Wednesday, June 11, 2014

Narco Manta Obregon: Warning to Trinis there will be retailiation for Tito's murder

Chivís Martínez for Borderland Beat

OBREGON SONORA:
Saturday night a manta (banner) was displayed in Obregon Sonora, the city where the Corridos singer Tomas Tovar Rascon, (Tito Torbellino) was murdered.  It is a reply to the mantas found the previous day,  supposedly a message from the Trinis, it was signed “La T”.

People on the ground, those supposedly having knowledge say; G.N.=SALAZAR=CDS; Is at war with Chapo Trini’s people (Trinis) and they hold Trinis responsible for the murder of Tito Torbellino. 

Here is what I think the manta says it is not completely clear:

Well we are here and we are not leaving,
and  watch out Chapito Trinis because we’ve come
with everything. pure federal force salazar  17 ATM
and the same you did  to Tito is going to happen to
Alfredito oliva, fucking Chapo Trini Olivas
AN EYE FOR AN EYE

Sources: Menny Times and facebook

87 comments:

  1. Lot of posturing going. Chest pounding. The first part of this is going to be real ugly. Bad news.

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  2. Lot of posturing going. Chest pounding. The first part of this is going to be real ugly. Bad news.

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  3. Stupid on Steroids. Seriously, now they are gonna start a war where they whack Corrido singers? Seriously?

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  4. Are they referring to Alfredito Olivas the singer?

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    1. Yes they are!

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    2. Looks like they've done. Alfredito Olivas has been shot and killed in EL PARRAL Chihuahua 2/28/15.

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    3. He's not dead tho

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  5. Salazar was at war with Trinis a few years back as well. That's when that manta was put up with trinis picture on it. after that the Salazar family was arrested. Jesus Alfredo Salazar and Adan Salazar. After that everything went back to normal until now.

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  6. If they are referring to the singer, I thought alfredito olivas sang for CDS and gente nueva? "El comando X" he even sings it with tito

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  7. Yes alfredito olivas the singer is related to chapo trinis

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  8. From wat I here its his uncle el senor de la t this shitts is all stupid!!!

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  9. They sound like a bunch of school girls going back in fourth fuckin pathetic!!!!

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    1. School girls? Cold blooded killers yea but school girls Not even close!

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    2. skullgirl then? haha bad ass game on ps3 by the way!

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    3. All there going to do is snitch on each other and who ever gives the government most money wins abd the other goes to jail. Or Maybe go to war on mantas talking shit, or make a corrido of how bad he is.. haha stupid narcos

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  10. First of all, Salazar is very powerful. M100 and Los Salazar sharre that area. Salazar has a huge presence in Nogales and Naco. You have to see that Tito and Mandy are both part of this mess. So it's not just Salazar, It's Salazar and Paredes. Very powerful force to deal with in that area. Not gonna be pretty.

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  11. Many thanks chivis!!! The forum post of this manta had no details at all, just the text in Spanish and the photo, I thought this is an English blog it's why I come here.

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  12. If I'm not wrong isn't chapo trini backed by chapo Isidro ?

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    1. Maybe , n if its true then which mean chapo isidro is from beltran leyva cartel who r enemies with CDS , maybe thats where this whole thing comes from , chapo snitched on mochombo n not for nothing but los beltran leyva looked out for chapo guzman when he escaped from prison n he betrayed them , thats why his own people snitched on him , todo se paga en este mundo

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    2. All that Chapo snitching on Beltranes is BS. There is definitely bad blood, but it is definitely not how you portray it. The government took them out. LA barbie worked for Arturo. LA Barbie didn't even trust Arturo. He says when Arturo was coked up he wanted to kill Barbie. That's how Arturo was. He used his supply too much. They were after him. They were being switched on in the states where several indictments were handed down. The U.S. Government was tracking Arturo cell phone just like they did to Chapo. So to totally blame Chapo is stupid. They got LA Barbie the same way. And Barbie was straight killing fools for Arturo. Chapo was responsible for some hard core shit. He went after a lot of Plazas. And he took most of them. Most of those Plazas Welcomed Chapo. So to make appear like Chapo snitched out Beltranes, think again. They were after their asses, just like Chapo, because of all the heat from the US.

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    3. Finally someone with knowledge!
      Si sabes.....

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    4. Finally someone with some knowledge!

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    5. About time somebody knows their facts!

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  13. I put it like this...for all you that dont know...chapo trini is not knew in the game...Cds ,when they were under the mexican governments skirt,tried to take the plaza from trini...AND FAILED!!! The facts are proving that with out goverment help,CDS are losing ground...No way the gente nueva are taking plaza away from trini...mark my words,no one here in mexico is worried about the so called gente nueva....they get killed dropping like flies...even the zetas and beltran have gone up straight to culiacan and eliminated several of the head ones...lñike someone said...TRASH!!!

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    1. You are full of it, Dude. No one from CDS ever tried to knock out Trini. They were battling with Los Salazar. Chapo Guzman brought the peace. Now if tito and Mandy didn't get whacked, this wouldn't be a war. They started this. They tried to take the plaza from M100. All the ship jumpers went to trini, like El 20. See how that worked out. Don't get me wrong, I know none of this is good, but this fight will be bad. And trini will suffer as bad as Salazar. Zetas and the Beltranes might make a come back in the area, but until they do I am not gonna credit those fucks.

      El Conejo loco

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    2. Yea buddy im pretty sure everything you say is right youre probably on the frontlines putting in work pinche iluso

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    3. Well fool, I got indicted with all these people and went to prison for 2 decades. So before any of you speak, realize that I do know. Trini was around back then. He whare housed our loads in the Abregon. Like 20 tons at a time. So slow your roll. I do know. I feel sorry for all these dudes infighting over this. I am sure the Trini's want piso. But these guys don't need him. So i am sure he's pissed. But these guys should keep this about business instead of killing good people. Mandy and tito are black eyes that no one is gonna forget any time soon. And Paredes/Salazar already control huge corridors into Arizona. And believe me, the loads are still flowing. So all that CDS is dead bullshit, is just that. (BULLSHIT) THE 3200 libros they just caught in the eastern corridor was CDS trees. So all that week and falling shit is hard to listen to. Use some sense. I have been around a long time. I am out of the game. But I know most of these guys.


      Peace out!

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    4. El Chapo Trini is no joke. ..He will take da Salazar out and also el m 100. ..I know this because I live in Sonora. .

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    5. Listen, I know trini is strong. But salazar/paredes together are strong, too. I am pretty sure the CDS top dogs are trying hard to slow this. They want the money to flow. Who is the tougher people is something that hopefully we don't see. But Salazar has a presence in the Abregon and they are not leaving by force. Let's hope that this ends, Bro, cuz it is not good in any way. I am not gonna disrespect this site by arguing about people dying. I hate violence. (Getting soft in my old age) I am hoping for a better outcome.
      But Salazar / Paredes are more than capable of defending their turf and laying down the law. Salazar was battling Trini's before Adan and El Indio got taken out by Calderón. Chapo Guzman made the peace to keep the business flowing. Chapo is locked up so these guys are back to war. If you live in Sonora you should know that these families have kept the peace in Sonora for a long time. So i give them credit for that. So let's hope for the peace.

      Peace

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    6. Silly rabbit, trix are for kids.

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  14. Ditto here Chiiiiiivas..good job

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  15. Ya valio madre ojala ke no agarren al alfredito olivas

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    1. Ya lo agararon, 4 balasos ase rato, en un concierto

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  16. Hey this is outstanding pos chivis or whoever, good fucking job I like reading about this... But how the fuck are they going to threaten alfredito for what happened to Tito when both have several songs recorded together for lots of people from different places, of course predominantly Sonora and sinaloa? Makes no sense.

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  17. Isn't Alfredito Olivas related to someone connected? GN trying to take out Alfredito Olivas seemed a bit EXAGGERATED no? Take out the contras and quit flexing weak muscle against musicians.

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  18. Whats happening is that they are all cds its just that the unity is now completely gone....the different clikas are splitting up there is no beltran o mochomera involved

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  19. Afrdito Olivas is trinis nephew , alfreditos dad is also In the game. they've tried to kill alfredito once before that's why he lives in california now. he still sings to el del sombrero de Nogales GN but this beef is with Salazar .

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    1. Who is "El del Sombrero"? I've heard multiple songs about him, but they are not very clear.

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  20. damn if i was alfredo olivas i would be shitting bricks he sings for sum guys in sonora dont know which cartel he runs with pero al que canta narco corridos mejor empiezen a cantar bachata compas

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  21. "Seriously, now they are gonna start a war where they whack Corrido singers? Seriously?"
    Dude thats a classic,still laughing,,to much

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  22. Why they going for alfredo olives? Instead they should go for el remmy valenzuela, isnt he related to chapo trini?

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    1. Alfredito olivas es sobrino Del chapo Trini y Remmy es familiar Del Chapo Isidro..

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  23. "I thought this is an English blog it's why I come here"
    They don't care...

    For real if it wasnt for Chivis it wouldn't be that way.In fact,i get the impression there is actually antagonism because of it?

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    1. Here we go with the "I don't speak Spanish I'm a cry baby waa waa" bullshit.... It's in English. What more do you want. Chivis can't do everything to please you fucking people, can you relax about it. They already do what they can here, Spanish is not that hard to learn, if you're so interested in the Mexican Narco war.

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  24. One dead accordian player and everyone goes krazy!! Haaa

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  25. Prelude to a possible plaza war. A musician is a softer target but high profile enough to make a statement and spread fear. Going after another orhanization will bring attention, violence, and security costs that will kill profits for a long time - or until one faction dies.

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    1. This shit would never happen to Elvis..... he was a black belt and carried a gun...AND had his Memphis Mafia.

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  26. gn is losing a lot of people they just took out lopez in delicias he was the head of gn in chihuahua the salazar clan is from chihuahua but mostly runs in sonora and yea chapo trini has been around for a long time los altenos sang a song for him years back before they were ambushed by the salazars in 04 or 05 its called el corrido del chapo most people think its for chapo guzman but its for trini... thats why darey castro wont go to chihuahua because he ran around with los numeros back then... lucky his still alive but trinis and salazares have beef going back a long time...

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    1. What exactly did Darey do?

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    2. Listen I remember Los gouchos. I remember Enrique Para. These people killed Leo Paredes. I also know that Mr. Para got thrown out of an airplane. All these guys are powerful guys. Salazar is more than capable of kicking ass right there. The money that has gone through the hands of Paredes/Salazar out does the Trini's 2 to 1 easy. The Paredes/Salazar distribution hubs in the states are huge. Let's hope that this gets squashed and doesn't go no farther.

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  27. 9.17..you dont know a damn thing! i bet your a coward,a snitch...and for a fact you are not in mexico...!!!CDS IS LOSING GROUND! WITH NO GOVERMENT HELP,SNITCHING AND ALL THAT LAME STUFF,CDS AINT SH!!,AND HERE IN MEXICO...WE ARE PROVING IT!!!!

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    1. You gonna have a stroke or heart attack or diabities dont be mad because cds cartel is too powerfull and #1 stop crying you act like you from a cartel but its not our fault you are a cheer leader from a lossing cartel lol

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    2. They are not proving shit. CDS is cleaning their own. So act like they are not still working. But I know they are. So stop posting lies. The Trini's are looking like they are breaking from CDS. But in the end they will go with what is really working.

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    3. Wish I could snitch on you for being an idiot. Coward? Have you ever been put in prison in the U.S. ? You run your mouth. You are full of shit and keep wishing what you say is true. I know these people. You try to portray them as weak. I know for a fact they are not. The future will portray for what you are. A DUMB ASS.

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    4. Common sense says that every cartel in Mexico has lost big players to the government in the drug war. I could list dozens. Any idiot could claim any cartel is going down based on a certain loss. The Zetas have taken huge hits this last 18 months. Golfo's have taken huge hits and infighting. Templarios huge hits. BLO, huge hits. Juarez has been hugely impacted by all the killing in Juarez. So anyone could make a baseless claim. But common sense would say that all the cartels are still in business. The biggest one on the block isn't gonna just dry up and die. They are restructuring just like the rest. Only difference is the have more money and are still working. Arguing over who is doing what in Mexico is retarded. All they are doing is killing each other like sociopaths and trying to justifying doing it, instead of being strong for common strength and unity. Bunch of damn haters. You have been given facts. Use your head and stop with the empty hating.

      Be in Mazetlan all week on vacation. Come join me. It will be fun.



      Hopping down the bunny trail right through Mexico.

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    5. He said in Mexico we are proving it. What? You got a mouse in your pocket? Lol.

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  28. This is better than Breaking Bad,Sons of Anarchy,or any TV show...!

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    1. Idk about SOA bro that shit is hard lol...

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  29. Enrique paraz el 9 right from Los numeros

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  30. Why does everyone want peace for these cartel members? They kill inocent people, steal, rape and you want them to have peace. Gente Pedeja! !! Let them wipe each other out..

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    1. I want peace because there will be so many innocent people affected by all out war.

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  31. from what i heard is that darey got messed up at a gig that they had that night in chihuahua some where in the sierra and something went wrong when they were driving towards cuauthemoc they were pulled over and shot luckly darey lived 2 tell the story that they were pulled over and got robbed by some bandidos but everyone in chihuahua knows thats not really what happened... the narco world is very complicated always has been just that now all hell broke loose and they dont care if people know who they are back then there was alot of secrecy and the public was kept out of it....

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  32. Mr. Conejo you should write a book. I used to follow your blog, why did you stop posting? Please post here at as a reporter. You are good writer even though I wish your stories were fiction, but they are real. No one has a better idea of the Agua Prieta plaza on this board than Mr. Conejo.

    Pepito

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  33. Mr. Conejo from borderland beat??

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  34. Sorry ment border reporter

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    1. That was Michel Marizco's site. Michel is awesome. He is a man with integrity and very smart. I did post on his site and I am so grateful that I could vent frustration that way. I recently started posting comments here, even though I should just go happily away. I should apologize to Chivis for being an ass and wish her well and go away. I will give it a rest for a while. Goodbye cruel world (Lol)

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  35. @Pepito;

    Thank you, Bro. I always tried to keep it real. I have friends in the south that I worry about a lot. There are family members of Salazar and Paredes that are not in the game, and they have had to live with deaths of family members and arrests(Morcos) and I really like some of these people (Vito Corleone). It's sad. My experiences are not all good. If you want to hear the truth, love your kids, get them a good education, and teach them better. I have lost so much playing in that world. As an old Man it was hard to have more kids. I have very young children. Being there for them is important. So the human side of narco trafficking is a sad one. I only hope for peace.

    I am completely out of the game. I have no intention of returning. At the same time I do know what's up down there, even though I am not there. There isn't a whole lot of glory in arguing with nonsense. And being in prison sucks bad. I have had a lot of people knock me for many things. Most of them are full of shit. Some of them are people I once knew. (can't please everyone) But today I am just nobody. It feels better than getting your head sawed off with a steak knife. (narco world is tough) But take care and thank you for reading truth and reality. I like meeting good people.


    Hop hop hop!

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  36. i hear you i was also in the game for a few years got busted and went to prison i been out for 2 years now and things have changed alot there has always been violence in the business but now that the cartels employed alot of addicts and young kids and gave them high power weapons eventually it was going to get out of hand most of the people doing all the killings get paid shit the big dogs aint giving them good money cause they know they are just meat... street soldiers that they can replace... i my self know alot of big fish from cdj and cds back then they all hanged out together and drank beer like any group of friends and yes they have lost big time but the business keeps on going one way or the other as long as the gringos want their high there will always be someone willing to supply that demand as easy as that... what i dont agree with is that they started opening street sale plazas in mexico back then you could only find coke in certain places mostly cities and crack and meth most people didnt even know what that was now any punk kid on a motorcycle can hook you up...drug addiction is higher violence is higher bad move by the bosses they should of kept sending it north and kept my country clean like it used to be... the good old days are gone if your in it get out if your out keep your ass clean and enjoy your time enjoy your family enjoy your life...

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    1. I also know several CDS members. Leo Paredes, who I knew semi well, worked with Amado Carrillo. I knew Amado as well. Bro, it's a truly sick world. I was in bed with these people in the 80's. After Amado died, it lost all sense and "business." Like you said it used to be low key and hush hush. Now it's fashionable to be the big boss player. They kill each other put themselves on front street. Now it's all just blood money and who can kill the most. Sucks. But I still can't help but to respect some of these guys for their longevity. (Including Chapo Trini) The Paredes are survivors, though. I respect Marcos and Queer assed Rodolfo Paredes tremendously. Adan Salazar is a tough old sob. So how am I supposed to act?

      Anyway, am gonna stop posting shit on this site. I took a break from blogging for a couple years. (My blood pressure went down) I am a guy who should be quiet and keep to myself. I heard that Marcos is pissed at me and wants me dead. I guess my way of respecting him comes with a bullet to the head. Take care. I might create something all my own next year so every one can cuss me to death on my own platform. Then I can moderate and be a real dick. Lol. Just kidding keep your heads up. Peace out

      El Conejo has left the building.

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  37. Would like to know more about ur experiences sounds very interesting am from a.p los trackes it's crazy how's everything changed through the years there!

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  38. well it all started one friday night after a high school football game... i met a kid 16 years of age i was 17 just 3 months older then him... as we talked and ate sum nachos he asked me were i was from... i said i was born in mexico in the state of chihuahua and you he said im from sonora nice 2 know someone from back home you want 2 go drink sum beers with my primos i said sure why not im thirsty.. well my friend that was my introduction to mexican drug cartels... in less then 2 years i had met a pilot from chihuahua at a party were we gave chuletas 2 his pet bengal tiger... i didnt even move much maybe 5 to 10 keys a months but i was a compa de los compas and that gave me a backstage pass to the people in mexico... sonora parral durango navolato delicias juarez you name it... by the time i was 23 i was locked up doing time for drug trafficking... i wish sometimes i could hate american football the cause of it all....

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    1. That about sums it up. In my case, I didn't make to 23. I was locked up at 19. Started when I was 15. But I am of Italian decent. So i didn't last as long as many Mexicans. But getting your head sawed off on camera is horrible beyond horrible. The game is bad news. On both sides.

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  39. Let me put it to clear and simple as long as there people addicted to drugs all around not just usa countries like mexico columbia peru Bolivia etc etc will never stop producing and distribution TOO MUCH MONEY INVOLVED too much people involved the people you hear about are idiots the real busniess men and women are behind the scenes watching there pockets get fat

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  40. 3:27
    I have to disagree about the BR guy. He is a jerk with a much higher opinion of himself than reality. I never heard of him until a few mos ago when something happened.

    As for yourself, you are welcome to stay. Don't leave because of me, you never crossed the line that I am aware of

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  41. No, C, I like you a lot for the info posted. This is a good forum. I just piss off people in Mexico. You see, I got out of all that mess down there. But I know people. So when I start talking about them they get mad. So i am not leaving because of you. I can appreciate what you are doing.


    Silly rabbit

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  42. 10:08...well I have one upped you, I piss people off on both sides the border :)

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  43. Right on chivis!

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  44. Not much for narco corrido's so Hey, what's a rabbits favorite music?


    Hip hop

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  45. they kill a journalist from hermosillo when all of them were 'friends' sonora got heat from the feds and everything went to hell,numeros vs salazar's chapos vs beltran y el verdadero culpable haciendo billetes en sonora...bbbbbboooooouuuuurssss

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  46. all this is just getting started they fuked up so now we have to take control just watch wats been happening we are g,n and no one can stop us ..pinchi bola de lakras no le salen al topon tacuachess valen verga el chapo trini y su gente corrientee aii nomas pa la cocadass

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  47. ya se chingaron al alfredito olivas

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  48. The big boss needs to tell his comandos and his radios the truth before ir gets wost (the boss of his boss...boss)

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  49. What cartel does Alfredo Olivas sing for? he has some songs for CDS,based on a youtube clip he sings for El Sombrero or Gente del Mz. Some songs like El Telarana, El Doble X, El Tony, El 18, etc. Just curious and thank you to whoever answers my question.

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