Sunday, November 24, 2013

Mexico vows to stop "vigilante" expansion

Borderland Beat by DD
Villagers dance as they gathered to block the road in response to army soldiers aggedly confiscating a few weapons from the community's self defense group in the town of Los Colonias.   After forming self defense group, they say they are free of Templars
Note DD;  In September Colombian Gen. Oscar Naranjo, adviser to President Enrique Pena Nieto on security issues, warned that armed civilian groups are the gateway to the emergence of "para-states" or parallel state,  and they usurp the powers attributed to the government.

During his presentation at the seminar on violence organized by the Colegio de Mexico, Naranjo made a strong critique of the emergence of these groups, and called it "unacceptable" that they are armed as if they were real cops, as the use of force is monopoly of the state.

 When I posted the story  significance of the story was not that he held such views, but that a high profile figure associated with security in the EPN administration was making his views known in such a public manner.  I further commented that I hoped it was not a prelude to a govt. effort to eliminate or disband the citizen groups.

On the Forum on Sept. 17, (link provided below) I added a comment to the story that the Mexican military killed three vigilantes in a shootout that the military says was initiated when the citizen groups fired on the military.

I don't know the truth of what happened  that day, but the very use of the word "vigilantes" in describing those killed carries a more negative connotation than the description "community police" or "self-defense" group.


The story mentions that concerns have arisen that the self-defense groups may be working with the cartels.  It doesn't mention that the community groups have accused the military of protecting the cartels.

In the earlier article I expressed my concern that Naranjo's comments were a prelude to an effort to eliminate the citizen self-defense groups.  I hope the killing of the these 3 "vigilantes" is not the beginning of that effort.

Columbian General Oscar Naranjo, Security Advisor to EPN


Mexico vows to stop vigilante expansion

Attorney General Murillo Karam
Morelia (Mexico) (AFP) - Mexican authorities warned Thursday that they would not allow vigilante "self-defense" groups to take over more towns in a western state where civilians are arming themselves to combat drug gangs.

Vigilantes are now providing security in six Michoacan state towns after self-defense forces seized the municipality of Tancitaro last weekend following clashes that left three people dead.

Self-defense leaders say they next plan to take over another town, Los Reyes, with about 40,000 
residents, as part of their drive to chase the Knights Templar drug cartel out of the region.

But Attorney General Jesus Murillo Karam insisted that the self-defense groups "will not spread. I assure you."

"The Mexican state will guarantee this," he told reporters in Mexico City.

Michoacan Governor Fausto Vallejo told AFP on Wednesday that state and federal authorities 

would arrest the vigilantes if they try to seize more towns.
Governor Fausto Vallejo

Several vigilante groups have emerged in Michoacan and the neighboring state of Guerrero this year, saying that local police are either unable or unwilling to stop the murders, kidnappings and extortion committed by gangs.

Officials have accused some Michoacan vigilantes of working for another gang, the Jalisco New Generation drug cartel, which is locked in turf wars with the Knights Templar.

The federal government deployed thousands of troops to Michoacan in May in a bid to stem the violence and ensure that businesses can operate safely again in a state that is a major producer of lime and avocado.

But violence has continued.

Murillo Karam said the number of bodies found in 16 clandestine graves recently at the border between the states of Jalisco and Michoacan had risen to 31.

The pits were found after authorities detained and interrogated 22 municipal police officers from Michoacan accused of handing over two federal police officers to the Jalisco cartel.

The federal agents were not found in the pits.

DD Note; If my concerns about the Mexican government moving toward disarming and disbanding the "self-defense" groups, it will be increasingly important to understand the distinctions between "self defense" groups and  "community police".   Many stories use the term "vigilantes" in describing the self-defense groups, but I don't think that is a fair representation.   

The Mexican Constitution, in Articles 2, 27, and 39,  guarantees certain rights of indigenous people to autonomy in self government.  In my opinion, just the right of every human to defend himself also gives authority to what the self defense groups are doing.  The fact that the citizens are joining together for security to do that doesn't change their right to self-defense.

Proceso magazine published the following article on the history and variations of self-defense groups and community police.

Mexico's Community Police and Self-defense Groups: History of Their Variations
Proceso: José Gil Olmos
translated by Thomas Mosley

Insecurity and attacks from organized crime since 1995 have caused various self-defense groups to emerge in at least a dozen states in several regions in the country, mainly in the south. Although they have the same origin, the community police are substantially different from the citizen self-defense groups that emerged earlier this year and have had a key role since then in the Tierra Caliente [Hot Country] of Michoacán.

Some have confused this phenomenon with the United Self-Defense Groups of Colombia without considering their differing contexts, goals, and backgrounds. In that country these groups were created by politicians, soldiers, ranchers, business owners, and citizens to fight the guerrillas, but later they turned into another player within the drug trade business, even becoming terrorists and militiamen.

That has nothing to do with the community policing in Guerrero or the citizen self-defense groups of Michoacán, though some have accused the former of having ties to the guerrillas and the latter to the Jalisco Cartel.

The Community Police arose in the Montaña region of Guerrero in 1995, and over time it has grown and evolved, making way for the Regional Coordinator of Community Authorities (CRAC) of Montaña and Costa Chica [Little Coast, south of Acapulco] of Guerrero, which comprises its own system of security, justice, and a community reeducation program for criminals they detain.

According to their own account,     "in the 80’s and early 90’s the great wave of violence that appeared on the roads of Montaña (now known as the Tlapa-Marquelia highway) and Costa Chica (San Luis Acatlán-Marquelia) in Guerrero drove some of the communities’ residents to join forces against it. At this time, organizations and production companies, mainly in the coffee industry, were also affected because they could not safely distribute their products and economic resources."

That is to say that the origin of the community police is in protecting themselves and  their land. It is part of their [indigenous] conception of collective justice, self-organization, and even self-government. They don’t hide their faces, and they are chosen at assembly elections for merits such as honesty and respect for their community and family. The community maintains them, even though they receive support from their respective governments.

These same causes also gave rise to the Community Police of Cherán, Michoacan, and groups in other indigenous populations of the Purépecha plateau in 2011. That year, the indigenous communities of this area got organized, took up arms, and fought the illegal loggers who were backed by The Michoacán Family and Knights Templar cartels.

Earlier this year in towns of Tierra Caliente, Michoacán, citizen self-defense groups  emerged to defend themselves against the Knights Templar that subdued them, taxing them on business and food consumption and exploiting them for their houses, cars, and even their women. In some ways, they are more urban groups with interests that are more personal than collective, though under the banner of safety they are brought together to defend themselves, their families, and their businesses.

Similar groups also emerged elsewhere in Michoacan, and in Morelos, Veracruz, Oaxaca, and another region of Guerrero where they are called the Union of Peoples and Organizations of the State of Guerrero (Upoeg), an organization led by Bruno Plácido Valerio, who was previously in the CRAC, but is now funded by the government of Angel Aguirre Rivero.

Other communities have expressed themselves with "community patrols" that have not yet reached the organization of community policing or citizen self-defense groups. But just like these groups, they are an expression of utter social dissatisfaction towards the inability of the government and the Mexican state to provide security where it is due.

The differences between these organizations are vast because they have different compositions, structures and objectives, but they all share the common goal of safety.


They are also drastically different from the United Self-Defense Groups of Colombia, whose purpose was never community protection but counterinsurgency and, ultimately, terrorism and drug trafficking.

Previous Stories on BB
http://borderland-beat-forum.924382.n3.nabble.com/Colombian-Gen-Oscar-Naranjo-adviser-to-EPN-says-existance-of-self-defense-groups-unacceptable-tp4058278.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/3-self-defense-vigilantes-killed-in-clashed-with-soldiers-in-western-mexico/2013/09/17/de83aa78-2007-11e3-9ad0-96244100e647_story.html

73 comments:

  1. This is so ridiculous. The government does nothing to protect the people. The cartels control everything. The people stand up, protect the towns on their own, and the government doesn't like that? Off with their fucking heads! The officials, the cartel leaders, need to be lined up and executed publicly. No one is ever held accountable for their actions. Nothing will change unless citizens band together. Mexico needs a real revolution , a new government. - J

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    1. The government are the criminals in disguise

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  2. Cuando el propio gobierno es el enemigo, quedan muy pocas opciones....

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  3. Federal government not doing there job of protecting the civilian population....

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    1. The federal government does not even protect the federal agents or the soldiers they send to keep order in michoacan,as these federal envoys get ambushed, kidnapped and murdered,the state municipal and federal government just keep accusing the missing of deserting their positions and protecting the Mafia of the templarios...who are they trying to fool?
      All the government in the state is not "compromised",it is all corrrupt,and should be exposed all over the us for what it is...

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  4. I think the problem with the self defense groups is they need better weaponry . I think every law abiding citizen should have the right to own weapons that are sufficient for self defense . Sure there would be a unjustified homicide now and then . Probably be some accidental deaths of innocent people . That is something that would be sure to happen . It is a terrible thing when innocents suffer and die . What we have now is the alternative . If we put it on the scale and weigh it we all know how it would tip.

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  5. Perhaps the self-defense groups will call in the Zetas for help in restoring order and human dignity?

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    1. 1:16 Fuck the zetas in the ass! the community police can handle it if a pedradas,the people of Mexico support the CP,the government stepped aside long ago and now they need to stay the fuck away!

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  6. If the government did there job towns wouldn't need self defense groups,epn and all his cabinet needs to step up and do there jobs,the whole country needs to arm themselves and fight all this basterds and then go after the government.they have been fucking the people for too long.

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    1. Somebody says the biggest narco boss in michoacan is a MIGUEL ANGEL GALLEGOS, boss of the familia michoacana and the templarios, but almost nothing is out there about him,is it the money he provided Pena nieto for his presidential campaign?anybody got more dirt on this asshole?michoacan,lets hear it,as loud as possible,and about all the other secret bosses of the criminals...

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  7. This is what is going to end up happening if/when the US decides to disarm us. There is NO reason every police dept needs a tank and an IED proof vehicle, automatic weapons and the 3 billion dollars worth of ammo they have ordered in the last year alone. The IRS, EPA, and even the Agricultural Dept now have billions of rounds of ammo. Scary as hell. In the US we have that right in our constitution, despite what any liberal anti gun fool has to say. Look to Mexico to see what happens when regular people can't defend themselves, the leaders are crooked and the criminals are armed to the teeth. In the US, the scariest thing is the people who vote for people like Obama and look to the government for protection, healthcare, food stamps, and everything else. That is slavery. And FYI, the Police have ZERO mandate to protect you. NONE. "To protect and serve" is just a motto, not a law. The US Supreme Court has sided with law enforcement when sued because they failed to protect over and over again. THEY HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO PROTECT YOU BECAUSE SELF PRESERVATION IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. These assholes who are against the Stand Your Ground laws are fools, especially when it's blacks trying to get rid of it. Blacks successfully use the Stand Your Ground law 4 times more than any other race, and the poor are the ones who need it the most. I swear, sometimes I think people forget that bad guys follow no rules and have enough guns to last ten lifetimes.

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    1. 11:34 how sad that you come to BB to express such ignorance as you have.
      Blacks did not elect Obama all by themselves,there was so many white people voting for Obama,that the Republicans could not steal the elections both times,now after 6 years of obstructionism,they complain about the failures of the government,you are just one more fine example of the consequences of allowing the well paid prophets of the neo-philistines and the neo-pharisees that have fed you that idea of a government small enough to wipe their asses with it,and that making China strong is good for the USA,and that "off-shoring" as many American jobs is a moral duty and their right,and good for the American people.you sir are full of shit,and deep in it up to your teabagging lips...

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    2. All you gun mad folks have never done anything to protect against the gang violence in the U.S..

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    3. What are you bla bla bla-ing about? Oh, and separate your ramblings with those paragraph things. Thnx

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    4. What scares me the most and alot of people don't know is that obama is trying his hardest to ban guns.american gun owners are going to wanna fight back and if obama calls for martial law,there will be civil unrest then obama doesn't have to step down he can stay in office.

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    5. 10:16 you are just another scared little red riding hood,President Obama has not proposed ANY laws that would take ANY legal gun from ANY law abiding citizen of the US.
      You are just one more stupid parrot, repeating the poppycock the robbing hoods that rob the poor to give to the rich keep feeding your sick mind,while offshoring all the American jobs they can to China.
      When they are done,you wil be able to guard your crop of possum and racoon with all of your guns...
      Do you know estupido???

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  8. This is what happens when you have a weak central government. It causes a power vacuum and usually criminals fill the void.

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    1. 11:57 true,and who is complaining that the US government is too big?
      Criminals that want to get it out of the way to ha e it easier to rob and plunder the US...
      Names are all over the place

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      The central gov is strong they just choose to do nothing.

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  9. Why don't you protect the people of Mexico if you don't want them taking up arms, stupid politicians think they know the game. When they probably live in a rich Su urb of Mexico where they are protected. STUPID

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    1. Do you not notice their families live peacefully in the US or Europe?

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  10. With $40 billion in sales every year in a country with an average household income of less than $13K, the temptation is extreme to say the least. I'd be amazed if the military and police were not on the take. We know the politicians are.

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  11. Politicians will lose a lot of money if the CP eliminate the cartels!! They have a lot to lose and are not happy about that..I'm pretty sure they are receiving more death threats as the cartels are getting desperate cause they are losing money also...

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    1. Fuck money,the government are affraid of the revenge of the rabble and the proles they despise so much,remember the deaths of Benito Mussolini and Nicolai ceaucescu
      (you correct the name) of Rumania?or the death of the supreme Libyan leader Omar khadaffi,exemplary deaths at the hand of the people...

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  12. the article from America about Dr Manuel was very helpful. it is useful to get a "second opinion" about what is happening, and to hear the views of the everyday people living in his community. that news article has boosted his credibility a lot. Americans will support him.

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  13. Chivis - looking forward to your next installment about Don Alejo. And BTW, you should answer your emails some time. :-)
    P, CA

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    1. 1:09 Don alejo is an hero,he is dead.
      Right now the push is to support the living heros that are putting what little they have on the line,let's celebrate the dead heros,all of them at a latter time,and concentrate on kicking the criminals on the ass now...
      I don't know about tomorrow,but today,Dr mireles and his people are heroes and they are still alive,today.

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  14. 1:09..
    I promise it will be up after thanksgiving...sorry about the emails, I have been swamped with my foundation work..preparing for posadas, and you are correct I have over a hundred readers emails waiting.

    BTW: when sending emails to me, it helps to put something in the subject line..especially if it is time sensitive so it will get my attention.

    AND....we are receiving an enormous amount of comments this past couple weeks, we always do, but it is amped up. We are doing our best, but know as it states on this page, not all are posted.

    Thanks everyone!

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    1. Mine usually get posted,maybe I am becoming a good enough writer... chivaaa! thanks,share with buggs, havana and all concerned,love BB...

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  15. Chivis - I've been following this page for years, and have always let everyone I know about its existence. I feel the more people that know about the situation over there, the better. I live in a Bordertown in Texas, and have family by marriage, in Mexico. I pray for it to return to the peaceful place it once was. Sorry for the long post. Just wanted to tell you thanks for all the hard work, it's greatly appreciated.
    -J

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  16. My comments never get posted. I was trying to tip you guys off to something important in that long interview that you all were missing completely. For some reason Havana didn't mention it in the Doctor's defense. I should have written to her direcly cause Chivis is to swamped. So my point is write Tijuana, Havana, un Vato etc. dd, directly and lighten Chivis's load.

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  17. Backword gov officials. its not enough they rob the country. They also step on and worsen the abuse against the average person. Despite there warnings i dont the community police care. The gov needs to decide wether there gona help the good guys or bad guys

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    1. 2:38 the Mexican government decided a while ago who they are withy,and who they are going to help,MIGUEL ANGEL GALLEGOS and his Mafia michoacana,including the templarios he supports and put on the front line to cover his ass...

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  18. Tyranny at its best,mexican government afraid of.its own people to start a.revolutionary war against these so called cartels and its corrupt government.i was born in nvolaredo tampz and my.ffather was a mexican soilder back in the 80s n he always tells me.how they would go into towns and.confiscate all firearms thats tyranny.now i live in san Antonio as a American citizen with rights. I thank god and george Washington and the constitution of the united states for giving me th e right tobear arma and defend my family from this scumbags and government. Arm ourselves to fight against this pigs

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  19. Why doesn't Mexico vow to stop cartel expansion?

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    1. 3:31 because the Mexican government IS corrupt and in bed with the biggest of the biggest criminals and drug traffickers, Mexican and international.
      For the Mexican "authorities",it is all money talks,bullshit walks,and the proles are worth even less than shit!

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  20. note to Mexico: the government sucks... turn it over.

    Those that have power, either "legal" or illegal, do not want share... they're greedy. The problem is not a weak federal government it Mexico... it is corruption. After over a hundred years the revolution is still not finished.

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  21. Here's how it works. http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/how-mexico-became-so-corrupt/277219/

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  22. the mexican goverment doesent want armed citizens cause they are afraid of the upcoming REVOULUTION!!!!!

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  23. "Mexico vows to stop "vigilante" expansion" por que sera? Simple, por que los vigilantes no pagan mordidas y los carteles si dan y miles de pesos de mordidas no cuacier chingadera. Sera o no sera esta la rason?

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  24. Proof the Mexican Government is in with the Cartels.

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  25. Here's an idea government.; why don't you eliminate the very things that CAUSE these vigilante groups to form in the first place. THE CARTELS!!! but of course you won't because then too many filthy pieces of s**t corrupt government officials would lose money. The people of mexico have no choice but to take up arms if the government won't do their jobs. Bout damn time too.

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  26. I lived in reynosa from 2007-2012 and u are a 100% right 4:09

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  27. Fucking mexican government if you dont help dont get get in the way si no ayudan no estorben cabrones

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    1. 6:05 dear sir there are no cabrones in the Mexican government,they would be puros Cabrones in a good day,if they were not
      PUROS CULEROS! lets flood the Mexican consulates with our concerns regarding the communitarian police,And make sure to get it on radio and paper news too...

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  28. I didn't get the feeling the good 'doc' or anyone else was looking to take other states. They are just doing a job the gov't refuses to do- protect it's citizens.

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  29. @1:34

    thank you for the kind words we appreciate it more than we can express. and especially grateful for you passing the word along. So Many people, especially away for the border, haven't a clue what it going on...Paz

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  30. people...understand what the meaning of words are, and understand this is from Washington post....reported from afar, and interested in the story ...not appearing in Mexico and discovering the truth. I stay away from American press. What DD is doing is explaining what is being reported and the omissions and errors.
    What is meant by taking other municipalities, has always meant FROM CT. Not to rule. Autodefensas have always said they will help to take away the municipalities from CT and give the villagers arms to police themselves.

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    1. Chivaaa! Check:
      El traficante mas poderoso de tierra caliente
      By froilan Castaneda D. Barriga,blogger
      Blog por un Mexico libre y culto/Email BC,valle,Mexico.
      And see who pays Pena nieto and is behind all the michoacan Mafia mayhem,strangely, very little about his ass is out there,I found 1 photo of him and a few of his houses.
      All yours now!

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    2. 10:17 sorreee!in the excitement of the moment I forgot the main thing the name: MIGUEL ANGEL GALLEGOS, Zicuiran michoacan.born in ejido copales,municipio de la huacana,michoacan.
      el traficante mas poderoso de tierra caliente.

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    3. Miguel angel gallegos is a lie made up by the cts leader to fool people and police to take off heat from him if such a man were that big we will know by know but the true is that the biggest drug traffickers are the same ones that made drogs illigal in the first place you should ask cia if you do not believe me

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    4. 11:43 MIGUEL ANGEL GALLEGOS bought the CIA a while ago,and his comadre Pena nieto is in bed with him...

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    5. 11:43 thou shall not misinform,not one templario has mentioned Miguel Angel Gallegos,ever,not here nor anywhere,not the holy name of the faggot boss! only a little lowly cucaracha he pissed off.
      All of his money can not fix this.
      MIGUEL ANGEL GALLEGOS,the biggest drug trafficker from tierra caliente michoacan,run to the hills,bitch,the people will come for you,thank your sicarios!!!

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  31. there was a comment asking why Dr Manuel could be taking over surrounding areas. first, I don't know him personally so I have not verified his movement. so far his autodefensa movement looks genuine. how do I know? because if they were corrupt, the authorities wouldn;t be trying to disarm them. sad, but true. but here's the thing. The Doctor only has a communty of a few hundred people. how can they defend that with limited support? not easily. perhaps not at all. so unless they get other commuity groups to join them and they expand the terrirotry of the autodefensas, they are very vulnerable. therefore, do not necessarily read bad intentions into their actions. certainly not yet.

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  32. "Why doesn't Mexico vow to stop cartel expansion?" Dude, the Mexican government (as well as the military) is bought and paid for by the cartels. Of course they are against the vigilantes - they threaten the existing arrangement between the cartels and the government. In Mexico as in the US a revolution is necessary to restore the republics.

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  33. Those ppl should never give up their weapons and RISE UP!!!! As we say down south theyll pry my guns out of my cold dead hands! These rednecks are armed to the teeth and will kill you for them! They live and breathe the 2nd amendment.the self defense groups need to be like that as long as the polititians and police are on the take from the cartels!! Well most of them anyways!!

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  34. @10:17 ok...you got me all excited and I can't find exactly what you are speaking of...PLEASE send me the link directly to it. I am tired and old :)
    BUT vato sent me an excellent article from el diario juarez by riva palacio. I think he will translate it for English speakers, if not I will, but his translations are so much better.

    also in proceso a LOOOOONG article about Mireles and the rumors against him...never any proof.

    Most media is now in support of him or cautiously supportive. You know how it is, anything that appears good in Mexico has us always waiting for the other shoe to drop....

    To the reader responding to the reader saying Mireles is cjng...saying to him "prove it" EXACTLY ...I say that all the time, if I had something to support that nonsense I would post. words do not make lies so. If he is CJNG they sure are providing shitty weapons and equipment.


    9:43PM...you cannot possibly know how we appreciate your comment, on this long day of dumbass unappreciative complainers and nitpickers. not many but all it takes is 2 or 3 to make a person not want to put forth the effort. But we know, and Buggs was commenting on it today, it is only a couple of people like that, we have the best readers period! I can't even estimate how many send me info thru comments or email, who offer to translate, or edit, or just to say they appreciate the job. Thank you, thank you!

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  35. I think your right chivis. I think the Mexican people are highly skeptical of things that are almost to good to be true. Trust is hard to come by

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  36. Chivis - do not give up hope on this issue with Dr Mireles. if you are supporting hi mand have done your best to check him out - that is helpful. but part of the solution right now might lie in your emails. nevertheless, i would rather that you rest, have a happy Thanksgiving, and hold onto hope!
    P.

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  37. "Naranjo made a strong critique of the emergence of these groups, and called it "unacceptable" that they are armed as if they were real cops"

    Very true, these armed civilians should respect local state and federal laws just like the drug cartels do.

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    1. 8:54 giniral naranjas surely knows those cops are not real cops,he should shut the fuck up,his blabbering proves he is just a glorified Colombian pumpkin...

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  38. about the two articles posted then taken down. Lets just say Buggs had his reasons for taking his posts down..

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    1. Yeah, what was up with that? And how will the doc stay safe?

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  39. Chivis@1:20
    -MIGUEL ANGEL GALLEGOS
    aka el traficante mas poderoso de tierra caliente
    -by Froilan Castaneda D'Barriga,blogger
    -blog Por un Mexico libre y culto
    Maybe any or all of those lines will help,I just typed the one on top,or Miguel Angel Gallegos, images,the guy wearing a white shirt with red. vertical stripes.knowing you as I do,I know it will be worth your while,he is atop of all the biggest templarios,like him there are more big madrotas behind the most evil and famous narcos,I am sure.may the excitement last...

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  40. "Very true, these armed civilians should respect local state and federal laws just like the drug cartels do."

    Hahahahaha! Good one, amigo. :-)

    The emergence of these auodefensas poses a real policy headache - not only for Mexico - but also for the USA. It is clear that the Mexican and US Gov'ts are cooperating at some high level in the takedown of top figures of the cartels. But Mexico appears to totally ignore the plight of its ordinary citizens. And the US Gov't does not have any policies that help the establishment of law and order in local neighborhoods.

    Hence the arrival on the scene of the "autodefensas" poses a growing challenge - or question - to the Mexican and US policies in the region. If these autodefensas are genuine citizens groups trying to protect themselves (only), then they represent a form of grass-roots democracy. It should be encouraged - not opposed. To oppose the autodefensas would be to align policies so that they support the corruption and favor the cartels.

    Hence the big question remains - who really leads the autodefensas, are they honest, and what are their real goals??

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  41. Finally the Mex. Gov. is scared to dead of this movement. These people want their country back, and Pena is afarid of them. Where do I send my check to Dr. Mierles?

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  42. General naranjas,what IS UNACCEPTABLE IS,that the federal state and municipal governments have become so thoroughly corrupt,that they send federal police there to be killed,and soldiers to be kidnapped and tortured.
    So Mister giniral naranjas we know you must kiss ass,the ass that pays you so good,but don't mess with the communitary police,chances are that will be your Waterloo..

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  43. I have a great idea....instead of vowing to stop the spread of auto defenses and disarming them, why not stop the spread of cartels and their violence instead ?
    Seems logical to me.

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  44. that obama an't taking my guns

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    1. 11:59 PRESIDENT OBAMA DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU OR YOUR GUNS...
      you really are a good example of a brainwashed fool who does not respect the president of the US nor the office he represents.
      Do you know who is the commander in chief of the armed forces of the US?
      Do you know what a well regulated militia is?
      If you can not mention any laws that the president has proposed to take any Guns from any law abiding citizen,then you must be a crazy brainwashed robot,poor little you! See a psychiatrist, fool

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