miley Cyrus should be banned from Mex and the US.

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  31. If you can't give the police or military any benefit of the doubt, then fighting to the death is the only way to survive. It's things like this that escalate violence. Keeping the peace is a fantasy, as is the rule of law.

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  32. yeah, everybody here was applauding the soldiers killing these people. Most people are sheep!! They believe everything their masters tell them so they go along with the lie for fear of having to face reality. Scared little bitches is what most people on this forum are.

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  33. Without the mother's testimony, the EVIDENCE shows what was done and under what circumstances, it is not the first time this happens, in the MY-LAI massacre, the US army massacred from 300 to 550 civilians, the US government reported only 90 civilian viet-cong and 30 non-civilian viet-cong, killed, and covered up all they could, never prosecuted the soldiers guilty of the raping and murdering of little girls and women, or of the murdering of all that people, only three weapons were said to have been recovered, about the same quantity of weapons planted on Dr Mireles... puros cuatros con tres pistolas.
    Oliver stone the great film maker only shows one rape, because americans can't handle the truth, definitely...platoon

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    1. You go and tell Lt. Willam Kelly that he is a rapist. You don't know what really happened. But the Huey door gunner that held these guys at bay with his M60 still leaves in Florida, the slick pilot died 8 years ago. Lt. Kelly like Captain Miranda were just following orders. My Lai was supposed to be a farmers village, but they had weapons for a whole battalion, the farmers were nothing but VC.

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    2. 10:53 yeah right!

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    3. Lt. William Calley, 1st Bn 20th Infantry Regiment.

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    4. 3:18 pm yeah! I served in Nam,.did you?
      I came back after the Tet offensive, what about you! If you didn't go, then you don't know, so shut up!

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    5. So you were one of the murderer and rapist?

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  34. Black squads for social cleansing has occurred for a decade. soldiers will determine who should be killed, in sasabe Sonora a group of more the 40 were killed

    it is natural to want to off bad people, but reasonable people will overcome that initial reaction and reasonable minds prevail. seeing that to do so makes society criminals. they must endure the judicial process, the goal is truth, and justice. we must treat all people alike to what we would expect and want for ourselves and our loved ones

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  35. the army's list of weapons and circumstances has changed over the months

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  36. I don't understand why so many people keep bringing up America in the comment section. This is a Mexican issue, not an American one.

    My thoughts and prayers go out to the families who lost their sons in this incident. Hopefully they will get justice.

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    1. This is an American issue the drugs from South America are headed to the US not mex. You see a lot of these comments b/c white/ mex racist comment on the ppl of mex not the cartels.

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    2. 3:29 you are the reason these things occur. Your mentality and how you perceive things are at fault. The same attitude was shown by the Germans who did nothing about hitler. They looked the other way and flat out said "it's not my problem it's their problem". Look in the mirror and tell me what you see. A patriot or a coward?

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    3. Me a patriot you a coward!

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    4. @10:47 You are a punkass wannabe patriot. All the Mexican patriots are either dead or illegally incarcerated. You are neither one of them. My bloodline doesn't raise cowards. We are winners not whiners. I'm very confident my 13 year old daughter could take you. Lol!!!! Cream puff

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    5. 3:18 like I said me a patriot, you a coward.

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    6. Hahaha nice come back 9:06. Not!!! No worries though. I'm still on top.

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  37. she shouldn't of been involved in that, you pay the price.. unfortunately it was blood. mexico is a bad country.. deaths everyday,kidnapoings,rape.. can we just nuke mexico already?

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    1. The Russians are going to nuke the US idiot!

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    2. Most stupid comment in the post nominee.... México is a bad country,..

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    3. Does mex invade countries for oil no, US is just as bad or worse.

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    4. The Mexican military can't barely beat the narcos. They couldn't last in a war.

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    5. You are wrong we can wipe them out but we need the billions from your addicts.

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  38. the mother admitted her kid hung out with a bad crowd
    bad crowds are what are ruining the quality of life for everyone across the globe be it mexico, the us, or thailand
    most of the folks upset at the military have not had to live in constant fear of having their home burglarized, or getting mugged on the way to to the store, or getting raped in an alley, by that " bad crowd"
    if they have, and don't have God in their lives, its perfectly understandable to cheer the death of these young criminals....it doesn't make them racist you dumb asses, it just makes them tired of being fed up with the fear and paranoia of victimization

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    1. So it is fine that the military kill who they want when they want criminal or innocent.

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  39. If they were kids with candies I would feel sorry.
    But there were weapons in the house !

    Very good this DUMB ASS Girl was killed !!!

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  40. This story is a true testament that Mexico has fallen from gods grace. Lawlessness and debauchery rules the land. Blood fills the streets and is consumed by the devil worshippers. Repent now or your soul will be forever damned. -God

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  41. unfortunatelly there will always be civilians in cross fire. besides what were a lot of people doing in a small place. it seem strange

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  42. This incident is criminal and should be prosecuted. If the criminals lay down thier weapons and surrender, they should be arrested not shot. BUT....The rule of engagement stating that the military must wait til the criminals shoot first is crazy! A person with a gun is a serious threat to the life of an adversary. If there is a group of armed perpetrators, there is not an easy way to assure that they have all layed down their arms in a tactical situation. This is why the military should be able to shoot first in certain situations. My comment is about the rules of engagement and does not defend the execution of criminals who have already been neutralized like those in this warehouse.

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  43. No wonder people in Mexico cheerlead for the cartels. How can a person know who the good guys are or who the bad guys are? You can can't go to the police or they will kill you. You can't say no to the cartels or they will kill you. What choice does the youth really have? I now truly understand why migrants would rather spend 4 days wondering the desert to come to the US. Heart breaking....

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  44. 9:19 AM Go away with your whining,grow up

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  45. "I don't understand why so many people keep bringing up America in the comment section. This is a Mexican issue, not an American one"

    Get used to it,they are the worst haters on this planet,and they hate the US worst of all,why,,they have to blame someone for Mexico..

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    1. Read the reply @ 3:29 that will tell you.

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    2. @9:42 so the reason the Mexican military are killing innocent people in Mexico is because of the drugs going north? Interesting logic......Why not blame Canada also? I am very sure the drugs don't stop in the US. I smell bullshit!!!!!

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  46. Some hateful people amongst you i have to say.Always with race or country?

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  47. US bashing again and race creeping in.Never ends never learn.
    Not even trying with you people..Not worth it

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    1. Don't act like victims you guys bash mex just as much, talk shit about the cartels all you want but don't talk shit about mexicans. If you do take it and stop crying like liittle girls!

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  48. To everyone suggesting that they should have been arrested - and then what? The same day or the next day, there they are out on the street. No, the solution is to kill them all and let God sort them out.

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    1. Even the kidnap victims!

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  49. @ 3:29 Americans are obviously the number 1 buyers of Mexican drugs but that doesn't mean some college kid snorting coke wants the Mexican cartels to behead people.. You can't blame that on the American consumer.

    Yes they fund the cartels indirectly but no American consumer is forcing a Mexican cartel member to kill innocents just like no Mexican cartel member is forcing an American addict to do cocaine or meth or smoke pot.

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    1. Preach it and testify brother!!!

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    2. Good you see the connection most ppl from the US don't take responsibility. I understand that a college student doing drugs doesn't want violence in Mex but his addiction is fueling it. You said it yourself the US is #1 consumer. Why do you think the cartels are doing this, they want to be #1 supplier to the US. Do you really thing your addiction has nothing to do with the violence. Take responsibility in is not just Mex it is the US as well!

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    3. @11:24 This cell was not a bunch of narcos. They were "allegedly" a kidnapping cell. They were not pushing the drugs you are talking about. So how is the kidnapping violence the US's problem? How is the US drug use worsening the kidnapping and extortion problems in Mexico? I guess I am not understanding the logic behind your comment.

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    4. 3:52 I'm not replying to the topics you bring up, I agree with what you say. I am replying to 10:38.

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    5. Gotcha 9:20. My mistake.

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  50. Since there are cheerleaders for the narcos and for the military I think I will cheer for the CIA. Where are the CIA haters at?

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    1. The CIA is busy getting you idiots into a war you can't win!

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    2. The CIA has gotten us right where we want to be. We have another chance to be the "hero" again. No one can play war games like the CIA spooks. This has been the CIA's plan since Obama decided the military should leave Iraq. The Islamic state played right into the trap. You will understand what I mean in due time.

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  51. 3:56 PM
    Dude that is the resident monster of USA hate..Millie

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  52. September 19, 2014 at 7:48 PM
    Tale no notice brother,your wasting your time..

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  53. The pathetic remnants of her little girls life.Fuckin sad...








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  54. @6:49AM
    no
    and no

    and it is not the same. behaving as criminals makes one a criminal.

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  55. 11:24 I want to be the number one silver supplier here in Mexico where I live. I guess I should go and start killing off my competition. Taking their mines with gangs (forgot they are already doing that too). It is a cartel that does everything criminal, and drugs are not the only thing they kill for. You see in Mexico where I live the "have not's" take away from the people who have. They do not want to get an education or work for it. It is a cultural thing. Get over it.

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  56. Replies
    1. No! We only killed NVA and VC soldiers, you think like that because you're the one killing and raping little girls and boys in Mexico. Or because the only time you don't hate the US Of America is when you get your monthly allotment of Food Stamps, you are one od the people that from the Government want all the benefits but are not willing to sacrifice anything. Are you going to call child killers the soldiers that served in Granada, Panama, Africa, Iraq and Afghanistan? Brother, you need to leave this
      country.

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  57. September 20, 2014 at 11:24 AM
    If you think Mexicos only problem is moving drugs to the US your an idiot...

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    1. Let your govt brainwash you, wait what brain!

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  58. Too bad they didn't give the troops some bayonett practice, at least they should have tourtured them to get info about their the whereabouts of their boss, then kill them after getting the boss, then repeat the same process with the boss until all are gone...

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  59. Cute girl but she obviously made the wrong friends. The only thing missing here is the girls mother on TV crying saying that she was going to go to college.That she was such a good student and had such a bright future. Live by the sword die by the sword.

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  60. the only good kidnapper or good drug dealers are the dead ones,good for the marinos,people in mexico are sick and tired of that cancer and me personally I will rather see them dead than "chingando la madre" because they are too stupid,lazy,and ignorant to work....thank you marinos..

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  61. Those mexican Mfs are really dumb they rather go with the side of the rats that kill and destroy their own ppl. stupid dumb ignorant pieces of shxt. They cant understand that the most of the soldiers are just trying to clean the garbage to keep them safe from monsters like those that want to live the life the way they want without any rules. Some of those mfs start killing at the age of 15 with out giving a f.... No mercy for all those sicario SOB's send em straight to hell with got enough rats allready!!!! Bola de pendejos.

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    1. Asi es. You said it bro
      Telling it like it is
      Until you or one of ur family gets mob by this "kids" then u will understand why some of us think this way.
      That's to you all double standard ppl.

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  62. 2-k-moT
    "That's to you all double standard ppl"
    Dude its not about double standards,its just sad to see all these young Mexicans dying for fuck all,and especially impressionable girls who wanna hang with"sicarios"ride in trucks and all that bollocks.Yeah,crime is crime and i hear what you are saying but its still sad to see,not standards,empathy.
    Fuck man,don't you think its sad seeing young people dying like this?As a Mexican yourself,i guess your a bit more hardened to all this,but its sad ?
    As you say man,if they took my relative,or killed one?But its a vicious circle with no end in sight ?

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  63. "You are wrong we can wipe them out but we need the billions from your addicts"

    Got your own now big mouth,so that lame argument aint making it.Your selling it to your own bellend,flooding Mexico like you flood the US....

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  64. Good job army! Take out another 22... these bastards should be executed they do the same to the innocent people of my country!

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