Tuesday, April 8, 2014

Dr Mireles is sole spokesman-Additonal arrests-Fake AD Facebook pages

Chivís Martínez for Borderland Beat
In a Saturday meeting with representatives from 50 Michoacán communities, Dr Manuel Mireles was appointed sole spokesman of the General Council of Michoacán Autodefensas (self-defense). 

Dr Mireles stated, that the move was to better inform the public of decisions and movement in working in coordination with agencies to combat crime.

The action will give clarity on official positions and decisions of AD on all matters.  Recently, there has been confusion, in part, due to multiple leaders speaking in an official manner, sometimes with incompatibility.

Dr. Mireles has steadfastly held the position, that all matters and decisions must be presented before council for a vote, and the result of the vote shall prevail. 

While Dr. Mireles was convalescing with injuries from a plane crash, he was unilaterally removed as council spokesman by Estanislao Beltran, aka Papa Smurf.

The removal was conducted without a vote of council and came on the heels of a very candid interview DrMireles gave to El Pais. 
Five communities march in favor of autodefensas, as leaders report 12 additional autodefensas arrested

On Sunday in five different locations in Michoacán against the governments proposed autodefensas disarmament. Demonstrations were reported in Apatzingán Miigica, Parácuaro, Los Reyes and La Huacana. 

It was in the recently liberated town of Huetamo that AD reported the arrest of 12 AD members during the night, by federal forces.

Autodefensas believe that by disarming the group, that will make them vulnerable to other cartels, Zetas, CDG etc would likely move into Michoacán to take the territory from the weakened Templarios. "We don't want any cartels in Michoacán", said Dr, Mireles.

Dr Mireles reported to me, that Americano is not the criminal some outlets have reported him to be.  That he is a good friend of Dr Mireles.  Neither he or Smurf are behind the death threats nor are they working in collusion with the commissioner to oust the movement.  

Because Dr Mireles has not made public who those people are that are behind the threats, I will not  say who they are, but will say who they are not.
Like Cherân before them, if necessary they will use sticks as weapons

What has occurred, is a small faction of  an Autodefensa group,  coordinators of two communities, rallied against the federation, and began meeting secretly with the State Commissioner of Security, Alfredo Castillo with a plan  to  disarm and destroy the federation union.  

What led to the conflict between the two autodefensa groups was greed.  The organizers of the two communities wanted title ownership of properties confiscated from the hands of Templarios, to be transferred to various leaders and coordinators and began doing so for themselves.  

Dr Mireles and the autodefensas of the other 34 municipalities strongly opposed the actions, saying the land must go back to the rightful owners.  This led to a split, which led to an all out conflict between the two sides.  The small group began talks with the commissioner and the state, who want nothing more to eliminate the union and the  problems that the group has caused the state. For over a year, investigations have  been repeatedly called for by the AD federation,  because of the pervasive corruption and cartel collusion.

Those who have followed the AD movement for the past year, will affirm that Dr Mireles has long spoken of the state level corruption, and specifically the meetings Jesus Reyna had attended with La Tuta on multiple occasion.  The meetings were the  basis for the recent arrest of Reyna, and was no surprise to those following Dr Mireles.

He has called for the expulsion of the commissioner for attempting to disarm the autodefensas.  This is in direct violation of the 8 point agreement contracted by the state and the autodefensa federation.  Namely, establishing the rule of law,  security, and a fair delivery of justice.  Only at that time would they lay weapons down.
Caution: Social Media sites declared as autodefensa pages
The facebook page Valor Michoacán SDR, issued announcements falsely attributed to autodefensas. 

It should be known that the above social network page is not connected to autodefensas and does not represent them.  This is the word directly from Dr Manuel Mireles, and that would explain why the confusion of pages, such as this popular one, is in conflict with the actual position of autodefensas.  

Case in point, the rumors about the person known as “Americano” and the H3 autodefensas group, originated on this FB page and is in directly contrary to AD and Dr Mireles position.

It has become common place that media outlets such as Proceso and Reforma, has taken the reports from these imposter social pages as the official position of the autodefensas council.
Another facebook page devoted to Dr Mireles, but not one he is associated with, was one he trusted until this week.  They are naming Smurf and Americano (at left) as those who have threatened his death.  He denounces that rumor, and flat out says it is untrue. 

I wrote the administrator of Valor and asked him what evidence he has that Americano is a criminal and has criminal ties.  And that H3 is a cartel.  I also asked if his page is an official page of the autodefensas council or movement. 
He wrote back, a week later, and asked if I wanted an interview.
He did not answer any of my questions.

Finally, the autodefensas began their own official facebook page. By tomorrow I should have the link, I am waiting for a verification.
A reader pointed out these fotos of AD hero known as "Bonitia" riding in the H3 Patrol vehicle
 
Dr Mireles explained  the first communities to raise arms and the leaders:
H3 signifies the third community (Buena vista)  who took up in arms. (H1 is first, H2 is second and so forth)

Like H1 is the Ruana, the first who took up arms

And H2 is Tepalcatepec.

The coordinator general of the Ruana is Hipolito.

The general coordinator of Buenavista is the Americano.

The general coordinator of Tepalcatepec Or presidente.del Council autodefenzas of tepalcatepec  is me. (Dr Mireles)

The coordinator. of Aguililla is Frutos

Coalcomán is Misael.

Apatzingan is Father Goyo.

The Nuevo Italia is  Cuquín.

Churumuco is.Froilan.

La Huacana is  Ulysses.

Los Reyes is Panchito (relative of the girls hanged in Limon de la Luna see foto)

Tancítaro is a son of Don Angel Bucio

Cotija is Paco.
A university student, her sister(a new mother), the husband a businessman and the second man a loved teacher

61 comments:

  1. Why doesn't DR.Mireles say who threatened him. DR.Mireles and autodefensas are fighting not only the templars but the government who are undercover templars. They are fighting corruption Mireles should comeout and say who is threatening him also I would love to know who is the military general that threatened him he should also say what the government told him when he had his accident that is the only way to end speculations and prevent future misunderstanding within the group.

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  2. Ok im confused now soooo h3 are good guys ?? Did not they demmand hipolito mora to be arrested ?? Hipolito was a good leader was not him ????.

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  3. Thank you for this report! It has answered many of my recent questions. I was beginning to think it was a little more complicated than it really is. Truely enlightning.

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  4. Wow i was beginning to believe this whole h3 thing was real. Very enlightning blog. Very helpful in these moments of confusion! Thank you!!

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  5. Hipolito and Americano need to kiss amd make up then I will believe El Americano might be a good guy! I just don't get why so many spread rumors that he is surrounded by ex Templarios!

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  6. Dr Mirales, is a great leader, better than anybody in Mexico right now!!!

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  7. Dr Mirales for the cover of time Magazine 2014!!! Then things in Mexico would have to change

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  8. I have a cousin who just moved back to Michoacan and he's already brainwashed by the CT to think that AD's are CJNG...I just about choked him on Tango...

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  9. Sra Chivis: Excellent report, It is very informative and well written, worth reading several times to capture all the detail.

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  10. Fuck the cartles long live hte autodefensas the knights templar can burn in hell with demons. They will never defeat the spirit of the mexican people.

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  11. Thanks for making things seem clearer Chivis, its a very confusing time. Its good that you showed the hanging photo. as horrible as it is, its a reminder amongst the confusion and bickering, of the whole reason the Autodefensas began. PS, still think you should interview the Valor owner. Peace.

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  12. Chivis I am confused, in the beginning you totally bashed Americano and said how he was a bad man and you tried to spin your stories to make him look like a criminal. Now you defend him?? Also don't try so hard to prove you know Dr. Mireles, you write always trying to convince people that you know all the secrets, like you know all the scoop. Just like when you write that you know who is behind the death threats but you won't say who it is lol. You are always trying to show off in your writing.....just report the facts and leave your ego out of it

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    1. Well put....

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    2. By your your response you have to be a woman cause no dude would put it on like this right hurrr!!!

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    3. 7:10 you are suppossed to absorb information and do your own research, nobody has the absolute truth to anything, but everybody should go and look for a better truth and arrive to their own conclusions, so, what is holding you?
      Other people may be too busy to work on pleasing a lazy ass like yours...

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    4. Hey , man bagging on Chivis is messed up! She goes out of her way to give us the latest info. Things change day to day! Shes jist passing the information that is given to her! I still don't fully trust Americano! There's alot more going on in La Ruana than what we are led to believe and greed is a major part of it!

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  13. That picture and then the pictures of the family happily smiling on a holiday or day out has stayed in my mind.
    There is no doubt Valor Michoacán SDR is the site where a lot of things have originated.I was confused myself at a picture they put up with the title"Dr Mireles with the worst assassins" I looked at the picture and noticed Dr Mireles was not in the picture with any of them?They simply put various photographs of named individuals but in none of them was Dr Mireles present?The AD movement is more important than to blithely misinform people like this?

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  14. Dr.Mireles, im sorry the daily life in where you are from is so treacherous, that being said, you better follow the lead of the dali llama, and get your ass to the U.S, so you can lead your people with words and thought instead of your legend, there is no problem or failure in staying alive, it might be to your advantage to operate from the states, you may have better disposal of
    resources. Give it a thought....

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  15. If the Mexican Government really does try to disarm and crush the AD it will be the final nail in the coffin for the Government and will prove without a doubt that they are corrupt and evil.
    Work with the AD to eradicate the narcos, not against them!

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  16. thank your for truth of valorxmichoacan sdr
    they they are the pages that make up the stories. they are not autodefenzas and we think gain trust to plant lies. for

    confusion of people. even media thinks official because the say connected. thank you for saying dr. manuel Mireles denounce this page.
    what is the page official?

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  17. Typical you faggots won't post any comments that challenge Chivis....I hope you get picked up and chopped up

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    1. Who u calling faggots? Well it takes one to know.

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    2. Are you calling everybody a bundle of twigs?

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  18. much, much more clear. you are correct, the social media pages have made it very confusing.

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  19. @9:37
    You despicable piece of trash. Wishing a horrible death to a person who has not posted fast enough for you?

    over 100 comments this morning and if yours is as disgusting as this one there is your reason it is not posted. I delete all comments with bigoted words including the 3 letter F word. Better yet move to another blog because we are not going to change, better yet get a job.

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  20. 9:37 you sore and challenged ass, what exactly is your problem?
    mammy won't change your pamper in a long while?
    is someone suppossed to do your dirty work for you?
    we all do what we can, why won't you find some other place and challenge anybody you want someplace else?
    i know, an incompetent asshole like you would find no followers, no matter how much or how low you drop your panties, pinchi maricon en cuatro patas.
    it would be a challenge to grow up, yeah?

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    1. Yup, maybe that loser should start his own blog and see how may followers he gets!

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  21. 7:10AM
    I understand and appreciate how you feel. I apologize to you because I did not check with AD about social media pages.

    WHat happened is an American named Harry Devert was kidnapped in Mich. in Jan. A Reuters reporter contacted me along with another asking if I could help or run the story. I began helping Ann, Harry's mom. still am. But the SDR Admin wrote to them saying he represent AD, I didn't challenge that and didn't ask Dr M. but the the page was reporting info that AD said was not true. So I also was confused, and hd already began reporting what SDR said. but Dr M said no page represented them and he did not know the admin of the page.

    Finally I asked Dr M. and if you recall I always said I was confused and trying to get information. I ran a criminal background on Torres in the US and Mx an there was nothing. So I was faced with replying on the word of an anon admin, posing as something he is not, quite common actually on social media. or Dr M. I told dr m I was not 100% sure of Americano, but concede it may be due to brainwashing by these false AD pages. I trust him. He has always been forthcoming and answers all my questions.

    I think the reason he doesn't say who the people are who want to kill him is because the people will be after him all the more. But that is me talking. I was surprised he told me who they are, but trust is a two way street and I have never betrayed his trust, like Proceso and Televisa did.

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    1. Chivis, good reporting we appreciate your up to date news. Take care and be safe!

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    2. I think AD has accomplished alot, but sometimes I question some of the characters and their real objective! Like El Americano!!! The whole truth needs to come out if the AD want to win over the people that support them!

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  22. I think, overall, the Valor Facebook page is well-meaning, but it does not seem to understand the bigger picture of how the Autodefensas work, or the relationships between the various groups. It is very good for finding out what is happening, like that minute, on the ground (eg narco roadblocks etc), but maybe not for anything else.

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  23. 9:37 Jesus I am stunned that anyone, no matter the background, or lack of education could write what you did.

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  24. i don't know you in person chivis, but for all the work you do, I LOVE YOU!!!
    just reading the comments that get posted is a challenge, and to read the ones that go to the trash must take a lot longer, never mind the popo heads, i understand they have issues that will never get resolved, and it must be hard living with a person like that, and worse when it is yourself.
    --there is still the puerta falsa @9:37, take it, and good riddance!

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  25. all this time the feared H3 was a autodefensa community???
    and happens to be where the personal war is?
    you should go with the interview and asked the valor face book page wtf?

    they are obviously are part of either ct or state gov
    beware of wolves in sheeps clothing.
    damn

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  26. 7:10 chivis was so classy and respectful in the answer to your rude comment

    ego? works her ass off without pay, so it sure isn't for the money. and works anonymously, sure isn't for fame.

    so what the hell are you talking about? She has been able to get close to people that are hot topics in the Mexican drug war arena. bringing us breaking news. like when autodefenzas were about to capture chayo. a week in advance, day by day.

    did you ever think that one of the reasons she states quotes are "directly" from Mireles is so we can separate the truth from fiction?

    or as in when the gov gave autodefenzas no credit for the capture of chayo and chivis wrote the post condemning the government making clear autodefensas were not given credit, when no one else was writing of the omission?

    I remember a reader wrote that he was sure Mireles didn't care about credit. as it turned out Mireles asked chivis to be sure people knew. and finally now people are writing about it.

    I for one care very much about what has happened in mich. it is unlike anything I have see in my 17 years in manzanillo colima. ct attacked, raped, extort, kill, dismember, kidnap, innocents as part of their business plan. even little girls, 10, 11 years old.

    I am a huge fan of bb and chivis. and they are my only daily go to people for drug war news. if you cannot be appreciative, why not keep your baseless accusations to your self. or better yet, go away.

    Que te vaya bien chivis

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  27. All in favor of a Dr Mireles day say aye.

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  28. CIA is running the show. veracruzano. WAR GAMES.

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  29. @ 9:37 AM

    So... You are the new hire of the CTs. Insults, lies and BS. Can't you at least be original? How about some concrete evidence? Or better yet true facts. Your Jr high nose picking doesn't work here on BB.

    Get some psychological help.

    Peace,

    ESB

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  30. El Bravo is dead...found in La Cruz de Elota. Word is he was the one that snitched out Chapo. Makes sense he was tortured Y enteipado..

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  31. 7:10 why don't you please yourself and others and post the correct and corrected information that pleases you the most? it may please other readers too you know?
    otherwise, mister important, you could just up'n stfu.
    bottom line is el americano and his motorized cavalry, confronted hipolito mora and a few of his followers to the point that hipolito had to be rescued by the government's air cavalry and while in their protection, the federales arrested hipolito.
    el americano also accused hipolito of killing his friend ex-templario el pollo rostizado. hipolito, as far as i've read, is still under arrest, indicted for the el pollo rostizado's burns and murder, and that is what we need cleared, if at all possible, no need for personal opinions or requests from unhappy mama's boys...

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  32. why are my comments always denied cause they don't fit this boards agenda ?
    i belive everyone is entitled to there own opinion on a certain subject.

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    1. SILENCE,or well delete your next post!

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  33. Dr Mireles tiene unos huevotes de dinosaurio.

    Dr Mireles has the balls of a dinosaur.

    REAL BRAVE LIVING HERO.

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  34. Chivis,

    Can you please do a story on Commandante Sheyla of CDG in Tampico? Thanks

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  35. Chivis girl.....
    There is a great picture on "Narco mexico drugs gangs" that illustrates your point completely when trying to explain " H3 " etc.We all remember "Comandante Bonita"the young woman AD?The photograph plainly shows her sitting in a truck with PATRULLA AUTODEFENSA H3 BUENAVISTA.The picture says it all?
    It may help you out?Anyway good work gyal,be cool now

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  36. The stories on Milenio contradict half this article...the leader of ADs in Aguilla has not agreed to surrender their weapons as mireles stated and the priest of the the Church in La Ruana accuses Simon the American of criminal acts like extortion etc. Chivis has her own agenda...maybe she has a crush on Mireles

    La desmovilización tiene consecuencias. En La Ruana, una de las pocas comunidades en las que el desarme ha avanzado, la desarticulación del grupo de Hipólito Mora ha llevado a que el bando de Simón El Americano asuma el control total de la región, según advirtió el padre José Luis Segura, párroco de la comunidad.

    "El que hayan destruido a las autodefensas de aquí, que hayan encarcelado a Hipólito Mora llevó a la expulsión de muchas personas por parte del nuevo grupo que llegó", deploró. Hasta el momento, 60 familias han tenido que abandonar la Ruana, ante el temor de ser víctimas de represalias por parte de El Americano.

    Segura acusó que el nuevo grupo dominante "está amenazando, metiendo miedo en la población" e incluso señaló que ya se han presentado quejas de extorsiones, secuestros y cobro de cuotas, por lo que llamó al gobierno federal a aplicar una política de "desarme selectiva", basada en los perfiles individuales de cada grupo.

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    1. What about the story of Hipolitos niece and El Americano? And the story of Hipolito being responsible for having El Americanos mom kicked out of town? Somebody needs to get to take the Bull by the horns and get to the bottom and run a full stoey with all the known facts!

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  37. 7:32
    I plan to! I am gathering information, which thanks to many of you readers there is now good insight....

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    1. Porfa está información es muy importante...me podrías enviar en español para postearla?...Ya lo hice en inglés...ahora me gustaría ehh español porfa

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  38. 9:28 everybody is free to have a crush on anybody, you are free to find your own crush, la puta tuta would be good for you.
    Chivis I have a crush on you! And I'm sure even your detractors like all of us here love you too much, some hate you for being so unreachable, that's all, you must be laughing your avoirdupois off for being the object of our obsessions, which can be so ridiculous and drive some mad with jealousy...

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  39. April 10, 2014 at 7:23 AM
    "Can you please do a story on Commandante Sheyla of CDG in Tampico?" Yeah man,she is on her way to Tampico as we speak.After that she is going to Reynosa to find out about the Metros,and then shes going to Sinaloa to try and clear up the El Bravo story for all of us who CANT use something called google your bugle.My request is,can she play Nat King Cole,A Blossom Fell,way before my time,but...

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  40. @ 7:33: I suppose you are Chivis' knight in shining armor?

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  41. this was a great post i read on another comments section:

    El govierno esta manejando esta situacion muy mal, es irresponsable la forma que quieren hacer el desarme. El Dr. Mireles tiene razon, creo que si Castillo, Fausto, Chong estuviera el los sapatos de Los Autodefensas no lo harian. Me gustaria que explicaran por que quieren desarmar a Los Autodefensas cuando ahun Michoacan no esta seguro y no se an cumplido lo acordado. Los paises donde las fuerzas militares de USA an abandonado las fuerzas militares deja un vacio que imediatamente lo llena otro conflicto. El Dr. Mireles tiene TODA la RAZON, esto va hacer una vaccum para crimen si se desarman como quiere el govierno hacerlo IRRESPONSABLEMENTE y muy TONTO. El desarme tiene que ser un proceso y en etapas, yo diria que LA PRIMERA FASE DE DESARME NO SE INICIE HASTA QUE NO SE....
    FASE 1
    1. CAPTURE O ELIMINE A LA TUTA
    2. CATURE O ELIMINE A LOS 100 CABECILLAS DE CT QUE DICE PAPA PITUFO
    3. QUE SE HAGA UNA BASE DE DATOS CON PERFILES DE MIEMBROS DE AUTODEFENSAS ACTIVOS CON ARMAS LARGAS Y SE LES DE UN PERMISO PARA PORTAR ARMAS LARGAS EN PUBLICO QUE SE EXPIRE EN MESES CON OPTCION A EXTENSION. LAS EXTENCIONES SEAN BASADAS EN COMO ESTA LA SITUATION DEL APLICANTE Y CRIMEN Y SUJETO A APROVAMIENTO DE UN CONSEJO DEL PUEBLO DONDE VIVE EL APLICANTE.

    FASE 2

    CUMPLIENDOSE LO DE ARRIBA
    1. QUE SE OFRESCA UN INCENTIVO PARA CAMBIAR ARMAS LARGAS, EJEMPLO... UNA BACA, GALLINAS , MARRANO.
    2. SE LE DA UN CERTIFICADO DE RECONOCIMIENTO Y AGRADECIMIENTO POR SU TRABAJO EROICO DE CIUDADANO YA PARTICIPACION EN LA ADM.
    3. SE ESTABLECE SISTEMA PARA DAR PERMISO DE PORTAR ARMAS CORTAS PARA LOS QUE FUERON PARTE DE LOS AUTODEFENSAS EN PUBLICO CON PERMISO CON PLASOS CON OPCIONES DE EXTENSIONES.
    4. A LOS AUTODEFENSAS SE LES PERMITE TENER ARMAS LARGAS, NO EN PUBLICO PARA APOYAR A POLICIA RURAL O EMERGENCIAS CON PLAZO Y OPCION DE EXTENDER.
    5. PERMISOS DE ARMA QUE SEAN PORTADOS VISIBLEMENTE PARA QUE EL CIUDADANO SEPA QUE TIENE PERMISO DE PORTAR ARME EN PUBLICO.
    6. PROCESAMIENTO DE PERMITOS QUE SEA UN PROCESO RIGIDO.

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  42. @ 8:54
    thank you
    and thank you for your detailed, thoughtful comment!

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  43. Thank you 12:52 sorry I am MIA..I have company all week and Easter at my home...

    @1:08 the issue was being dealt with, there were lawsuits filed on behalf of both parties.

    This has nothing to do with autodefensas. It is a personal war, which is why it is irrelevant to speak about it. Hatfield's and McCoys.

    I told Dr M I trust his word, but don't fully trust Americano. But in fairness it may be because of all the brainwashing I had before asking Dr M about it all

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  44. It's not only Hipolito saying that El Americano is surrounded by former CT's! Why would El Americano call El Pollo one his men, ifEl Pollo was a known criminal. Just like the old saying in Mexico goes " dime con quien the juntas y yo te digo quien tu eres"( Tell me who you hang out with and I'll tell you who you are!). I heard that one from my father as a kid and as I got older, I realized that saying with a few exceptions very true!!!! And the people surrounding El Americano just don't pass the Smell test!!!!

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  45. El Americano needs to come clean!

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  46. as i previously stated I am having a difficult time with the good ol AMericano stance and said as much to Dr M. But then again, once something is implanted over and over in ones mind it pretty much takes up residence. and how does one disprove a negative?

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  47. What kind of "Do Good" Animals could hang 4 teenage girls in Public and say that they were working for the cartels? It looks like to me that it was vengeance by the cartels because one or two of these young kids were relatives of the so called "Defense Forces" or in other words "Vigilantes"

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  48. Actions sleak louder than words! Then theres the fact that he us backed by guys with powerful guns just like Tuta! How else to control people than by fear! Him trying to play the victim and say put in peoples head that Hipolito killed El Pollo and that he may be next, hmmm..... The people he has on his side are supposedly regretful criminals, that is just plain bullshit. Criminals are criminals just like child molesters will always be child molesters! Ok one may change for the other 99% that don't! Why is La Ruana different evee since Hipolito got taken to jail why is there fear? Just like the previous posts have said DON'T EVER TRUST A USED CAR SALESMAN!!!! PERIOD!!!

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