Tuesday, October 22, 2013

After a Temporary Ban Facebook Allows Decapitation Videos to be Posted (Update FB Reverses it's Decision)

Borderland Beat posted by A.J. BB Forum
UPDATE: FB has reversed its decision see bottom of this post for more....

 
By Leo Kelion of BBCFacebook is allowing videos showing people being decapitated to be posted and shared on its site once again.
The social network had introduced a temporary ban in May following complaints that the clips could cause long-term psychological damage.

The US firm confirmed it now believed its users should be free to watch and condemn such videos. It added it was, however, considering adding warnings.

One suicide prevention charity condemned the move.

"It only takes seconds of exposure to such graphic material to leave a permanent trace - particularly in a young person's mind," said Dr Arthur Cassidy, a former psychologist who runs a branch of the Yellow Ribbon Program in Northern Ireland.

"The more graphic and colorful the material is, the more psychologically destructive it becomes."

Two of the firm's official safety advisors have also criticized the decision.

Facebook allows anyone aged 13 and above to be a member.

Its terms and conditions now state that it will remove photos or videos that "glorify violence" in addition to other banned material, including a woman's "fully exposed breast".

New rules

The BBC was alerted to Facebook's change in policy by a reader who said the firm was refusing to remove a page showing a clip of a masked man killing a woman, which is believed to have been filmed in Mexico.

It was posted last week under the title, Challenge: Anybody can watch this video?

"Remove this video too many young innocent minds out there shouldn't see this!!!" wrote one user in the comments section below.

"This is absolutely horrible, distasteful and needs to be removed... there are too many young minds that can see this. I'm 23 and I'm very disturbed after seeing a couple of seconds of it," wrote another.

The social network later confirmed it was allowing such material to be posted again.

"Facebook has long been a place where people turn to share their experiences, particularly when they're connected to controversial events on the ground, such as human rights abuses, acts of terrorism and other violent events," said a spokeswoman.

"People are sharing this video on Facebook to condemn it. If the video were being celebrated, or the actions in it encouraged, our approach would be different.

"However, since some people object to graphic video of this nature, we are working to give people additional control over the content they see. This may include warning them in advance that the image they are about to see contains graphic content."

The firm also disabled the adverts for third-party products that had been appearing alongside the video.


Advisors concerned

Facebook originally pulled decapitation videos after the Family Online Safety Institute - a member of its Safety Advisory Board - complained that they "crossed a line".

The charity's leader Stephen Balkam told the BBC he was surprised by the latest development.


"I would have expected a heads-up on this," he said.

"I went to have a look at the video and there's no warning label nor is there any condemnatory context. It's just sort of up there and the first image you are presented with is a woman's head being held by a guy.

"I'm very unhappy that these have gone back up and that they have gone up without any warning. First thing tomorrow morning I intend to raise this with Facebook."

Another of the board members, London-based Childnet International, said it also had concerns.

"Such content should be taken down," said its chief executive Will Gardner.

"There is a need to raise issues happening around the world, there is that argument, but some content is horrific.

"We would want to see steps to try and protect people from coming across such content. I'll tell Facebook what our view is, absolutely."


'Profoundly shocking'

Decapitation videos are available elsewhere on the net - including on Google's YouTube - but critics have raised concern that Facebook's news feeds and other sharing functions mean it is particularly adept at spreading such material.

"I have seen some of these videos - they are profoundly shocking," said John Carr, who sits on the executive board of the UK government's Council on Child Internet Safety.

"Facebook has taken leave of its senses. Those videos will fuel countless nightmares among the young and the sensitive."

The idea of Facebook issuing a blanket ban had, however, concerned some freedom-of-speech campaigners who had suggested it was the responsibility of parents - not the company - to protect children on the internet.

However, the French digital rights group La Quadrature du Net said it was still concerned that Facebook was reserving the right to take down the videos if it took issue with the way they were presented.

"It shows how much Facebook is in power to decide whatever will or will not be expressed through its network," said the organisation's co-founder Jeremie Zimmermann.

"It plays a profoundly anti-democratic role when it makes any such choice, whatever the limits are and whatever the good reasons it uses to make the decision. Only a judicial authority should be able to restrict fundamental freedoms according to the rule of law."


UPDATE: FACEBOOK is rethinking and reversing it's decision has removed clip.

Now, All Things D reports that Facebook has decided to backtrack once more, updating its policy on violent images and removing the aforementioned beheading clip.

It’s a bit of a delicate issue for Facebook because on the one hand, it likes to champion free speech and expression wherever possible by not policing what people say and post, but on the other hand, some things are just too damn offensive and sickening to be allowed where anyone could stumble across them.

Officially, Facebook’s new stance is that in order to prevent the “glorification of violence”, it’ll be more rigorously enforcing its policies on violent images and media. This means taking a “holistic” approach regarding the context within which each video is posted, considering whether or not it was shared responsible with appropriate warnings so as not to offend those who don’t want to see it.

The net result of this is that in fact, Facebook’s policy hasn’t really changed much at all. This is just a reaction to the public outrage over that particular clip, and illustrates just how difficult a balancing act censorship on the web can be.
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63 comments:

  1. Some Doctor in Ireland? Funny! Welcome to the border and its way of life.

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  2. I'm for this. All atrocities should be exposed, and if it makes people aware of what is really going on throughout the world, and especially Mexico, it's a good thing, provided they treat these videos with the same reverence that the readers of BB do.

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  3. The well had already been poisoned....eff it!!!!

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  4. Im glad fb is allowing these videos since BB doesn't show them anymore. Im sorry but your decision not to post those videos goes against everything you claim to be about....especially for a site claiming to report on Mexican Drug War Violence

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    1. @11:03

      I love the work BB does and they have guts to provide us this information but I'm with you on this. Although they have posted several beheading videos on here but not all. After all that is their work and should release that information to us (The Readers). Only my opinion not talking down nobody.

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    2. I believe people need a wake up call...

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    3. I'm with BB administration on this issue. If you want a Mexican drug cartel gore video, it is easy to find on the internet. One can learn about the cartel violence through the reporting without the sensationalism and disrespect for the deceased and their family. Also, it plays into the machismo glorification of death by the thugs involved by giving them a forum to play their recorded executions.

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    4. Agreed my friend

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    5. Send the videos to the children of
      El presidente de mexico,enrique pena nieto,so they can see how the "proles"live, for that matter,send them to the children of all politicians,so they can ask their daddies why that is happening,and how much money it makes for them...

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    6. They will never feel the emptiness I've felt for over two years now! I lost my children's father in mexico because of this war! Kidnapped.. robbed and killed! It took two years for them to finally tell us he was in a grave in Monterrey. If it was up to me I'd blow up there whole fukn country. They took the best thing in our life and I hope they all rot in hell.

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    7. For every crime that takes place in Mexico,all the different crime fighting organizations can and will arrest their own well confessed perp. they are infallible, they always make sure that the real perps are home safely...

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  5. 'Merkins are soooo squeamish. One thing different between US news and LatAm news ... LatAm doesn't hide the bodies or wait for the scenes to be 'cleaned up' before broadcasting. The US whitewashes everything so as not to hurt their viewers delicate sensitivities. Its okay, but it is one of the reasons the general 'Merkin public can talk of war, murders, nasty car wrecks, etc without feeling or caring about it. Its far away and clean in their minds. They've never seen the reality of certain actions. Its purposeful naiveté on the part of US media.

    Show it. Want teens to stop texting and driving? Show the mangled or charred remains of those that do. Its not little children living in bad neighborhoods don't already see the bodies of murdered people lying around before someone comes along and throws a blanket over them.

    My .02

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  6. I think they should band them since its so hard to walk in in the stores with out scaring white ppl out their socks I mean gosh they are already scary enough. They think im gonna pull out a bazuka out my shorts or some shit. Yet on the internet they are hard core

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  7. Im still waiting for that video of Z42 cooking golfo pozole

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    1. Doesnt exist. It was originally a video about two syrians captured. Youtube 2 syrians captured and beaten

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  8. Show them it can't get worse! !

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  9. I have seen some sick shit on Facebook and it's truely amazing how our younger generation reacts to these videos. I am in my lower 30's and I don't think I am to far apart from the younger ladder but it's headturning how kids applaud these videos. They tag their friends in the videos, " look dude ", " awesome video ", " that is how it should be done ". These are all kids, likely 18 and younger and exposed to such violence. Most parents don't even know what their kids are watching over the web. Sex videos, bloody violence should not be allowed on FB. I don't want to see that shit on FB and I don't want young kids watching that either. I am not a sissy by any means, I have watched some of the videos here on BB and have followed the drug cartel war since the early 2000's. There are just some things that should not be posted or allowed to be posted on FB.

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  10. Why not show the things going on violent or not

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  11. what if the woan being decapitated is toples, will that get banned from facebook?

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  12. i'm glad that bb doesn't post these kind of videos, you don't need to se more videos to realized that violence in méxico is taking many lives, bb posted some videos before, why do you want to keep wathing those kind of videos? you are not gonna do anything anyway, have you?

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  13. speaking as the parent of two kids - there is no conceivable way that FB should be posting material like that. kids at 13 years old are in their own techno-junkie time warp. they do not understand reality, and this material shouldn't be on their radar screen. this decision by FB simply demonstrates to me that the people running it never reached adult maturity themselves.

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    1. Kids that live where this is happening dont get the time warp you speak of.your kids dont understand reality because you shield them from it.odd that you use the term junkie.american brats that think that they have it so damned bad are where the money for the sword is coming from.

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  14. Im deleting my fb account as this is just rediculous.we know what goes on in the world but fb is not the place for it.bestgore is a better site for those videos.what next? Gonna film someone taking a shit live and call it free speech? Only mentally deranged people would enjoy watching a decap video!

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    1. @ 4:34 sounds like you are little p**** not everybody knows what's going on around the world that's just what you think .stay under your blanket ceca feel safe you just the scary little b****

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    2. They have it in youtube,or post your own...

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    3. @8:16 p.m i have worked as an EMT and a field medic in the u.s army.what have u done? You sound like u dont have all your marbles.i have seen all kinds of gory stuff and still say fb is not the place for it so go fuck yourself!!

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    4. Sangre y Plomo has always been better than shitgore.

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  15. Why would anyone enjoy watching these videos? Yall are disturbed people.

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  16. It's about time!!! I am gettin sick n tired of watching "modern family" and "two and a half men" there's nothing like a good. decapitation video before I tuck in at night.

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    1. ja ja ja good one lol

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  17. All truth should be seen by anyone who seeks it.

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  18. Maybe obama will see it and do something about it

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    1. This is México, not the US or Africa. You know very well he ain't going to do shit, he can't even fix the Obamacare shit he got the USA into.

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    2. This shit with "Obama care"looks like a very deliberate attack on the system,there are systems like that up and running and all the bugs come to this one? definitely this is on the enemies of the president, time will tell

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    3. Some of these people live in usa and kidnaped taken to mexico and killed some never to be seen they R U.S citizens and our loved ones we would likr for obama to help here in the rio grande valley ..

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  19. Ha, you think this shit never happened in ireland?? Ever hear of the I.R.A?? Full on war against england in the 70's through the 80's and 90's they have an uneasy peace treaty now though. Of all the shit your cartel s can think and cook up the I.R.A has done it way harder and way harsher. I think you aught to look into history if you don't think ireland hasn't had it's share of war and atrocity. In fact i'd be willing to bet your cartels are working with them, the ira has sick baughm making skills. Nasty shit

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  20. A couple of comments. BB never stopped posting execution videos, to ignore how cartels conduct themselves would be doing a disservice to those truly wanting information and truth of the Mexican Drug War.

    That said there is a shift in the landscape of the war where it is noticibly quieter in the NE, where many of the vids originated from, and elevated on the pacific and southern regions where execution videos are not used as frequently as the NE.

    So we have narco blogs notorious for "creating" stories when the war is slow, that have been posting ridiculous stories and videos claiming they are of the Mexico drugwar. A reader here said her still has not seen the CDG BOILING ZETAS video.

    Well...first of all it is not even of the Mexican drug war, but of Syria. Secondly no one is cooking. Just a couple guys, stuck in a barrel being bitch slapped, and taking it pretty well. If you go to BDN they claimed the video was removed by youtube but "if you find a copy please send to us" yea right.

    here ya go bdn here is a copy:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ac7_1366267861#MrDC5lOueAr7D4vG.99

    We have posted things that turn out to be a false story, but we do a pretty good job of filtering such stories, much of it is common sense and logic. But for months fake stories have been posted by that same group. People on social networks are warning readers about it. ...Paz, Chivis

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  21. Heaven forbid people know the reality of what is really going on...hard to stay in denial and ignorant bliss if those video's are available to be viewed. They must fight for their right to receive censored news, and avoid anything negative. This world is full of idiots. These are the people that are shocked and appalled when something happens in their neighborhood. Lord help us all!

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    1. The idiots that want to view these videos must not be able to read or have any reading skills so they need pictures.these are not video games these are real ppl dying on them!!!

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  22. This is why I deleted my FB account. They are a bunch of criminals - as bad as the narcos themselves. I want to see someone in Zuckerman's family getting beheaded and then see how the bastard feels about it.

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  23. Waay more interesting are the videos of people confessing and crying when they are caught, asking for mercy,saying they have repented,or that they are new men,or women,the tribulations of the perps,even when humanily treated,should deter the wannabes,if not,they will be welcome to prison,sooner or latter

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  24. this person is a piece of shit. i am a gringo, and live in mexico. come and try to do me the way you did that woman. i was in the marine corp, i am 68 years old, and you cannot take me out. only women is your preference. because you are nada. is your mother proud of you???

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  25. Chivis, with respect you are wrong....BB did not post the vids or even MENTION in a story the past 2 or 3 execution videos (which came from CDG).

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  26. Great now I can pop some popcorn,click on video and watch people how the victims squirm before getting hacked,just makes my stomach go into violent circles but since I'm so perverted I get off on this...by BB loyal reader..

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  27. Are WWII Atrocities banned from face book?

    "Why would anyone enjoy watching these videos? Yall are disturbed people."
    Someone asked @ October 22, 2013 at 4:42 PM"

    Why ?????
    Auschwittz
    Dachau
    Treblinka
    Sobibor
    & way too many more to list here.

    These poor souls in Mexico have suffered horrible deaths and if neglected could develop into something far more sinister than it already is .

    You ask why not hide these videos? Why continue to show repeatedly the war crimes of WWII ? To show society that these acts against humanity
    cannot and will never prevail against humanity again .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH98iTYLrv4


    "Dont rejoice in his defeat, you men!
    Although the world stood up and stopped the bastard,
    The bitch that bore him is in heat again."

    Bertolt Brecht (1898 - 1956)

    Question : In Mexico tell me where is God?
    Answer: Where is Man ?

    Firmado Y Sellado : Roughrider 1898

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  28. Thanks Ms. Chivis. That explains the situation nicely. There does seem to have been a downward trend by Mexican organised criminal groups in using the videos. Why do you suppose blogs have chosen to fabricate stories? I read in American reports that the woman portrayed as on the run in fear of her life was a sham, to sell books. I recalled you being quick to say that yourself. Despicable actually, and destructive for people such as myself who are far removed from Mexico who hear reports are fabricated makes us question what is real, and not. I have never had a reason not to trust BB or you.
    Best,
    澳門
    -Macau-

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  29. FB is for chicks and kids. The videos should be shown on the major news networks: FNC, CNN, BBC, etc... Then we can have a realistic debate about the merits of the drug war and drug prohibition.

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  30. This flip-flopped and has been reversed. They are banned again.

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    1. Who says they are banned again?

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  31. i don't have a problem with certain sites showing these videos.
    personally I have strong doubts about anyone who wants to put this blood-porn into their own brain. it damages everyone, not just kids. EVERYONE.

    but this isn't about freedom of the internet.
    it's about FB in particular.
    the people running FB haven't got a clue. they either need to limit readers to 18 years old, or grow a real sense of responsibility.

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  32. Yep...Facebook caved under pressure and now is banning the videos.
    see update on my post...

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  33. Yup FB caved in like BB. No more videos on real reporting.

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  34. u that get off on this needs to be held without charge and sent to Mexico and placed in the hands of these sick demons and see how it feels to be at there mercy... all this occurs because of ur addition to drugs....70% of all drugs from Mexico comes to the USA....you are as guilty as that guy that beheaded that women and her children..all you that support the use of any drug should be imprisoned for life without parole because ur selfishness and it's all about me has caused mayhem throw out the world and children to suffer...may god forgive you for what you continue to do and have done upon the innocent..... .

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    1. @12:02 p.m i am from u.s.a and i dont put a damn dime in their pockets and nobody i hang with does.we HATE that shit and bitch at the ones we see that do.thats not fair to think everyone in america are junkies just like not everyone in mexico is a narco or involved with them! The mexican citizens need to arm themselves and rise up!

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  35. 12:02 pm, after reading your post ,it seems you lack education and comprehension .why would you insinuate that 11:05 p.m. uses drugs the young chap was just making some popcorn before the film. Do you live without sin ? Please let us know , before you come here to pass judgement on anyone .

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  36. Look at all the talking head cowards,we can bomb and kill,let babies die of dirty water,we are all hypocrites who hate each others races,but dont put videos on the internet,it upsets us?My god,,, people.Why i love animals.Fuckin idiots and followers.

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  37. Group Anonymous pls shutdown FACEBOOK !!! for protest this ;/ This women im cry FK STUPID PPL I HATE PPL i hate me to see this i cant sleep when see this ...

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  38. well buddy how can we arm ourselfes if we cant buy guns and if we do buy them and get caught with a fire arm we will end up doing at least 10 summers locked up... seems the u.s. only arms the cartels this is a war no one will win.. drugs will keep flowing north.. ever wonder why no heavy drug dealer in the u.s hardly ever gets busted???? well let me tell you why police bust a few kilos of coke at the border which they sell or give to undercover agents which make money of the merchandise then bust who they sold it to take all their money cars houses then sell them and make more money... cops bust a 20 year old kid with a gram of coke 5 years probation and ten thousand dollar fine make more money... ever think of how much people get arrested for possession alone... its a never ending story and a fat cow to milk and of course the money ends up at the top of the food chain with the state and federal judges attorneys and all the big government fish...

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  39. 12:45 am, they are all full of s*** ,its job security for law enforcement its a buffet of overtime. they are worse than the dealers because they're robbing the taxpayers and letting the drugs come in .

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  40. Honestly, Chivis is rather well known. Posting her photo won't really make much of a difference. We're in your corner, Chivis praying

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  41. I would watch if it was
    Mark zuckerberg.

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