Monday, March 4, 2013

Forbes Most Wealthy List: Chapo No Mas

By Chivis Martinez Borderland Beat

No Longer the Headline
Four years ago the decision to include Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman in the Forbes Billionaire List was a horrible one on just about every level imaginable.  Guzman is the leader of the Sinaloa drug cartel arguably the most powerful drug trafficker on the planet.
 
However, if one simply reduces the cons to a level of verifiable mathematics the decision made zero sense.
In a larger sense, by the inclusion of Guzman, Forbes denigrates its list, while at the same time fortifying glorification of the fruits of criminality. 
The Mexico delegation of Worlds most powerful  Lineup in past years: Guzman, EPN and Slim
 One can surmise the decision not to include Guzman in the 2013 list is a pragmatic approach to end the criticisms of a 4 year flawed decision.  Regrettably Forbes attempted to justify the decision with sensible reasoning.  Regrettable because it highlights the very basic standards ignored in the first place.
 
How does an entity deem a person’s wealth without subjecting that wealth to verification?
It was a stunner in 2009 when Guzman made the list with a fortune listed at $1 Billion.
Forbes senior wealth editor Luisa Kroll said the decision to drop Guzman was based on suspicions that "an increasing chunk of money is going to protect him and his family."

 
Kroll said in a statement Monday that Guzman is "no longer someone we are confident enough to call a billionaire, "and, “that he could not be reached to verify figures on his wealth”. (this last statement was my favorite)
 
Right…and he was in 2009?
2010?
2011?
Forbes would have gained great respect by simply stating “it was a mistake and we are correcting that mistake now”
On another note Mexican Carlos Slim (Telecom magnate) continues to head the list, with a fortune estimated at $73 billion.

88 comments:

  1. whats the fucking deal hi still powerful and fucking rich.. the list make no difference ..

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    1. It makes a huge difference if u have any kind of morals or standards.if u have to lie kill cheat and steal to get your money then u shouldnt be on anybodys list except a wanted poster.this goes for ANYONE not just drug traffickers

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    2. if is not the traffickers is the fucking goverment to me is the same shit fuck the mexican govermemt

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    3. Thats why i said that applied to ANYONE who has to get their money like that.governments traffickers anybody that is doing wrong

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    4. anon 8:58
      so do you think carlos slim amn other rich guys got their money saying the truth? not being money laundering? for example do you know how carlos slim got rich? the answer is stealing money from mexican erario that makes him worse than chapo guzman at least chapo guzman never received money from mexican citizen contributions.

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    5. No one should get rich off the backs of others dishonestly i dont care who they are or what side of the border they are on.not a fan of bush/cheney they were HUGE crooks.i would rather die poor and be able to sleep at night and give an account to the good lord for my actions and he dont accept cash as a bribe

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  2. If I have to explain it to you it is a waste of energy..

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  3. Fucking slim it mad krazy money

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    1. I wouldnt doubt if carlos slim is laundering money somehow for these cartels you have the richest trafficker that a mexican and you have another rich telec om mexican that's the richest in the world some how they gotta be connected think about it .

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  4. @7:41 Chapo's money is bloodmoney....chapo has blood on his hands,blood of innocents too....

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  5. Is epn really a billionaire?

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    1. He is probably more rich that they said, he is more than one Time billionaire

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  6. If Chapo falls, I hope that he falls backward so that all the nut huggers don't get squashed.

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  7. If Amado was making 25 mill a month back then, can you imagine what Chapo and the Federation are making now? DGO @100

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    1. In my opinion,the wealthiest narcos that are still alive include: Juan Esparragoza el Azul,Vicente Carillo viceroy,Ismael Zambada el mayo,Hector Beltran el H,Joaquin Guzman el Chapo.possibly in that order.


      The wealthiest narcos of all times from Mexico:Amado Carillo will always be at the top,Miguel angel felix gallardo,pedro aviles,ramon arellano,arturo Beltran,mayo/ chapo

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    2. No mames. EL CHAPO should be first then el joto del H, El MZ and Vicente Carillo. He puts in more work than all thos 3 conbined. All el mayo zambada does is chill back in Culiacan. And El chapo goes all around Mexico regulating his states.

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    3. Well,i though of putting Vicente Carillo first,than Azul but Azul does have the longest time active,out of all,than Viceroy,Mayo,El H,and than Chapo.

      Anyone that knows whats going on,knows that EL Mayo is more powerful,and respected than El Chapo,and " maybe" even richer.

      And i put el H on top of Chapo because remember those mutilated bodies in Culiacán that were signed by Z40, than el chapo went to Nuevo Laredo,and respondió by saying" we know that you(Z40) ordered el H and his people to dump the bodies here,( Culiacán) because you dont have the people,and the balls to do it yourself." And goes on to insult.Z-40 ,yet never disrespects el H.

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  8. Slim is sitting on 73 Bill?? How much more money does he need? But all those people starving n dying... its a sick world!-

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  9. Chapo is far richer than most people think. Escobar right hand man says Chapo is 10 times richer than Escobar was. Id put my $ on his opinion rather than anyone else.

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  10. Other smoke screens are more handy now.

    There were some glaring inconsistencies in the billionaire fib. Why would a billionaire risk having his wife go to the US to have a kid? The US has a very high infant mortality rate. No, a billionaire would bring in a medical team.

    Forbes can't talk about the big US monied interests that take the lion's share of the drug market profits.

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    1. why? So the infant can be US citizen..duhhh..if he takes a medical team,he wouldn't get US citizenship..

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    2. The u.s has good quality healthcare if u have the kind of money he has.i love my country but the healthcare system sucks the kind of care u get is based on how good your insurance is or how much money u got.and we all know he has money

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    3. Really!!! Dumb ass

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    4. Who u call a dumbass?

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  11. Juan Garcia Abrego,of CDG, was said to have accumulated $17 billion before his capture in 1996. Rafael Caro Quintero accumulated $600 million before his capture in 1985. He offered to pay Mexico's foreign debt of $80billion. His marijuana growing farm, Campo Buffalo in Chihuahua, had estimated annual earnings of $2.3 to $8billion.

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  12. Carlos Slim should not be on that list, changing laws of mexico to facilitate his monopoly and changing them back so no one can challenge him. I hope the Sultan of Brunei is on there, Kim Jong Un and other who rape and pillage their country to amass their fortune. At least Chapo doesn't hide behind some bullshit excuse to how he got his cash...still a bad man tho, however people who take drugs know what they're getting into, but do we really know the effects of cell phones yet with the radiation?? Could be killing ourselves just the same...

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    1. I agree about the kim jon un thing but ive never heard of anyone getting their head sawed off over a cellphone

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  13. maybe they put him on that list to get the worlds attention. If you remember back then, no one even knew there was a problem coming out of Mexico

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    1. You make an excellent point

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  14. 10:44 aaaa nope Amado carillo Fuentes was the one to offered to pay the debt to USA, if they let hom work and he also said that he will keep drugs off minor and a more secured Mexico but they dint take it.

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    1. It was rafael caro quintero... dont believe everything you see on the internet homeboy

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  15. chapo should purchase the state of sinaloa. hes really put the sin in it

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  16. I trust El Mayo more when he said Chapo is not a billionaire

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  17. And how many of those in the list make their money in a worst way than chapo? Stealing lying murdering harming people? I bet half of those in the list have more blood on their hands then chapo. With their war industries and harmful meds and bully corporations. But since its ok by American standards its fine. Sell tobacco. But not weed.

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    1. No its not ok by our standards in america.we are seriously frustrated by our own politians too.greed is a worldwide problem and a human nature defect problem not a particular country problem.we all share that plague equally

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    2. Best comment

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    3. My.thoughts.exactly -what haliburton type outfits, blackwater/xe, big tobacco / pharma, super oppresive regimes, etc the list.goes on.....and on the (forbes) list they go....how many tobacco related deaths are there EVERY YEAR? I don't see a big difference whatsoever.

      If.they're going to make.an objective list of the worlds richest people, I don't think opinion has any place in it.

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  18. What good does it do if your're the most wanted man in the world? Fuck Chapo he can spend his money in Hell....

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  20. @March 5, 2013 at 2:29 AM

    So Rafael Caro Quintero had a net worth of ~$600 million, but offered to pay Mexico's foreign debt of $80 billion? You see how that doesn't add up, right?

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    1. Time payments lol I had exact same thought

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  21. i wonder how much legitimate money is floating around through mexico's halls of power, only if they would release a small chunk of it to the poorest places, like the colonias around juarez, man those places look bobmbed out and depleted, why do mexican politicos turn such a blind eye, thats why they act so defensive when asked, if there is that much poverty in their back yard, you cant blame others for misallocating money to upkeep those in and around ones city, especially if they have the power to lay some concrete. get it done it wont hurt, and then claim your accolades..

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  22. In 1989 Pablo Escobar made the Forbes list with 25 Billion USD. With syntetic drugs business and a larger consumption of drugs today I can assure you El Chapo has over 50 Billion .Parents show your kids from an early age "say no to Drugs" don't allow them to become customers .Saludos a Texas Grandma aka TG 78

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  23. Chapo must have at least 50 billion by now. He owned a fleet of lear jets back in the 80s. He is a lot richer now by a long shot.

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  24. You can look at it also that Carlos Slim's monopoly has created less competition/jobs in Mexico therefore fueling the ranks of the cartel, or he empowers the culture of corruption in Mexico in how he got his company positioned the way he has which just give the green light for anyone to corrupt the govt....greed is the underlying theme and fosters the worst of mankinds traits.....

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  25. How can chapó buy Sinaloa when he cant evn control his plaza in Culiacán much less all Culiacán ahy stan los isidro Meza flores n I think its a good 75% of the violence in Mexico is attributed to this family

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  26. I completely agree Guzman should not have been put on that silly ass list,it was wrong on every count you can think of.How do they calculate his wealth?How,no-one knows Guzmans personal wealth,it also held him up to gullible idiots as some kind of idol.The magazine itself got great publicity out of it also in the most underhand way,it tells you all you need to know about that crap publication and its bullshit,mercenary,questionable is a few words come to mind.

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  27. Is that carlos' real last name? Slim? Thats like a pimp or a rapper's last name. any thoughts. Is it like his way of being ironic in a trendy way

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  28. Cry all you want
    CHAPO MADE FORBES

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  29. You cant buy your way into Forbes ,
    RESPECT ,something money cant buy

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  30. Gangsters: America's Most Evil: Lethal Beauties: The story of Garcia, Henao, and Beltran. This documentary narrates the story of Rosalie "shortly" Garcia, who ran a heroin ring in the Bronx; Colombian Beatrize Henao, the queen of amphetamines"; and "La Reyna del pacifico. Will air on A&E on March 14 at 8:00p.m.CST.

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    1. Nicee ,thanks for info

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  31. The ones that make all the money are the generals!!!!! the narcos make a lot, but also pay a lot for protection...Caro quintero was the one that wanted to pay Mexicos debt- He was all coked out and was talking like a tweeker!!!!

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  32. Who said El Chapo kill's innocents?? He is highly against killing innocent people and my friend was in Mex and some sicarios went to there small town to play basketball (lol) and they were telling the people that they work for El Chapo and that they are protecting them from Los Zetas

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  33. It would be interesting for someone to actually calculate the wealth of the current capos. I am sure it can be done, just would need real data from real people involved to do it. You know the government has done it, they aren't fooling anyone. If Chapo, Mayo and Azul or any other big time capo for that matter (Beltran,Carrilo etc), are making 40% profit on birds on full ton loads and flipping those numbers on lbs. That is a ton of paper, now how much of that gets broken down into years and years of doing that? Now if they are the big dons, alot of money goes to protection (government on all levels) payroll and foot soldiers. One thing can be said for sure, the narco game is super lucrative and that is not going anywhere. It generates an economy of it's own.

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  34. 4:45 thats what I say it dnt make since amado carillo was bringing alot more money than quintero ever dreamed of I was in Mexico when that offer was put in the table by Amado Carrillo Fuentes. The best capo that ever touch this earth

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    1. If your saying the best rata

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  35. Hate all u want señor chapo is one of the most powerful man in the world he runs the most powerful cartel in the mafias history Chinese,Italian,Russian mafia etc. do not compare to the Mexican cartel is a fact not jst talk im aginst all this assholes but I like to keep it real and this is whats going on with this guy like it or not and stop talking shit and if u really care about what happens your welcome in Mexico and join the armed forces to make a difference about all the bull shit u write and comment im getting fucking sick of tough guys writing shit and not doing nothing to help fuck off haters if ur goverment was like mexicos u probably wouldnt think the way u think now

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    1. I dont talk shit about nobody on here and im not crazy enough to go to mexico but we do have WAY more guns here in the citizens hands here and they are trying to ban them here. Never happen.these people will go to war in the streets over their guns and we own all kinds of weapons 360 million in the citizens hands.americans dont seem to care what kind of bullshit gets passed in congress but they will kill for their gun rights

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    2. Years ago there was a little old man named carlo gambino.nobody knew much about him or what he was worth.he lived like a grandfather and raised his family and never set foot in a jail cell and died of old age but he was the most powerful man in the italian mafia he founded the gambino crime family and he had a lot of people killed.whos to say that chapo isnt like that and living a quiet life like that somewhere.just sayin i dont know

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  36. So ur implying El Chapo doesnt have the money to send in a medical team to deliver his child? Lol

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  37. Nope not implying that at all.just saying it would draw attention to himself.it was easier to do it the way she did it.it just looked like another immigrant coming over the border to have a baby the way she did it.more lowkey that way

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  38. I´m with Chivis on this one, I believe el Mayo when he said neither him nor Chapo are billionaires. It doesn´t matter how many drug users are now, what drugs they use, those who sell them on the street, those who move them from city to city, those who cross them thru the border, those who bring it to cities like Juarez and TJ, those who make them DON´T work for free, neither the police who protect them, there´s lots of money involved, but MOST of it never gets to the bosses hands, in this case chapo´´s hands.

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    1. I dont know about all that.why would anyone put thereselves in that kind of position with everybody and their dog looking for you either to arrest you or kill you for not much money involved.doesnt make sense

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  39. It's only a crime ,if you get caught......

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    1. Yea but god sees all and you cant hide from him and he will exact his revenge on the evildoers one day.thats just what i believe

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  40. I cannot believe the pure idiocy of grown ass men worshiping some dude they see on a fuckin computer screen?Grown men,acting like little girls over Guzman,you couldn't make this shit up"Hate all u want señor chapo"listen to this fuckin little girl?This is a grown man talkin about some dude he aint never gonna meet and never will?Wouldn't it be nice if pricks like this idiot had this kind of respect for ordinary men and women.I wonder if this clown has got Chapos picture on his wall?
    "Senore Chapo"get the fuck outta here,he don't wanna know suckas like you.

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    1. Wow you are pathetic what was the pint of your comment? Just trash talk wow how old are you. He don't want suckas like you????? Wtf oh so you know the kind of people he wants to know? Really and your talking all this crap wow!!!!!

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  41. Townhall ran an article on Chapo but said, despite his riches, he's got to watch himself all of the time, so he can't really enjoy his riches in the same way of those who get rich honestly and cleanly...like making computers and stuff.

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  42. Pinche Bogs, ya sabemos donde vives puto!

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  43. Jaja Chinese is the strongest mafia it's been around since the 17th century but chapos cartel is strong I'm not gonna lie shits on any cartel in Mexico that's a fact and plus the Chinese mafia and Sinaloa cartel have a pact and they created a mini cartel called wo cartel or something like that its Chinese and sinaloans if you would kno the Chinese have a lot of influence in Sinaloa they immigrated there.

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    1. Dont they sell chemicals to mexican cartels to create synthitic drugs like crystal meth?....as long as theres demand.. there will be a supply! -

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  44. "Wtf oh so you know the kind of people he wants to know? Really and your talking all this crap wow"
    Huh,what,about 8.30 pm,medication time,God bless your stinky socks

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  45. Tabacco, Alcohol, FDA experiments all kill silently throughout the earth everyday and u have too many fat asses starving the meak. Voters in Mexico and in the USA have a voice and in the end CONSUMERS enpower their kings. ARRIBA NAFTA!!!

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  46. chivas......are you serious??smh

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  47. @March 5, 2013, at 4:55a.m.

    Rafael Caro Quintero's ranch generated between $2.9 to 8 billion a year in 1980's dollars. Given the right impunity, he could have generated enough money in 10 to 30 years to pay off Mexico's debt if he chose to. Mind you, I'm just talking about the money he was making from marihuana sales, not from revenue from other drugs and businesses he could have made. He already had $600 million, he didn't need any more.

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  48. Yea they sell them all those chemicals and I'm sure weapons also there is a close bond between the Chinese and sinaloans because some sinaloans are half Chinese not all but some of them are.

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  49. The Golden Rule: Those with the gold, make the rules

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  50. They count Ye Gon s money. I bet he got a couple basements full of American cash.

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  51. I'm sure ye gon has accounts in other places of the world with diffrent names whole diffrent thing so his kids won't have to suffer but yea they made a cartel the Chinese and sinaloans it's called wo cartel something like that they operate in china all that hemisphere and in Sinaloa.

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  52. Who do I trust more to assess someones wealth, Forbes, or you guys? I'll go with Forbes

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  53. Yea kinda hard to keep tabs on a drug lords wealth.cant exactly call their payroll dept or accountant now can you.forbes knows hes a billionaire they just cant track it otherwise he wouldnt have been on that list for 4 yrs before they took him off.they just caught alot of flack from some people for putting him on there at all

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  54. Ijole, nadia se dio cuenta de la verdad. Forbes throws a Billionaire's Party every year, and Chapo hasn't missed a one since his inaugural into the Billionaire's Club years ago. Nuestro Compa Joaquin ofrecio su hacienda favorita como sitio para la proxima fiesta. ¡Qué Fregón!

    Hasta luego,
    AmigoAnónimo

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  55. Bottom line....nobody got rich being honest!!!!!

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  56. comment from Mexico here Carlos Slim's companies charge calls ghosts services not performed any fool knows etc.esto is theft COVERED WITH FRAUD AND ERROR IS THE ULTIMATE OK. Shorty also does the abuse are the same thing here in Mexico it is said that tumbled carlos nomas donkey fucks million Latinos daily chapo million daily poisons assholes and let us not reconoscan chapo is the # 1 millionaire worldwide and if Tinen hesitant because carlos companies in North America does not have as many in Latin America because there censillo nOT COME FACE LES PENDEJO GOODBYE iS IMPOSSIBLE ......

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  57. @march 14, 2013 at 10:51am.........what the hell did you just say jajaja

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