Monday, March 10, 2014

During first incarceration El Chapo summoned DEA to "turn in" Arellano Félix

Borderland Beat

"I  had nothing to do with the cardinal’s death (Posadas Ocampo); I was the target and look where I am now and those bastards (Arellano Félix Organization) are doing fine.”
by Anabel Hernandez
Who is Chapo Guzmán? How does he react? How does he negotiate? How does he show his emotions? What does he think towards his family? Who does he hate? What apprehensions does he have?...In 1998 two DEA agents met with the capo, when he was being held at the Jalisco Puente Grande federal prison No.2, the prison from which he would escape in 2001.
They reveal details on Chapo’s personality, which they found as being both charismatic and manipulative.
To the (now) former  DEA Chief of Intelligence in Mexico, Larry Villalobos, and the former Operations Supervisor for the agency, Joe Bond, Chapo Guzmán appeared to be impressive, intelligent, charismatic and manipulative.
They know him very well because they have been witnesses to Mexico’s recent drug trafficing history and had been studying the Sinaloa drug cartel for years. Being interviewed in the United States, they exclusively reveal the details to Proceso about the meeting they had with Guzmán Loera at the Puente Grande maximum security prison in Jalisco in October 1998, which they had a kept in secret until now.
Both agents were stationed  in Mexico between 1997 and 2003. But because Villalobos only retired from the anti-drug agency in 2012 and Bond the following year, the information in their possession is relatively current. Among his recent assignments, Villalobos was Head of EPIC Intelligence (El Paso Intelligence Center), while Bond was agent coordinator for the International Operations Office.
Because of their positions in Mexico, the agents had access to information about Guzmán Loera’s “escape” in January of 2001, successful, according to them, thanks to the complicity of officers in Vicente Fox’s government, in addition to the the prison staff.
From the retired DEA agents’ experience one can get an insight into Guzmán Loera’s personality, his hates and fears, the man considered by the United States government to be the most powerful drug trafficker in the world and who the Mexican government says they captured without firing a single shot.
The Contact
Contrary to what  is widely assumed, it was Chapo who contacted the DEA while being detained at Puente Grande. “In those days, recalls Villalobos, I was at the United States Embassy in Mexico, working with the DEA, when someone representing Chapo came with a message that he wanted to meet with the agency to talk about the Arellano Félix family.
“He wanted to turn them in”.


At the time, Arellano Félix brothers headed the Tijuana Cartel, and according to the federal government version, they initiated the shootings on the 24th of May, 1993 at the Guadalajara International Airport, and while attempting to execute Chapo Guzmán,  killed Cardinal Juan Jesús Posadas Ocampo.
“The United States government couldn’t get involved. We worked closely with the Mexican government under the Ernesto Zedillo administration. We were in contact with Mariano Herrán Salvatti and we also worked with José Luis Santiago Vasconcelos. We told them that a guy had come saying he represented Chapo and that he wanted to see us. We spoke to the DEA in Washington. I knew that the source was indeed a person very close to Chapo”, ex-agent Villalobos relates.
He clarified: “We represented the United States government in Mexico and we weren’t going to harm the case; we had to confirm and coordinate everything with the Justice Department. As we weren’t working alone, we had to collaborate with the Mexican government”.
As the Arellano Félix was the prime target, Washington gave the approval for Villalobos and Bond to meet up with Chapo. Approval from the Mexican government took a few months longer.
Months went by, until one day the PGR gave them permission to visit the famous drug trafficker. They said José Patiño Moreno, an agent from the Public Ministry for anti-drug prosecution, would accompany them, Patiño was later assassinated in Baja California.
The DEA agents entered the prison pretending to be psychologists contracted by the Mexican government to carry out a study on high level prisoners, and to investigate if the penitentiary was respecting human rights. Zedillo’s government provided them with accreditation documentation.
Villalobos said, “Chapo didn’t know when we were going to the prison. We had told his messenger, “If the day comes that we visit Chapo, tell him that we will introduce ourselves as “Tito”, and by that name, he will know it’s us.”


When they arrived, the staff led them to the prison hospital and instructed them to wait in the large lounge.
Chapo then entered.
“What was your first impression?” asked the  reporter of Villalobos, who was then the Head of DEA Intelligence in Mexico.
“He looked incredible, young, in good shape, slim. As if he were eating and sleeping well” answered Villalobos.
The two interviewees continued with their narrative.
Joe Bond introduced himself with the code: “Good afternoon. I am Tito”.

Chapo went pale. Immediately and with clear refrain  he asked: “The three of you?” 
He then dropped to the floor on all fours as he looked under the door in case there was someone listening. “He wanted to make sure that only us would hear  what he was about to tell us”, Bond supposed.
Patiño Moreno then interjected: “Do you know why we are here? To this the convict replied: “They told me they were going to a psychological study, but I already know who you are. Are you all from the same agency?
Bond hen explained; “No, only Larry and I are from Tito. Pepe is from the Mexican government. We have complete faith in him, so you can talk freely.”
Chapo didn’t hold back. He began to say things in a perplexing barrage, firing  five years of pent up hate.
“Chapo… Do I call you Chapo or Joaquín?”  Villalobos interrupted.
“As you wish…”
“Chapo, take it easy, and allow us to ask the questions and that’s how we’ll get to know what you have to say. Alright?”
“That’s fine. Hand on my heart I am going to tell you the truth.”
The Rise of the Empire 
Standing up and with his eye on the mountain horizon out the window, Chapo said “I am not coming back here. I’ll kill myself or they’ll kill me before I hand myself over to the government”.
He had been in prison for five years and he already had many of the prison officers on his payroll.
Villalobos and Bond looked at him astounded. Villalobos had been studying him for years, even before being sent to Mexico in 1997 and Bond was his best pupil. They knew, for example, that one of Chapo’s first significant positions in crime, was as foreman on the El Búfalo ranch, in Chihuahua, property of Capo Rafael Caro Quintero.
Despite his apparent integrity, Chapo protested:
“I won’t leave here. I won’t see my family or my children. I don’t want them to visit or they’ll be killed….I had nothing to do with the cardinal’s death (Posadas Ocampo); I was the target and look where I am now and those bastards (Arellano Félix Organization) are doing fine.”
"What do you want to tell us about the Arellanos? You are Chapo Guzmán. You can kill those bastards any time you want. Why do you need the DEA to go and get them? You can kill anyone, according to what people say, replied Villalobos.
“No, no!” “ What you don’t understand is that I don’t have that power anymore. The people that used to work with me left and are now working for them. It’s alright though. I can’t expect them to stay with me because they have to maintain their families. But I don’t have people anymore. I can’t have them killed nor handed over. I do not have that power.
“And El Güero?”
“No, neither myself or El Güero  have people.”
“What do you want from us?”
“We can work together” Chapo answered anxiously
“The United States doesn’t work with drug dealers. And what’s more, why should we listen to you? If the Mexican government hands you over tomorrow they would give you 50 to 60 years with the charges we have against you. What are we going to give you? You complete the 25 years you have to do here and then they take you away to do another 50, so that way there is no use in us helping you”  Villalobos bluntly replied.
What El Chapo wanted was to negotiate a deal with the DEA,  he would hand over his arch enemies, the Arellano Félix, in exchange for not being extradited to the United States or an offer of a five year sentence.
He also stated his desire that his youngest children (Joaquín, Édgar, Ovidio and Grisela), that he had produced with Griselda López, didn’t follow down the same road of illegal business.
“I want them to be educated, I don’t want them to end up here”, he said.
“It seemed painful to him. He stated that he didn’t want his children to go into the business, as if he were about to cry”, Villalobos recalled with surprise.
However, on the 8th of May 2008, his son Édgar Guzmán López, 22, was killed in the parking lot of a mall in Culiacán, Sinaloa.
Villalobos and Bond affirm that of all his women, El Chapo preferred Griselda. (it was at Griselda’s Culiacán home that Chapo escape through the tunnels-2 days before his capture)
They met her when she went to the United States Embassy to ask for visas for herself and her children. They describe her as being intelligent and totally devoted to her then husband, who also gave her his complete trust.
The federal government said that it had found clues about Chapo in Griselda López’s house, in Culiacán, just days before arresting him.
According to Villalobos, he had to cut short the capo’s sentimental outburst:
“We are not going to talk about that. If you want to hand over the Arellano Félix to us because you hate them, because they are bastards who kill people all over Mexico, that’s fine. We can help you, but you will not get a deal for 5 or 6 years in the States. We can’t do that.”
Chapo nodded.
Villalobos continued, “We spoke for three hours. We spoke about the drug history in Mexico, about the people he knew, the meetings with Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo when he was still free and what they did in Toluca with several police chiefs”.
The former director of EPIC Intelligence says that before going to Puente Grande he and Bond had agreed with their Embassy that they wouldn’t talk about corruption with El Chapo.
“We weren’t going to discuss government issues, such as who Chapo was paying off, etc. That wasn’t what we wanted, Villalobos explained.
But Chapo wanted to and whenever he tried to steer the conversation to political matters the DEA agents stopped him from continuing.
“We would say to him; just talk to us about how you came into power, how this drug federation came about. Talk to us about Amado Carrillo and all the people he knew.
Chapo said that they were all a federation. They were all a group of friends that got on well together and that they had everything under control within the states, on the border, with several people controlling the border areas.”
“We respect each other “Chapo explained. “ You think there is absolutely no respect, but there is. If someone enters a plaza, he looks for who is controlling it and he pays him. Because these people have to pay for other things.  And if another person comes in and doesn’t pay for the drugs, time and people, then that is when a settling of scores takes place.”
Just the same as El Güero Palma, El Chapo was important to Félix Gallardo and Caro Quintero from the Guadalajara cartel, Villalobos commented; “Chapo was responsible for getting all the goods to the border and introduce them into the U.S. The Columbians called him El Rápido (fast one) because he guaranteed that from the time of receiving  goods he would get them into the U.S. within 48 hours; what they didn’t know was that he had a tunnel at Agua Prieta”, the retired agent pointed out.
“Güero Palma” was in charge of the security of goods when they arrived in Mexico. They would find out when the goods were going to arrive and when they would be taken to the U.S., who would control it in Mexico, who would ensure the crossing and who it would be delivered to”.
“I know about their operations, such as when they arrived outside of San Luis Potosí”  Chapo mentioned to Villalobos: he was referring to the handling of a large drug shipment.
“We were successful, weren’t we?” bragged the drug dealer.
“You were incredible!” the DEA Intelligence Chief acknowledged.
The Proceso interview relates that after the fall of Félix Gallardo and the rise of Amado Carrillo Fuentes, El Chapo and El Güero Palma joined with him.
“Very shortly they joined up with Amado Carrillo, who really loved them. And they also loved Amado. They were known as the Juárez cartel, but Amado Carrillo controlled it from Juárez to Veracruz”, Villalobos explained.
He added that Chapo was highly valued within the organization for his efficiency and even in prison he tried to knock down his rivals:
“Juan García Ábrego had just been extradited (1996), although neither Osiel (Cárdenas Guillén) nor Los Zetas were in.  Carrillo and his people’s dispute was more with the Arellano Félix. Chapo wanted to convince us that the problem was them. He wanted AFO to be the target. If we got rid of Arellano, he said, there was going to be no more violence.”
“You get all the details for us, give us something we can evaluate and let’s see what we can do” Villalobos told Chapo Guzmán Loera after three hours of conversation.
“Are we going to see each other again?” asked the prisoner.
“Yes, we’ll meet again.”
They said goodbye to each other. In agreement with Villalobos, the United States government ordered the two agents not to meet up with Chapo again because they were worried that any contact could affect the cases they were preparing.
It is true that the Tijuana cartel leaders were dropping like flies since Chapo had escaped out of Puente Grande. In February 2002, Ramón Arellano Félix was killed in Mazatlán, Sinaloa. It is said that the order came from Ismael Mayo Zambada and Chapo.
Ironically, Chapo was arrested in this same port and in the same month, 12 years later.
In April 2002, Benjamín Arellano Félix was arrested in Puebla and in August Francisco Javier Arellano Félix by the United States marines off the coast of California. He carried out a 15 year sentence in prison and in October 2013 a hit man dressed as a clown killed him at a children’s party in Los Cabos, Baja California Sur.

Correction:

In the last paragraph, the journalist made a mistake confusing Francisco Javier Arellano Felix with Francisco Rafael Arellano Felix. 
If you linked to the Spanish article using the hyperlink at the bottom, you can see the error.

Per Written in original article:
“En abril de 2002 fue detenido en Puebla Benjamín Arellano Félix; y en agosto Francisco Javier Arellano Félix por la marina estadunidense en la costera de California. Purgó una condena de 15 años en la cárcel y en octubre de 2013 un sicario disfrazado de payaso lo asesinó en una fiesta infantil en Los Cabos, Baja California Sur.”

Correction by Chivis: Benjamin Arellano Félix was arrested In Puebla in March 9, 2002.  He was eventually extradited to the US and is serving a 25 year sentence after pleading guilty.
Francisco Javier Arellano Félix was arrested in international waters by U.S. agents in 2006. He pled guilty and is serving a life term.

Francisco Rafael Arellano Félix was arrested in 1993, served his sentence in Mexico then extradited to the US and served two additional years before his release in 2008.  It was he who was gunned down in October, 2013 while attending a child’s party.  Sicarios dressed as clowns executed Arellano Félix in Cabo.
 
 
Source: Proceso

92 comments:

  1. I don't know why people are on this guys nuts ! fucking snitch bitch , did not have the balls to go after CAF by himself only after the Government weekend them. Gallina con guaraches

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    1. He did go after them once he escaped prison

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  2. Chapo is a DEA informant what a scumbag, he and his parasites left mexico in ruins

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  3. Allow me the honor:

    Chapo tried to snitch....

    Basta!

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    1. Chapo working as foreman on the El Búfalo ranch owned by Rafael Caro Quintero caught my eye. DEA Dudes agreeing with their Embassy not to discuss who Chapo was paying off, etc. me dio tanta risa! Strategy,"snitchedy-snitch," sea lo que sea me atrevo decir que da lo mismo en la vida de Guzman Loera. Does anybody recall what exactly Chapo was up to in '84 & '85, there abouts, or where he hung his hat in the days of the CONTRAS, around the time of Kiki Cammerra's killing and when Rafael Caro Quintero was incarcerated? Merely curious. Thx!

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  4. Knew he was a rat

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  5. anyone facing hard time will snitch specially against enemies or people that did them wrong its a cold hard fact

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  6. Ramon was on crazy SOB. He persnolly would hunt and kill you...

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  7. FUN FACT: If you google "CHAPO SNITCHED" you'll get aroung 837,000 results, with some of the top ones coming from BB !! Que tengan feliz inicio de semana !!

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  8. "Allow me the honor"
    "" Chapo tried to snitch "" LMAO

    Oh yeah i,m on it,has that one flew right over peoples heads ?

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  9. Just a note: Francisco "El Tigrillo" Javier Arellano Félix [born 11 December 1969] was arrested off the coast of Baja California by the US Coast Guard in August 2002. He pleaded guilty in 2007 and received life in prison. He remains incarcerated at ADX Supermax, Florence, CO.

    Francisco "Pancho" Rafael Arellano Félix [born 24 October 1949] was killed by sicarios dressed as clowns in Cabo on October 18, 2013.

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  10. when you reach a certain level in the drug trade your survival depends on you snitching. It's part of the game and they all do it....

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  11. Puro snitchaloa plebes,were the good guys, we dnt steal,we,we dnt kill innocents,our corridos are always true,we fight till the end,and we dnt cooperate with governments when we get caught!!! Oh yeah we also pray to malverde,to make our loads go thru!!!! Arriba snitchaloa chavalones

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    1. This dude is probably serious too. Funny.

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    2. Another ahole this guy.

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  12. Number one rule by Mexican gvt order. Cannot talk about political corruption!!!!! And, of course, the DEA obeys and knows the game.
    It shows who is the real power, the untouchables. Mexican politicians and their underlings.

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  13. "anyone facing hard time will snitch specially against enemies or people that did them wrong its a cold hard fact"

    although mexican american gangsters are not immune to snitching, they do hold out for longer periods of time, some forever....some have been doing extremely long stretches in solitary (if thats what you call hard time), or living with prison politics on extremely violent prison yards (what i'd call hard time) and don't snitch....the mexican gangster culture in the US puts a lot of emphasis on going out swinging, never telling on anyone, not even the guy who shot you, as you lay dieing, or to request any help from the government....for example, if the government placed you on a yard full of enemies, you'd better start swinging as soon as you come out of your cell to save face...if you ask the guards to transfer you because you fear for your safety, you are branded a coward....i don't get that from the Mexican criminals in Mexico....I'm not saying its nature because in the end, we are all the same raza, its a case of environment over nature....the mexican-american gangsters in the usa seriously frown upon the killing of children such that your own gang will turn on you and kill you if you commit such a crime....the mexican criminals in mexico will think your tough for killing a bunch of unarmed women and children...thats going to change though,,,,as more prisons get built in mexico, more people will become hardened behind the walls and learn to value real balls, where its all gang soldiers fighting other gang soldiers with knives, face to face. these guys will start to see the fancy narcos ordering the wholesale killing of innocents as weak for not having what it takes to survive behind the walls without paying off the guards, which is also seen as weak in the USA. here they aren't above paying off guards so they get a few extras, or access to a rival, but for protection? they'd be pariahs. i said it before and i'll say it again...it doesn't take any courage to kill someone who can't defend themselves because they are kids, tied up, alone against 30 of your guys. all it takes is having no soul, conscience, or humanity....please don't confuse that with bravery. people snitch here too, but i've never seen it happen as readily as it does in Mexico, those guy tell on themselves, their family, their friends, their protectors within a day of getting caught. in fact, i haven't seen one cartel member who hasn't snitched. maybe they don't and the govt is spreading misinformation. its just incredibly unbelievable how fast mexican cartel members snitch...no honor amongst those dudes. all of them

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    1. Tourture is a bitch it seems, just look at the terrorists who gave up Osama, thise guys are pretty bent on dying for their religion and they end up flipping cause ultimatly everyone cracks. Also in mex the govt can go after ur family, that cannot happen in a civilized country like the US

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    2. What are you tslking about moron in the usa there are prisons just for protective custody sensitive needs yards because of all thr snitching and information givin out there are more snitching in the us so stop because your cholo cagados homies always snitch mexican cholos have no honor no balls no guts to fo time so stop with the same thing you put over and over about in mexico they snitch more when its the usa full of rats.

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    3. @1:33 p.m.old school cosa nostra pre john gotti were the best at holding out and not talking.alot of those guys would die in prison and take their secrets with them.

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    4. American criminals snitch all the time once they realize they are gonna do some hard time!

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    5. @ 1:33

      You are are correct, here in the states they take pride in being incarcerated. These guys belonging to prison gang are doing hard time at PBSP or Colorados Supermax. For example look at Raul Leon, Arturo Castellanos, ect. In Mexico chapo told the marina that El Miado was in the mountains and that El Azul was probably in Guadalajara, that would be and automatic green light here in the USA.

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    6. @9:15 p.m so do mexican criminals when theyre faced with a long stretch in prison! It doesnt matter what country the crook came from if theyre looking at 50 to life theyre gonna start talking real fast!

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  14. I gotta say I've lost some respect for chapo he is a damn rat! He should hill himself for being a snitch,I know this man has killed many people for that same thing.

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  15. Chapo sent dozen of his soldiers to michoacan back In the day dozens of them are buried and/or were cooked in a place called la cruz negra those sinaloas never got to make it back home.chapo always tried to rob other cartels plazas or invade thier home state all wars the majority is because of this dea informant rat chapo

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    1. Stop trying to soud hard we all know michoacan has the pussiest narcos extorting more innocent than anyone

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    2. I'm not talking about extorting I'm talking about templarios back in the day Lfm death squad soldiers tore a lot of those suckers up, learn too read moron, before you start attacking my post

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  16. America is flooded with drugs. They really did a good job and deserve their million$ pensions.
    DOJ report that heroin deaths have exploded! I wonder if that has anything to do with the record poppy production and refinement to heroin.
    Guess they canèt put the dots together.

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    1. Its the perscription drug companies getting kids hooked on expensive sythetic heroin like Oxy and then kids cant afford it when they need increasingly more and start buying stuff with inconsistant purity/strengths

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  17. If being a "rat" gets rid of extortionist, sequestedores, and narco tiendas - then more power to "rats". You wanna be bangers are as stupid as your spelling and grammer would indicate. The reason Sinaloaneses and others within los plazas de Cartel de Sinaloa are "on Chapos nuts" (your phrase is soooo tired dude!) is b/c CDS didn't and so far doesn't "f" w/ civilians. They just move product and aren't killers just to be killers like AFO, BLO, Zetas, LFM and CT.

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    1. Get real fool. Your zeros did nothing but try to move into Juarez and Nuevo Laredo and try to take over. And they couldn't... Don't you know what heating up the plaza is?!?!? Are you that stupid to think no innocent bllood was spilled??? They would go into these areas and kill to get the federales and army to fight the war for them. Traitors were promised the world and gave up their own families to make your nut high hero happy. No one went to Shitaloa because it has no strategic value. Your midget hero has destroyed a generation and fior what? Sucking on tootsies and gobbling nuts while scampering in the sewer. What a great role model you have?!?! Your Shitaloa crew isn't much when the fight gets taken to them. Shit, they even gave up the boss. Probably only took some club soda up the nose. They are on par with the Taliban. Causing problems and running to the mountains. Too bad for you the smurf has short legs and couldn't make it. All you have to do is look around where the poison these fools sells is and there you will find the very definition of the DEATH OF INNOCENCE. Get a life douche bag.

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  18. Youtube "The legend of shorty"

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  19. Solo en uno de los cinco nuevos procesos penales, a Archivaldo Guzmán Loera se le enjuicia por delitos contra la salud, en los demás, se le dictó formal prisión por delincuencia organizada. El capo no cuenta con ninguna sentencia condenatoria por narcotráfico, las que se le dictaron en su momento fueron revocadas. En el juicio de amparo que promovieron sus abogados, se confirma que por el momento no existe orden de extradición en su contra. This is what's happening with chapo rite now.

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  20. Chaputa was scared of the AFO what ,jaja what a rat...he deserves to get wacked...

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  21. And he is probably Snitching like crazy right now to get out of his dead end situation ...

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  22. So what if he snitched,snitching is cool now!

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  23. Fun fact of the day:

    The Mexican Government will ask for Benjamin Arellano back after he serves his sentence in the US because they want to charge him with attempted murder against the citizen Joaquin Archivaldo Guzman Loera. That´s it.

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  24. Notice how he wanted to talk about the corruption and they didn't want to open that box. Which goes to show they have no interest in combating Narcotrafficking. They (DEA angents) just want to pad their resumes with big fish and don't really care about the polluted ponds in our countries (USA or Mexico).

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    1. So true. Most dea don't even believe in the war and drugs and only care about there resume. Same with the politicians.

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  25. Every one tries to help them selves at one time or another. The Arrellano Family came into the US via Otay Mesa (San Diego) with the help of DEA after shit hit the fan in Tijuana. Everyone had papers on hand and walk away shaking CBP Officers hands.

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  26. "DOJ report that heroin deaths have exploded! I wonder if that has anything to do with the record poppy production and refinement to heroin."

    IT HAS TO DO WITH A SEPARATE DRUG THAT IS USED TO CUT THE HEROIN, NOT AN INCREASE IN SUPPLY OR HIGHER QUALITY.

    "If being a "rat" gets rid of extortionist, sequestedores, and narco tiendas - then more power to "rats"."

    WHEN LAW ABIDING CITIZENS CALL THE POLICE, THAT IS NOT BEING A RAT, BUT A GOOD CITIZEN. HOWEVER, IF YOU ARE A CROOK AND TELL ON OTHER CROOKS, THEN YOU ARE A RAT. DON'T MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIM. LOTS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE DIED BECAUSE OF CHAPO TOO.

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  27. PLEASE give it a rest with the personal attacks. Show your intelligence by debating topic...you guys have been horrible today I have trashed almost as many comments as posted.

    ridiculous

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  28. dont know if he snitched or not,dont care realy,but i dont belive in anything goverments throw at our way,it serves their agenda,one way or another...

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  29. Last paragraph has some confusion. Francisco JAVIER AF was arrested by the coast guard and is serving a LIFE sentence in the US.

    Francisco RAFAEL AF served a 15 year term, was released and was killed by the clown murderer at his birthday party last year.

    Can't believe Ana would merge the two into one!!

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  30. Does anyone have an example of any cartel member from any group (CDS, CDG, Z, CT, LFM, BLO, AFO) that didn't give everyone up once he was caught? Organized crime in Mexico is the biggest bunch of snitches around. Its a wonder the government hasn't caught everyone, given the wealth of informants at their disposal. They are doing a good job though. only 100,000 more to go. Once the fear of government political repression falls by the wayside, get some legislation going for a death penalty, but not until then, less it be used to squash legitimate dissent.

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    1. Death Penalty fkr jist looking like a Narco!

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    2. Here's an example: Juan Garcia Abrego CDG. Was given multiple life sentences and took it like a man.

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  31. Good article chivis just read the article and comments but why cant we speak our mind on comments? Just saying...

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  32. I think that what amercian so called gangsters consider snitching is actually called "strategy" within the mexican cartels. Corrupt officials are so widely available that the cartels use them as they would use any other weapon. Cowardly? Yes! But still it's the cartel calling the shots. Having a corrupt official as family is actually something to brag about down there. I'm sure you've probably heard someone say "My cousin is a cop in Mexico, I can do whatever the hell I want." That's what is... Any who. Fuck Chapo that Rat Bastard! jajjajaajaa

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  33. chivis,

    is there any way you can show us the proceso interview with chapo and these 3 guys? they interviewed chapo when he was first caught for 3 hours talking about the history of drug trade in mexico. that would be an awesome read for your american boderland beat readers.

    thanks in advance chivis.

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  34. Is Chapo the Mexican Whitey Bulger ? Bulger served as an informant for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). As a result, the Bureau largely ignored his organization in exchange for information about the inner workings of the Italian American Mafia.

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  35. to the mexican amrican gang dude stop smoking that crazy weed they all rat and you know it american ,black,latino,mexican whatever and if you think that the cartels sing on command they dooooo after getting the crap beat out fo them electrocuted,plasticbag over the head and water boarded they all sing and you would tooo stop actin the macho man they all sing

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    1. R.I.C.O. indictments and mandatory minimums are the tools used to make "gangbangers" into " those getting gang banged" The saying ' I'd rather live llike a lion for a day than a lamb that lives forever" ring hollow when your locked down 23 hrs a day and they confiscate all your money. Wake up peopke. The dope game is dead.

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  36. If you're from the streets call yourselves street gangsters italian mob gangsters or just plain gangster you know the code of the streets.never ever snitch.but in this case sinaloenses are the first to crack.funny how in all penitentiary s sinaloas, always pc'd up and or they get eliminated in prison chapo pedofile guzman gets what's coming too him and that's death behind the walls. Nothing will save him

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    1. Cholo cagado what are you talking about there are whole prisons just for pc pecetas like you and your homeboys.

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  37. SNITCH ,DEDO, RATA WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND AND HE STILL PAYS AFO DERECHO DE PISO SO HE COULDNT BRING THEM DOWN WITH DEA AND GOVERMENT SUPPORT SO WHY IS AFO CONSIDERED WEAK DAM DEA INFORMANT AND IF THEY WANT TO GET TECNICAL WITH IT CHAPO CAUSED MORE WARS AND DEATH THAN AFO DID AFO ONLY KILLED PEOPLE THAT DIDNT PAY DERECHO DE PISO CHAPO KILLED FOR GREED

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    1. Again afo arellanos are done nomore ok no matter what you say ya estubo.

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  38. its funny all this happened to cds after the murder of francisco arellano felix think about it guys all these hits to cds after the murder of the elder of the AFO brothers thoughts anyone cause its right there

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  39. Someone explain how the hell did the Gulf/Zetas cartel took so much territory then? As you can see Chapo said they had operations in SLP and said that Amado had Juarez all the way to Veracruz which today both states (SLP and VZ) are flooded with Zetas and Gulf cartel members not to mention all of MX's Eastern Territory, however I don't ever recall a war between Amado and Osiel.

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  40. CHAPO is just a RAT turning in his own people and till this point never had the ball to finish off THE AFO AND LOS ZETAS AND JUAREZ AND BLO that mistake caused for those cartels to form a lifetime alliance i hear that AFO AND ZETAS have really strong ties but something is going on with blo im not sure but rumors persist that blo are split between with still kepping that alliance dont know why cause AFO is fully restructed but JUAREZ AND ZETAS they will keep that peace its just templarios and cdg and lets wait and see with cds cause im sure zambada dont want to take orders from chapos over porviledge kids and el zaul i truly respect him he just really areal capo like miguel feliz gallardo just lay lowkey and make money and zambada is a chicken head hes like a groopy goes at whos popular at the moment and i beleive in my heart he betrayed chapo cause he knew chapo was crippling thoughts anyone

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    1. You should respect your parens moron. Looser i respect you idiots think by reading blogs you know whos good and bad whos more strong or what cartel or who did what and when morons.

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  41. Now that El Chapo is locked up. Im gonna take over this shit. Hard work and Multi tons of product pushed north. Fuck you

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  42. "Popeye" said egoism would take Chapo down, like it did his boss, Pablo Escobar.

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  43. CarreteraDurangoMazatlan...You are so wrong. So wrong. Chapo heated every plaza in Mexico. The Zetas were formed to keep him out of CDG Plazas. There wouldn't even be Zetas if there wasn't a Chapo. He caused hundreds of thousands of death in Juarez and accomplished nothing. Even with military assistance he failed. 10,000 troupes and his men failed to take the plaza. All the cartels you named that extort, kidnap, take tiendas would have operated business as usual if it were not for Chapo and his greed. Do you not understand that all the soldiers and lookout and weapon costs were a direct result of Chapo and his buddy Calderon's greed and need for power. 90% of the crime increase in Mexico is a direct result of Chapo and Calderon. Don't play that good guy card of Chapo's with us. I have known this crap for 8 years and said it all along but people on the site thought Calderon was a hero. These 2 men ruined Mexico but Mexico is resilient ant it will recover. Please never play that Chapo the Good Guy ever again. Ask all the orphans on the streets of Juarez if he is a Good Guy.

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    1. Amen brother, nobody could have said it better, that Durango is a chapo nut swinger

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    2. 411 The gringos at the US embassy in DF gave you Los Zetas. Afterward, the Z turned on their masters. The rest is history at its most tragic.

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  44. Siskiyou kid
    we know this. but it is not what anabel ended with and I wasn't sure if I should correct it.

    I thought about it and since it was a story about chapo, Anabel's confusion of the two men wasn't that big of a deal. But three of you wrote about it.

    so I guess I will put a correction at the end.

    do you see any other errors?

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  45. Chivis, thank you for the response. I didn't intend to be picky, and I didn't read the original.

    I realize that it really has no bearing on the overall story, which is VERY interesting. Thank you for the time you put in translating it, and no, I didn't notice any other errors in her story.

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  46. chapo is foremost a businessman in an organization that has been around for over 40 years. The comparisons from the Italian mafia and the Los Angeles gangsters to the Sinaloa cartelare few in between. As a businessman to use the governmentto punish and kill your rivals are political move and promote the power you have.for those that think that on ur doesn't drive Chapo , remember that he never sold out his superiors and has only made moves on people within his own cartel that had defected or otherwise change the plans of the business. in the city of Culiacan the Sinaloa cartel has been known as a Sinaloa mafia for their stringent codes and rules. And does any world mafiaa move on an enemy is usually about survival life and death for the organization.gang members from the United States do not operate in such a form up until about20 years ago. Nevertheless there are no large moves that are political or business or economics that will pinata government against another gang.the states are different the goals and objectives are different for local games and drug trafficking organizations or cartels. Honor exists within the organizationand his offer to other organizations up until they betray or declare war.On ur stilt for the members withinwithin any organization just remember that everyone has a price, a motivation, and a reason eventually sell other out. It's not personal it's business

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  47. When ur mortal enemies there r no rules, therefore there is no such thing as snitching, for those who have mentioned it u r all morons!

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  48. for 1:31p.m. Juan Garcia Abrego didn"t rat out on anyone he took his medicine like a big boy.

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  49. kid

    no problem, you are right it should be corrected, I just don't like messing with original articles in their complete form.

    Anabel makes errors in her books and articles, it is amazing to me because she has a team of researchers and writers, proofreaders working under her...one would think....

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    1. Lazy writers are such a drag! Cheers to Chivis, a real journalist! (Thank you for your truly awesome, hard work, Madame).

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  50. Could there be a direct connection how often the Sinaloans snitch and how they all yhink dressing like metro-sexuals is cool? They all look like theyre on their way to a west hollywood rainbow flag club!!

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  51. You guys got it wrong.beltranes went into nuevo laredo,mayo went into tijuana,chapo went into juarez with people that switched sides from the juarez cartel,also azul agreed.zetas werent formed because of chapo they were formed to protect drug shipments.and chapo didnt rat on the arrellanos,he wanted to make a deal to get out and take them out.read the f...in article and i aint no cheerleader you guys that hate on him so much obviously are cheerleading for another cartel. Att. Fuck all goverment and the cartels that work for them

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  52. It's really funny. The guy is taken down now they try to tarnish him. Chivis, no offense, but one thing is obvious. First, I personally knew Amado Carillo. What was going on in those days wasn't snitching. They were eliminating Los Arellono's. They were all in on it. Chapo had tons of power when he was locked up. Carillo kept close friends. Chapo was one of them. That's why there there was peace back then. It was business. Now days there are too many real ass holes in the mix.( Zetas) this wasn't the way it was back then. Arturo Beltranes was a friend in those days, until he took up with golfo's and zetas. It's widely known that once the A F O took out the cardinal and brought in gang bangers from Highland Park in San Diego, the government completely infiltrated them and took them down. This story has tons of inconsistencies. The meeting may have occurred, more often than they are saying. But it wasn't a secret. Every one on top knew it. So I don't place the credibility in it. All you Chapo haters believe what you want, it's just a way to smutt people up.


    ABK

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    1. Jajajaaja personally knew armado Carrillo jajajajajajajjaajajajajajajajaajajajajajajajaajajajajajajaja dejar de oir corridos jajajaja

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  53. chivaaa! let us kill each other please, it helps sharpen the pen and be ready for the real intelectual masters of disinformation, faux news is full of them, their apparent mastery of issues, is only a show of oratory skils, when you start paying attention, the fluff sinks very fast, same thing happens here with some disinformation artists, same thing happens on the forum, where there are many trolls that don't even know they are just some of the biggest trolls around, with a heads full of popo, their technical know how left behind the analytical skills a long time ago.
    you can't even carry a decent argument because the issues are not even understood, both sides can argue about different sides of the same issue without touching the marrow, mainly because of a lack of experience , it takes practice, and we practice on each other, if the space allows for it.
    --also, SNITCHES MAKE BITCHES, LONG LIVE SNITCHES...
    it needs to be understood, people will snitch, at all levels, from all sides, you get on the fuck up train for that gravy, enjoy, it is better than torture or solitary confinement for life, those that do not snitch, end up holding the shity end of the stick 100% of the time.

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  54. Call it 'snitching' but the tijuana cartel a breaking the agreement all the cartels had.

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  55. It has been a known fact that Chapo was willing to rat out his rivals. The AFO, the Carrilos later on and possibly the the BLO. He is a product of what he has been allowed to accomplish. I guess it's game to snitch on rivals and survive in the drug game. Dog eat dog world homies.

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  56. Its not only chapo who snitched so did mayo and any high ranking cds.all these guys sound tough and valiennt in their songs,but its hard not to be when its u and twenty others holding three guys at gunnpoint!! The days of valient men are long gone or dead,especially in the dope game!! The michoacanos rose up,but i feel their leaders thirst for power will soon bring down whats theyve acclompished,new cartel with different name!! All cartels rat on their enemies,its a way of getting them out the way without firing a gun!!

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  57. Juan was good in Tamps. no problems when he was Boss. Ok guy This is great reporting

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  58. Chapo may not get out this time The President does not favor his cartel

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  59. This man took it like a man and Zapo like a little bitch snitch , who ever advocates for this peace of shit is seriously diluted

    http://crime.about.com/od/prison/ss/Supermax-Inmates_3.htm
    García-Abrego was convicted on 22 counts including drug trafficking, money laundering, intent to distribute and running an ongoing criminal enterprise. He was found guilty on all charges and was sentenced to 11 consecutive life terms. He was also forced to turn over $350 million in illegal proceeds to the U.S. Government.

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  60. again, chapo took on the best of the very best, lawyers, doctors, engineers, generals, governors, AFI, DFS, SSP, PRESIDENTS, etc, and all of them kissed ass, the arellanos ended up with two brothers dead, two in prison for a long time, and zetas, golfas, now chapo will be in prison for a long time, so what, when it counted, it was all his.
    --ernesto fonseca carrillo> amado carrillo fuentes> cartel de juarez>
    --miguel angel felix gallardo> arellano felix, tijuana, the hank rohn...don chuy labra, from pedro labra aviles...
    --rafael caro quintero> cartel de sinaloa, chapo, mayo, el azul...blo
    --golfas >zetas, blo cfo afo >police, military, ex-military, wholesale murders...
    today everybody snitching on everybody, the military/police influenced criminal organizations, are sticking it up everybody's ass, they wasn't going to take crumbs forever, they are the experts on kidnappings, extortions, disappearances, and they practice their arts and dirty war experience on today's victims of crime; the top boys on government, duly let them have whatever they can get from the mexican people, not from them or their rich foreign friends, that is where the big bucks come from, from the godfathers in high government positions, who still come and stick it all the way up the mexican people's arses, just like the nazis would come and steal everything off their victims backs, we have gone from vicente fox narco-democracia to narco-fascism sponsored by the global vulture/prophets of the neo-liberal capitalistic libertinism, and None Dare Call it Treason!!!

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  61. La gente que save savra que esta mentada anabel no tiene nada de credibelidad!!! No se olviden por que vicente y el rey estan presos por un dedo beltran! Ahora le achakan lo de camarena a joaquin, por que hasta ahorita????

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  62. Everyone is a snitch! And, if they are not, its because the government chooses not to let them.

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  63. March 14 8:31am.....
    WATCH YOUR MOUTH ... Your opinion dont count to us few real ones ok

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  64. All capos snitch, so what? I'm not saying the killings are good but Chapo and his allies are the only ones who have morals I'd rather they control everything an the Z's that way there wouldn't be extortions or harming of innocents.

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  65. chapo called the DEA at 1-800- PunkAss-Snitch

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