Thursday, August 15, 2013

Malaysia: Mexican Brothers Lose Appeal on Death Sentences

BorderlandBeat.Com

A Malaysian court on Wednesday dismissed an appeal by three Mexican brothers of their convictions and death sentences for drug trafficking.
The men still have one more opportunity to appeal to Malaysia’s highest court after a Court of Appeals rejected their bids to be released.

The Mexicans from Sinaloa state were arrested at a secluded Malaysian drug-making factory in 2008 and said they had been cleaning the place.

Police found more than 29 kilograms (63 pounds) of methamphetamine worth 44 million ringgit ($15 million) at the factory where they were working as maintenance men.  The owner of the factory and others were set free.  The men had only been in Malaysia for a couple of months.
Malaysia’s High Court convicted the brothers — Jose Regino, Simon and Luis Alfonso Gonzalez Villarreal — of drug trafficking in May 2012. The crime carries a mandatory penalty of death by hanging.
 
Defense lawyer Kitson Foong said the men and their family were “keeping their hopes high” that their final appeal will succeed.
 
The Mexican government said it will continue to help fight the sentence because, despite a guilty verdict, the country opposes such form of punishment. It said the embassy there will be reviewing the defense appeal that will be filed in the next few days.

“Mexico’s government regrets that Malaysia is upholding a death sentence against the Gonzalez Villarreal brothers,” says a statement by the Foreign Relations Department. “It will exhaust its legal resources aiming to revoke the death sentence.”

The brothers are the first Mexicans held in Malaysia on drug trafficking charges. They worked making and selling bricks in Mexico, and their family said they left for a job opportunity abroad.

The Mexicans come from the state of Sinaloa, cradle of their country’s drug trade, but have no criminal record at home. Their relatives insist there was no sign they were involved in the drug trade.
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family gets the news

Chivis:

My husband and I have worked our business in the Pacific Rim for 3 decades.  Beginning with Taiwan we have lived in several of the Asian countries, including KL Malaysia.  Malaysia is a Muslim country and one with the majority of citizens hating Americans.  Some of the architectural meetings for the 911 tragedy were held in Malaysia, after 911 we sold our offices and home and moved out of the country

 It was in Malaysia that I first learned of a practice of servitude being conducted there. 

Servitude or debt bond slavery is practiced in two ways.  One is a head hunter in Mexico, or Central America recruits workers with promises of high paying jobs that contract for a year.  They promise training that they will cultivate a career out of and return to their country with.  They agree and are taken to an Asian country and passports taken away, and the men or women are "resold" or a recruiter will find workers for a direct transfer. 

 This practice is slavery.  Money is never paid because there always is a "debt" to repay, for travel, food, and housing.  They do not have; freedom to leave the premises at their choosing, money, or passports.   They are told they will be severely punished if they go to the police because they are in the country illegally.  They speak Spanish, which is one of the reasons they are attractive to those who entrap them, it limits who they communicate with.  This can continue for years even decades.  They are threatened, beaten, women are raped. 

 When I heard of this story of this story and when journalists travelled to Sinaloa to get a sense of the brothers only to find zero criminal history or ties, and that a man at the soccer field was telling them about these high paying jobs, everything clicked with me.  I highly doubt that these men knew they were going to work with drugs.  And forget Sinaloa Cartel running drugs in Malaysia or any Asian country with the Triads in control.  Mexican cartels buy the precursor from Asia and make drugs in Mexico or Central America not cut into the business of the Asian mafias at their homefront.


It appears that Muslim countries are the guiltiest of this shameful practice, but also Asian countries.  The Philippines, Bangladesh and other impoverished countries are affected.    Young women and teens are promised modeling jobs which turn out to be the sex trade. 

 
The fact that no one but the brothers ended up taking the rap, after being there for such a short period of time, and the tampering of evidence, along with other facts leave a strong doubt of their guilt.  But that is typical in Malaysia the big fish never fry, just little patsies like these brothers.  Their downfall surely was not helped by public opinion that they were from Sinaloa; there has never been a connection to CDS or any cartel with the brothers. 

 I concede it is difficult for one to understand this practice, without living there and seeing it for yourself, or know of someone who has.  

 Even if guilty of running the machines or cleaning them, they certainty do not deserve death.  In Malaysia they hang people even for Marijuana.  Yet capital punishment has done nothing to curb the drug problem or any crime, for a couple of years a momentum has grown to abolish it because it has not help with crime. As previously stated it is seldom the drug trafficker or person heading the operation that is convicted.  And in other cases this prosecutor is under scrutiny for fabricating evidence and destroying evidence that would exonerate.  Evidence was lost and tampered with in this case as well.   

Mexico is a "Tier2" country in Involuntary Servitude abuse.  the lower  the number the most abuse.  They are in with countries like Libya Sudan and Russia.  The chart below depicts the worse offenders, tier 3 on the watch list:

Here is an article I wrote in December about the family. (click images to enlarge)


 

96 comments:

  1. They let the owner go? I guess the U.S isnt the only country to use and abuse mexicans!

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  2. So they're sentencing them to death for accused of drug trafficking but z40 destroyed thousands of innocent lives and is offered a cozy prison cell. Hmmm. Oh we'll that's mexico.

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  3. Highest Yoga TantraAugust 15, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    2013 ▪ 08 ▪ 15

    Welcome to Singapore/Malaysia where chewing gum in public is a crime! This is where the "Letter of the LAW" comes into play . . . There is no graffiti, citizens are disciplined and criminals are executed ~ no excuses! Welcome to the 21st century!

    Good job as always Madame Chivis . . . Hope you are well!  
    नमस्त्र्यध्विकानां सर्वतथागतानां
    ¡Namastryadhvikānāṃ Sarvatathāgatānāṃ!

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  4. If they kill them mexico should go to war with malaysia thats what the US would do if 3 americans were killed over there without US approval

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    1. Lol please don't ever procreate

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    2. Lol cool story bro. You got anything to back it up?

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    3. Actualy america would do some Thing like
      that

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    4. What about the 2000+ AMERICAN. SOLDIERS killed in Iraq and Afghanistan??. They should of done something .. PULLED all the soldiers out , before more were killed

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  5. If there's anything that the Mexican government can learn form Malaysia it's this: Malaysia hangs those dealing in illicit drugs.
    Quite unlike the Mexican government which pampers drug cartel barons by giving them first class jail treatment.

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  6. malasia, wtf were they doing in malasia in the first place? i mean you gotta put 1 and 2 together, if mexico doesnt care about mexicans being killed,how can you expect a total other country especially in asia, they dont fuck around with foreigners and wont bend their laws? there is a reason other than they were cleaning that they were there

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  7. i bet they tried to pull the old, me no speeka de malaise

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    1. Don't be jealous your brain isn't complex enough to speak more than one language

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    2. Lmao thats comedy right there fuckers deserve to die bringing shame to a country that cant even beat some lame ass trafickers

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  8. You go to a country that has mandatory death sentences for drugs and cry and whine when you are arrested and facing what you knew was the punishment- Regular dumb asses. They are going to die a very horrid gruesome death for their ignorance.

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    1. @2:20 a.m are you kidding? Theyd hang an american even faster.they are muslim and hate everyone who isnt especially the radical muslims..they HATE americans.i really get sick of everyone who thinks all american citizens think like the gvt cause we dont.opinion of our congress is at an all time low.i dont have any respect for any religion who advocates killing ppl cause they are not muslim or practice sharia law but alot of the radical muslims do.i think they get a special prize for the killing of americans

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    2. The modern world should really get together and bomb countries like this,that still use hangings,stoning,beheadings,and other ancient tortures.

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    3. Why because they don't have the same principles as you or your government? Get the fuck out of here.

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    4. America was reasonable for the hanging of Saddam Hussain

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  10. When in Rome do as the Roman's do.
    The vatos had to know the consequences of what they were doing.

    Mexico, taking the "high principled" position against the death sentences...is hardly in a position to do so.... this given the various kinds of corruption afflicting the Mexican Criminal Justice System (CJS).

    IMO: The "rule of law" in some places is what it is and must be respected.

    Mexico_Watcher

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  11. Thanks for sharing. It's really interesting to get such a diverse scope on drug trafficking around the world here on BB, even if in this case it was still Mexicans.

    Sharp contrast to the release of Caro Quintero...

    Feynman

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  12. Ojala los mexicanos en vengansa maten 100 malasios . Para ke vea esos chinos ke no se juega con mexico..

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  13. Huh, the only guilty parties at this remote factory were three Mexican guys who had been there for 2 months? If they were involved in the manufacture of ice, then they were probably training the owner and the other workers. Does not make sense that 3 foreigners could manufacture ice all by themselves in a "factory.". And certainly does not deserve death, imo.

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  14. Lmao these guys tried to pull the we only went to Malaysia for a better future.

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  15. God even in Malaysia, Mexicans doing jobs others won't do...good riddance they should hang them high....

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    1. That's because Malaysia like the USA is a big market for drugs, they can't live without it.

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  16. Funny how governments always over value the drugs to make it seem like a huge bust.

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  17. Just another way these POS cartels screw Mexicans everywhere. Regardless of whether or not these guys are guilty or not, whenever and wherever a Mexican gets caught with or around drugs... The same stigma and questions will be asked, "This Mexican had to be working with cartels... Right?" Thanks for the image jackasses. Valen verga los narcos.

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  18. remember muslim country,they hate anybody who beleaves in jesus.mexicans are known for selling drugs.i dont think you need to go to malaysia to sell meth when the usa is right there.but it is mexicans.mexican and drugs.does have a ring to it.like cookies and milk.or peanut butter and jelly,or mexicans and drugs.there guilty.if you find 100 people in a room.3 mexicans 97 asian and some dope.you tell me what happen,one plus one is harder to solve.

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    1. WTF muslim dont hate Jesús
      They just got a different view of him.
      you need to read the quran.
      becuse if didnt read it thanSTFU!!!

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  19. This is disturbing on many levels.
    The three brothers were likely victims of the scam as described by Chivis.
    The larger issue is the continuing practice of slavery across the Muslim world. Anyone with eyes can see that this is widespread and non-Muslims are considered lower than dirt.
    The lack of prosecution of anyone else is a compelling demonstration of the probable innocence of the guys from Sinaloa.
    Those that are rejoicing in the death sentnece should take a step back and reevaluate their conclusions.

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  20. I did hurd that in some countrys you get the death penalty. If u ever see locked up abroad. See it. theirs en episode of that. But the guy gets life instead of the death penalty

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  21. These Mexicans were in Malaysia doing the job that Malaysians won't do...

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    1. What jobs?? Malaysia is a far poorer country than mexico.. i m pretty sure if they where looking for jobs malaysia would be in there short list of contries theyll go

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    2. Malaysia gets tons of Americans jobs. More of them are working than here. They aren't poor like you imagine at all.

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  22. Fuck u 10:18 pm so they let the other chinks go along with the owner but they want to hang these 3 Mexicans? Justice fighters my ass if these were 3 gringo brothers they'd let em go immediately fuck man you too 9:47 pm fuck you. The Anglo fear is worldwide.
    August 16, 2013 at 2:20 AM

    Sorry dude, they epecially hang foreign drug traffickers in Malaysia, many are white and come from Australia, Britain and Hong Kong. And it is common for the locals to get off the hook when a foreigner are involved. Mexicans, Colombians and Americans coming to Maylasia and hanging out in a remote area will be looked at suspiciously by the authorities. You can thank Hollywood and the drug cartels for that.

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  23. I always wonder if I were them and I knew I wasn't guilty why cover my face, instead I would want the world to see an innocent man is being killed. Just my thought on this.

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    1. Look closer at the picture. He's crying and covering his face to try to hide it.

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  24. el gallo de tijuanaAugust 16, 2013 at 7:46 AM

    just fucken escape like that movie i think its midnight expressthe law is retarded there not from that country there mexican citizens they dont get charge like citizen i even know that shit like this is why i respected pablo escobar

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    1. Escribelo en español, no te entendi ni madres. you made no sense

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  25. Hey Chivis,with your vast knowledge of Asian mores and custom and your all knowing intellect divining that these brothers are innocent dupes of the Asian ensnaring system.Would you also like to save the two UK girls who in all innocence were told to to take bags through customs and guess what they were innocently duped again for the bags contained drugs?Oh my god all these innocent people being duped?

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  26. Glad the Malaysian government is not as pussy as the Mexican government and meter out justice like it should be metered out.

    Just kill these scum already they are no use to this world!!

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  27. August 16, 2013 at 2:20 AM
    "Fuck u 10:18 pm so they let the other chinks go along with the owner but they want to hang these 3 Mexicans? Justice fighters my ass if these were 3 gringo brothers"
    Racist whining Mexicans again"poor me"they got caught now fuckin deal with it and stop whining you fuckin losers.

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  28. Malaysia legal system seems to be the exact system Mexico has. I dont know if these brothers are guilty or not. So now the Mexican Gov't doesnt like the outcome?? They do this all the time, why are they crying now!

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  29. For the life of me, I can't figure why US liberal Democrats side with Muslim's. They are barbaric. I know a lot of them and have lived amongst them in the UK as well as the US, and even the ones that aren't radicalized side with them over siding with no believers. They hang gays in the streets, they beat women, they behead kids, and they want to impose Sharia Law wherever they go. If your daughter dates a non Muslim or if she had the audacity to be raped then it's OK to kill her, aka "honor killings". They go against everything a liberal would stand for, yet they are always in bed with them. Hypocrisy. Slavery is still alive and well right now, and it's not the Jehovah Witnesses or the Baptists doing it, it's usually tied to Muslims.

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    1. Liberalism is a mental disease.

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  30. I agree with you 1:55am

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  31. Chivis, you are making a very valid interpretation of this strange story. Probably the right one.

    As well I couldn't make any sense of these guys' role in this meth outfit. They obviously were not trainers, since anyone can find a meth cooking recipe on the web (just look at the folks busted in the US, no Stanford alumni). They were not distributing since the local market is secured by local cartels. They were not trying to export back to Mexico since it wouldn't make economical sense.
    I didn't know Malaysians are practicing this indentured servitude scheme. This is quite frequent in the Gulf and happens sometimes in European cities (London, Paris) were rich Gulf nationals live. These slaves are usually from Indonesia, I didn't know Mexicans could fall for this as well. Now it makes perfect sense.

    Thanks for your smart reporting Abuela, as always you are a good read.

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  32. Altho the death sentence is obviously severe, i dont know if there guilt can be called into question. They got caught in a remote factory with 40 pounds of meth. It could be wrong place wrong time, but they sure look guilty to me. Brought into clean the place? More like brought in to cook the shit.

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  33. So,how do you find out WHAT EVIDENCE has been presented against these defendants,NOT family arguments or speculation?? The impression is that Maylasia is a savage ignorant stone age place with a prejudice against Mexicans ? What is the truth ? Maylasia I believe is a soverign country and is free to enforce or not whatever laws its people see fit, just like Mexico,regardless of how insane, JUST like Mexico.

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  34. Which z40 was caught in Malaysia

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  35. a few americans have aslo been executed for drug offenses in Malaysia..

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  36. ah, to bad! Three down, many more to go!

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  37. You don't know the facts...they were not "caught" with 40 pounds they were working outside the factory when the bust came. No one spoke Spanish and they were not given an interpreter until much later. Those with the drugs at the small warehouse and their homes were not prosecuted.


    and to the reader who wrote that Malays are not Asian (but used a derogatory term) well yes they are, but like Mexicans they are a mixed race, mostly a combination of Asian and Ethiopian.

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  38. two other Mexicans were arrested. These were strange people, lived in a lux home, dressed very well etc. but without fanfare they were allowed out of prison and deported. My sense is they were the ones handling business in Mexico. In the earliest reports one can see the two.

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    1. Malays are indeed Asian Chivis. There is Ethiopian in them. Maybe some of them are of South Asian ancestry since 10% of Malaysian citizens are of Indian descent. The rest are Malay or Chinese, 1/3 of population.

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  39. Sucks for them because Mexico is not going to stick up for them if it was a u.s citizen the u.s would be all over that case and they would have let them go for sure. But then again they are done because they are from sinaloa and im sure even mexico is tired of hering about them and drugs = bad combination

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  40. Bravo!!! Que los cuelguen a los cabrones, ojala eso hicieran en Mexico tambien; que colgaran y decapitaran a cada mierda de narco que agarraran, ya estamos cansados de estas lacras de la sociedad y que han traido tanto sufrimiento y derramamiento de sangre entre nuestras familias mexicanas, que cuelguen a todos los narcos y les mochen los huevos para echarselos a los perros por comida.

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  41. 11:39am sums it all up.

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  42. jeeze I worry about some of you readers...saying Malaysia is a poor country??? are you serious, google KL and take a look it makes the US look ghetto. read:

    Malaysia is a multi-ethnic country in Southeast Asia and one of the wealthiest and most developed countries, outranked in GNP only by Singapore and oil-rich Brunei

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  43. Highest Yoga TantraAugust 16, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    2013 ▪ 08 ▪ 16

    Just FYI for the curious, in Dec. 2002, a 25 yr. old Australian-Vietnamese by the name of Van Tuong Nguyen smuggled 396 g (enough for 26,000 doses) of heroin from Phnom Penh (Cambodia) en route to Melbourne. He was caught in Singapore and was later convicted & executed 3 yrs. later, despite appeals and pleas for clemency.

    /\__/\
    (=';'=)
    (")_(")

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  44. Me siento como que los contrataron solamente para hechar toda la culpa a ellos. Que mala onda y tristeza.

    Ponte abusado, y date cuenta en lo que se meta a uno. Nisiquera apareceria un viaje a Malaysia en mi lista de destinaciones, por ningun motivo. Muerto, no mantego mi familia.

    Y a la gente que brinda estas ejecuciones, que poca Madre. La Justicia llora, porque se muere la verdad con ellos.

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  45. Hell no México is in teir 5 if you
    ask me the in justice.
    Malasia you are right to kill
    this filth from snitchaloa.
    Malasia tell México to do the same
    with there Narcos.

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  46. Chivis They are also islámico
    Allahuackbar!!! In malay.

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  47. Viva los mata narcos.

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  48. It's time to get rid of the boys..Say goodbye to the family tree. Bring them to the gallows!!!! These scumbags are going to get what they deserve.It's a good thing they got caught before they could destroy many other lives.

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  49. Chivis - so your really of the belief that these guys werent involved with the drugs at all? i find that naive

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  50. I got the hell out of Malaysia. I had high paying employment as an engineer in the oil industry. I have worked in many countries from Siberia to Indonesia, and was never treated with more hatred than Malaysia. I was spat on twice once by a fashionably dressed woman in a upscale shopping center after she saw my USD laying on top my passport on line to pay for a purchase. If I did not open my mouth I could pass for Aussie, but if I did, I was treated poorly. Malay look upon foreigners as below human no matter their personal status. Corruption is the rule of the King and the land. It's a shame it is the most beautiful country I have been in, rustic highlands 10k elevation and cosmopolitan cities, very advance at every level.

    wrongful convictions are prevalently with foreigners involved.

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  51. In a country like Mexico men from from an early age have an expectation to travel abroad to earn a living for themselves and their families. These men most likely jumped at the chance to work in Malaysia. I'm sure that whatever work they were promised and expected did not live up to their hopes upon arrival. These guys are country people, what I would call folksy gullible peasants. It's obvious they are the fall guys for someone and Malaysia is intent on making an example out of them. In any event I'm convinced that whatever they did does not deserve the death penalty. Malaysia is treating these brothers with severe cruelty. The Malay Gov't is appears to be barbaric with its harsh laws and is definitely not a place I would ever want to visit.

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  52. .
    Trying to find a book titled "Violence, a National Epidemic" by James Gilligan .... I found these 18 pages. It begins with these words and may interest 'some'

    Shame, Guilt, and Violence / James Gilligan

    ...During the past 35 years I have used prisons and prison mental hospitals as "laboratories" inwhich to investigate the causes and prevention of the various forms of violence and the relationships between these forms and to what I will call (with a nod to William James) "the varieties of moral experience." In the course of that work, I have been struck by the frequency with which I received the same answer when I asked prisoners, or mental patients, why they assaulted or even killed someone. Time after time, they would reply "because he disrespected me" or "he disrespected my visitor [or wife, mother, sister, girl-friend, daughter, etc.]." In fact, they used that phrase so often that they abbreviated it into the slang phrase, "He dis'ed me."

    Whenever people use a word so often that they abbreviate it, it is clearly central to their moral and emotional vocabulary. But even when they did not abbreviate it, references to the desire for respect as the motive for violence kept recurring. For example, I used to think that people committed armed robberies in order to get money; and indeed, that is the superficial explanation that they would often prefer to give, to themselves and to us. But when I actually sat down and spoke at length with men who had repeatedly committed such crimes, I would start to hear comments like "I never got so much respect before in my life as I did when I pointed a gun at some dude's face."

    !8 pages:

    http://internationalpsychoanalysis.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/shamegilligan.pdf
    ..........................

    And the reasons for so much Violence (AND NEEDLESS SUFFERING!!) In Mexico?
    .....

    Saludos a todos,

    - Salva P. en el canadá

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    You can Bookmark it and use it.
    ..........
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  54. If the death penalty wasn't effective, we'd never be discussing it in the first place.

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  55. Access to some of James Gilligan's (an expert on 'violence') videos:

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Gilligan%2C+james%2C+violence&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz35

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZjm7yOHwE

    .........

    S. P.

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  56. 3:03 Same story here. It is an amazing, beautiful place but scarey as hell. I feared for my life we never went out at night without a native with us. My family and I left after the first year. The weird thing is they advertised heavily for American workers. I noticed the factories have many lat american and foreign help. Chivis you are a brave soul you had to know you would get crap thrown at you. Most people have not traveled or lived in different cultures. You hung in there telling it like it is-so be it- Much respect.

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  57. Chewing gum is unlawful you are correct. I think foreigners can bring it in for personal use but you will be jailed if you are caught with it and live there. They have a school for first offenders, like a driving school for a ticket. Singapore is across the waterway, and it is the cleanest country I know of. Orderly for sure, first country to require helmets and seatbealts. I like Singapore much more than Malaysia.


    HEY EVERYONE:

    Please read the rules to refresh your memory:
    http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2009/04/moderation-of-comments.html

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  58. whoever said America would do the same is a moron

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  59. I want to be clear that the majority of muslims are good, people their religion does not dictate behavior seen by the Muslim Brotherhood and other terrorists groups anymore than Christian wackos killing in the name of Christ. Though Malaysia has a strong presence of Muslim Terrorist what I mean by saying the country is Muslim, is they are unyielding in the law, and often it is a matter of someone paying for the crime, even if it is someone wrongfully convicted. In many ways the holds true in Mexico...doesn't it?

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  60. As someone rightly pointed out and as highlighted by Chivis this sounds to me like framing. I am an Asian and I have read many stories of persecution of non-muslims in muslim countries. A recent beheading of a maid in a muslim country comes to mind. It is hard to understand for some people when someone says some muslims consider others as of a lower value that dirt, but hardcore muslims adhere to their religious book and treat non-muslims as Kafirs. It is time for international community start taking action. It is hard because in sharia courts they announce a punishment and within days the guy is dead. Some of the judgements that have come out, we ourselves can make out the punished was victimized. I mean these countries have oil and all, but it is time to take them to task and last but not least madame Chivis I am a fan. I actually stumbled across from reading a kidnapping of an american and referred a wikipedia artcle and came across this website and there is something unique about your blog and especially Chivis. Keep up the good work, god bless you guys.

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  61. Mueran Cabrones!!! Knew what you were getting yourself into, now pay the consequences

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  62. Like I always say "know the penalty of the crime you commit in the country you do it in.
    It seems to me life is very cheap in the drug war. Murder is whole sale in Mexico . They gun one another down in the streets daily. The bleeding hearts alway blame America or somebody else. Everytime a mexican is sentenced to death in Texas for a terrible crime it is always the fault of Texas.
    They knew the risks when they went there to "cook. Sounds like they had a shit load of cash . I wonder how many lives were ruined and lost in connection with their dope. LET THEM SWING

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  63. i dont think there is too mch hope for these boys, their family is most likely poor and in a lot of countries that is a life long death sentence

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  64. attn: maybe the original article could have mentioned the slavery possibilty, but it didn't which is when most of the articles started, and since this is a drug war news site, the article was cast in that light dont you agree

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  65. @3:36AM
    Are you serious? The original article was written not by me and with a damning headline "2 Sinaloa cartel brothers found guilty in Malaysia"

    But I changed my stance because there is NO connection. I thought in the beginning there was proof SOMEWHERE that these were drug traffickers, then I dug into the story. if you follow the hyperlink in my post and scroll to the comments you will see that in 2011 after I knew that facts I explained about the slavery.

    So I don't know what you are saying. Either we learn from others or we fight facts, it is a choice. But you come in with a contentious comment, which is fine but don't twist the facts. the facts are well documented that in MY original article and comment, which gave the back ground and I introduced the involuntary servitude.

    let me ask you this: If everything I said applied in this case and these brothers were recruited by a high paying headhunter who promised them a good job and training for a year where they could return to their families with money to give their children a better life and future, yet they arrive in Taiwan (which they did) held, threatened and sold to the Malays where they worked 12-15 hours a day, trying to pay a huge debt because they were charged for the travel costs at many times actual cost, living expenses etc, passport taken, held prisoner and threatened not allowed to call home and forced to work cleaning and hauling in a drug factory...... if all those things happened...

    How would you feel about this case?

    8:51PM thank you so much. I am always apprehensive how Asians and in this case Malays will take my posts. well last one and this one is making the rounds in Malay-Singapore and Indian blogs all without negative comments.

    Hola Highest Yoga...thank you. When I was in KL there was a case of a young couple from Bangladesh that were hanged. They were lured to KL for high paying 1 year contracts for domestic work, free room and board and travel. They were sent on weekends from the trafficker to selling cannabis near a McDonalds. They were parents of 2 children under 5. The drug traffickers were also charged but were released, the same as in this case. After being found guilty there is no option for the court but to issue a death sentence. Only a royal pardon would have saved them. They were hanged and fast. They were in their early twenties.

    In this case in has dragged on so long because of the prosecutors obvious tampering and his history of corruption. I still think they may be freed, but the chances are greater they will hang.

    I did not go into this case thinking innocence and if you read my comment on Gerardo's first post I said they were guilty. But I always keep an open mind. And something didn't smell right. Some readers have a closed mind which is puzzling when they know nothing about the country, its ideology or systems of justice. I was simply trying to share my knowledge.

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  66. "And the 5th angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
    And he opened the bottomless pit: and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
    And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power as the scorpians of the earth have power. - Revelation ch.9: vs. 1-3

    This was a famous quote by one of Mohammed's commanders during Islam's initial conquests: The way to heaven or He'll is through the sword. Maybe the executions of non-Muslims by the draconian judicial system of Malaysia is an indirect way at getting at so-called infidels by zealous Muslims. If the justice they administer to non-Malaysian non-Muslims were administered to Malaysian Muslims, maybe there wouldn't be so many questions about the application of heavy handed justice in Malaysia. There seems to be some impunity going on for Malaysians. Maybe the legacy of Brithish colonialism and the loss of Singapore has made them bitter towards foreigners. Then again it was foreign Arabs who introduced them to Islam. Or could the possibilty exist that it is another way to carry -out jihad?

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  67. lets do the math,,,, two young guys + being from mexico+being from sinaloa+ arrested for drugs= drug dealers. its simple math. dealers are usually young guys, mexico is synonomous with corruption, and sinaloa is home of the worlds most powerful druglords.

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  68. Im mexican and i;ve been to singapore and find it to be a beutiful country, the cleanest of the world. I was really carefull not to do nothing stupid because of their strict laws. I think they knew what they were getting themselves into so you should not blame the gov. it's their fault

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  69. the math of simple minds not deep thinkers

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  70. Chivas, why are defending them? Malaysia and Singapore has the lowest crime rates and lowest drug abuse rates than any other countries in the eastern block. If Mexico would do this to their drug barons, then Mexico would not be losing innocent lives. These brothers could have notified the authorities pertaining to the manufacture of drugs. I agree that death penalty is too harsh, but future Mexicans will think twice trying to setup shop there in the future.

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  71. @1:23
    since you are respectful I will answer, though I think if you read all four articles on BB plus comments you will understand better.

    I am convinced these men are innocent. and guess what? once again malay, Singaporean and indian bloggers are posting my article. Not once in 2 years has one said I was wrong. They know how it is, and so do I.

    Who told you the crime was low???? They were one year deemed the safest SOUTHEAST country, but that was using figures they provided. and as human rights groups state but papers say this:
    "Citing one global survey, Najib said last year that Malaysia was the safest country in Southeast Asia, an assertion that is widely disputed by urban dwellers"

    and this:

    "the government is failing to tackle a culture of impunity and corruption in the police force that is a major root of the problem."

    it is a small country about 29M, California has 39M 12 people have died in custody since Jan, 250 in 10 years.

    this month:
    "The chairman of the MyWatch anti-crime group was reportedly shot by a motorcycle gunman as he drove his car."

    Malaysian crime has gone through the roof, drive by gang shootings, contract killings, 3 car bombs in recent months as there is a struggle for organized crime territory. Yup just like Mexico. so many people were in prison they had to release many.

    overcrowded prisons:
    "2,600 hardcore criminals and gang members being released from detention.

    Voters had cited crime and social problems as their biggest concern after the economy in a survey of 1,018 people conducted last December by pollsters Merdeka Center for Opinion Research. - August 15, 2013."


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  72. Ok what is the chance 2 Sinaloa Mexicans where in a meth lab with a shit load of cash and were innocent ?
    THE SINALOA CARTEL IN GLOBAL . They are in remote areas of Africa doing god knows what .
    To their disadvantage they can be bombed and the world will never know.

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  73. wartawan yang menulis kebenaran-reporter knows the truth. Accessed you from Google

    Penang

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  74. The bottom line, if you enter another country you are subject to their laws...period! You can criticize the Malaysian gov't all you want but it's there country and they run it, how they see fit! It is ludicrous to think these "poor" brothers left Mexico for a "legal" job opportunity in Malaysia? And they happen to work, as janitors, in a factory that is capable of producing illegal narcotics? Regardless of their innocence or guilt, the old saying applies, "if it sounds to good to be true...than it usually is!"

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  75. I think Chivis' real last name is SanDiego.

    Done everything, seen everything, been everywhere!

    Pero no se deja ver!

    Thank you Girl!

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  76. 12:48 Dora the explorer? :)

    11 years ago I begun the work in Mexico and left Asia all to my husband. But for decades I got to know Asia. I have been fortunate.

    As for seeing me...it may not be in the too far distance.. stay tuned.

    Paz

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  77. Malaysia has a bad record for human rights. Many foreigners are cheated, raped and abused or killed. Blame it on Allah's policy or thieving, oppressive, and demonic teachings of mistreating non-Muslims. Muslims themselves have become the highest victim of rape and persecution. There are good people and bad people everywhere in the world. But the bad experiences will leave a bad taste in your mouth. Incest, drug addition and HIV are the highest amongst the Malay/Muslims race. The Government and Police are complicit in corruption and crime. The king, PM, AG and police do not care who killed Altantuya. The high office in Malaysia enjoys immunity against charges of rape, corruption and murder. The police is known to fabricate evidence for homicide shooting, urine test and drug cases.

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