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Sunday, March 10, 2013

An Interview With a Teen Sicario

Chivis Martinez Borderland Beat
 
The following is a three part video presentation by La Silla Rota which features an interview with a 16 year old sicario.  In the candid responses the child hit man speaks of his life, family, drug use and killing.  At times he becomes very emotional.  I have translated the narrative under each video.


- I am 16 years old and I am a sicario (hitman) of the Zetas.

- I finished middle school. I started high school but I didn’t passed first semester.

Q: How long have you been a sicario?

-          I have three months and a half

Q: So it is recent? How much do you get paid?

-          6 thousand pesos biweekly

Q: Oh! Well it is more that what a teenager could earn right?

-          Yes

Q: How many people have you killed?

-          It was a policeman and an abduction that we did

Q: But how many have YOU killed?

-          Just the policeman

Q: How did you feel when you took the life away of the policeman?

-          I was nervous because I was going to commit crime. While I was approaching him I was nervous and I told somebody to ask him (policeman) directions to get to a street and then I asked the policeman for another street and while he was explaining, that is when I shoot him. I was nervous, that’s all I can say.

Q: How did you get in this or why did you decided to get in?

-          It kind of got my attention, most of all because I was curious about it, because of what I saw on TV or what was said on the newspapers. I was curious about it

Q: Did you want to kill people?

-          Well I kind of felt that I wanted to do that but until this guy invited me to join and I said yes.

Q: Is there friendship where you were?

-          Yes, there is friendship and family.

Q: And in your group?

-          We never fought, we never had any problems, and we were always together. There weren’t any problems such as I am more than you or anything like that. They didn’t allow us to drink, if we drank, they would tell us “If you do it again, you’ll see (threaten)”. There was a guy that drank about three times and they tied him up.

Q: How many under ages are in the group?

-          I am the only one.

Q: Would you do it again, would you kill somebody again?

-          I think so, if I wouldn’t be caught, I would.

Part II



- I am 16 years old and I am a sicario (hitman) of the Zetas.

Q: Do you have your parents and how is your relationship with them?

-          My relationship with them is good

Q: Who are you most close to; who would you tell everything to, you mom or dad?

-          My mom

Q: Did your friend know about what you worked on?

-          Yes, they know

Q: And what did they tell you?

-          Nothing, just to take care of myself and be careful not to get caught.

Q: Did your mom, knew about it?

-          Yes, actually, she cried every time I left to work, she would tell me to stay, she didn’t wanted me to go back to that job and told me to take care

Q: Do you have siblings?

-          Yes, I have three..................(continues on next page)

Q: Are you the youngest, middle?

-          I am the middle one

Q: How is your relationship with them?

-          I am not in good relationship with the older ones.

Q: Why not?

-          They don’t like me, I don’t know why

Q: How was your behavior from three months till now?

-          Normal

Q: What did you talked with your mom? “Hey mom I killed two today” What did you talked with her?

-          No I never talked about that. The group always told us when we got in that when we got home we should not talk about that because it was not something they should know. It was weird for you to talk about it in front of your mom because she has not seen something like it. It is weird for them. I get home and ask them how they are doing, if they need something for me to do. When I get home, they treat me well.

Q: Did they treat you better because you were giving them money?

-          No I don’t think it was because of the money. I think it was because they didn’t see me much and I didn’t cause them any trouble because before I was very intolerant. If my dad told me something, I would argue about it or talk back to him, curse at him.

Q: Did you ever got into a fight with your dad?

-          No, once or twice when he was drunk he told me to fight with him. I would say no and tell him “How am I going to fight you if you are my dad”, we never got to that. Thank God we never got to that. He would hit me as parent to son but we never got to fighting.

Q: Did your mom at some time told you to stop doing this?

-          Yes but I couldn’t because when I got in the group they told me that if I wanted to get out, they would kill me

Q: And what did you tell your mom when she asked you that, did she give you her blessings?

-          She would give me her blessings when I left, always, and told me to take care so anything would happen to me

Q: Were you aware that you could die any moment?

-          Yes, I had that in mind. I always had that in mind

Q: Were you afraid?

-          Not fear but to die and not tell my family. That was my fear.

Part III
 



- I am 16 years old and I am a sicario (hitman) of the Zetas.

The emotions  of a young sicario

Q: What would you tell a kid that have a close relationship with you? If they ask you, hey why are you with chains. What advice would you give him?

-          Not to do what I did

Q: Q: Were you aware that you could die any moment?

-          Yes, I had that in mind. I always had that in mind

Q: Were you afraid?

-          Not fear but to die and not tell my family. That was my fear.

Q: That your mom wouldn’t know?

-          Yes, my mom or my dad

Q: Do you smoke?

-          I smoke marijuana. I don’t like tobacco much

Q: What other drug do you use?

-          I consumed cocaine for about a month

Q: How often did you consume it?

-          Every time I got paid, I bought 5 or 6 passes (packages).

Q: So were you an addict of cocaine, did you like it?

-          Yes, I liked it but I was not addicted to it, in a way that I wanted to buy it all the time. I would buy one and consume it and I would not crave for another one. Then I would buy another one or two next pay check and then I stopped buying it and bought only marijuana, it is what I like more.

Q: Why do you like marijuana more, how does it make you feel?

-          The effect is good, it feel good, it relaxes you, make you calm and make you think about things, if you fight with your family and then you smoke one of it, it relaxes you and makes you think about why you did that and make you reflect about it, if you are alone but if you are with somebody, you start talking to that person in a cool way, relaxed

Q: Tell me the happiest day you’ve had?

-          My birthday. That day my family made a cookout and my friends came. They congratulated me and hugged me to wish happy birthday.

Q: What has been your worst moment that you would not like to repeat?

-          My worst moment was when I got expelled from school and my dad kicked me out of the house and I went to my brother’s house and asked him if I could stay with him and he agreed. I stayed there for a month, and then my dad, reconsidered, I guess and went to look for me and told me to go back to the house.

Q: Did your mom, knew about what you were doing?

-          Yes, actually, she cried every time I left to work, she would tell me to stay, she didn’t wanted me to go back to that job and told me to take care. She would give me her blessings when I left, always, and told me to take care so anything would happen to me

Q: Do you have a girlfriend?

-          Yes

Q: Does she know about what you worked on?

-          Yes, I was with her when her father was caught and also when her mother was killed. She asked me to get out of this. When I had two months and a half in this, she told me to get out of this.

Q: Did you lack love?

-          Yes, I lacked  love. Since I was born until I was about five

Q: Why tell me?

-          Because my dad was in cana (I think it is refer to as jail)

Q: Why was your dad in Cana?

-          I don’t know why but we used to go visit him always. I really needed him to be more with us

Q: Do you think that was a factor for you being here?

-          Might be

Q: You are going to be a long time away from your mom and you say she is the person that you trust her with your things. What are your thoughts, how do you feel?

-          I would not be able to see them

Q: Imagine that your mom is here, that I am your mom; obviously you need to try to imagine it. What would you tell her?

-          That I love her so much

Q: Let’s say that you are free tomorrow, that you have the opportunity of a new life. What would you do?

-          Study; thrust forward because what I went through, the killing, what I felt was bad. I would not like to be a hit man again.

53 comments:

  1. This is fucked up, this kid is a victim, I dont know what happens when you're told to do this, he had a choice, but when you're poor and have no education and the money they gave him, he doesnt have a choice, thanks for posting this, this is very informative and another perspective from the sickness Mexico has gone.

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  2. What a sad story!

    It sounds as if this kid is mature for his age. I wonder what he would feel like if he met the children of the police officer that he killed?

    If he really understands what love is then I hope he can put this life behind him and find a way to compensate the children of the police man that he killed.

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  3. wow chivis this gives me a perspective I would have never been privy to had you not taken the time to translate the video. amazing. thank you once again for your outstanding posts.

    so much sadness- so few answers- but for sure it must began with choices for poor kids.

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  4. i pray to God that they tortured the living shit out of him in front of his mom after this interview. Fuck all of you bleeding heart liberals. Mexico should be harsher to these types of criminals the same way it brutalizes the innocent people that try to do good for the country. I was happy that they killed that kid sicario and his family the other day. You don't get a pass if you hurt others. You don't get a pass if you allow your children to hurt others.

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  5. He said he would kill again early on in the interview then contradicts it saying he wouldnt at end. They never learn really.

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  6. to say this is a bleeding heart knee jerk reaction is to be completely ignorant about the issue.

    This is at the core of the drugwar. 250K ninis comprise narco 3rd layer work force. This kid is a bit atypical in so much he began HS, usually they do not even get to go to middle school. many are illiterate and have no job opportunities. They become a huge recruiting pool, endless, for narcos.

    For each one "caught" hundreds continue, so even if he were to be hanged, BFD...it does nothing, nothing at all, so why not look for ways to change the evil that exists?

    They are clearly responsible for their choices and actions, but in order to create change that affects organized crime one must realize that children must be given opportunity, education just as the middle class and wealthy kids get in Mx. School is not for everyone in Mx.

    Sitting back barking out "kill the lil bastard" is about as effective as spitting to put out a forest fire. It is an approach that is shallow, ignorant and ineffective.

    He should be fully punished, but we must learn from him and others, look at the big picture to create solutions for future generations.

    and I am a conservative, but one that is compassionate and human in my approach, a thinking conservative, more are like me than the vocal take no prisoners approach that gives us a bad rep. Paz, Chivis

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    1. Chivis, I'm gonna put this in perspective VERY WELL for all to understand this. Some people are WIRED a certain way, NOTHING can be changed. This guy said he WAS CURIOUS about the way the cartels worked when he saw the news, he's WIRED to do CRAZY shit at the opportunity to do bad shit. I mean, he was ONLY nervous when he killed the cop. Seriously, WTF???!!! Look, I have a friend and he has a Masters from USC and his brother who's a year younger is in prison, always on and off from jail. Both were raised the same. Now look, I have TWIN daughters that are 3 years old. I have raised them the SAME!!! One LOVES princess shit, all pink, typical girl. The other LOVES darth vader, captain hook, jafar, color blue. Get the point??? They are FUKEN wired a certain way!!! The problem is simple, FUKEN GOVERNMENT corruption!!!! They allow the cartels to run for MONEY!!! In the US this shit don't exist cus its not part of the culture and not all WIRED people are given the opportunity to kill, now some do take those opportunities but they're proposed less than in mexico. I REALLY REALLY want you to respond to this and let me know what you think. Its really important to me.

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    2. Chivis, I'm gonna put this in perspective VERY WELL for all to understand this. Some people are WIRED a certain way, NOTHING can be changed. This guy said he WAS CURIOUS about the way the cartels worked when he saw the news, he's WIRED to do CRAZY shit at the opportunity to do bad shit. I mean, he was ONLY nervous when he killed the cop. Seriously, WTF???!!! Look, I have a friend and he has a Masters from USC and his brother who's a year younger is in prison, always on and off from jail. Both were raised the same. Now look, I have TWIN daughters that are 3 years old. I have raised them the SAME!!! One LOVES princess shit, all pink, typical girl. The other LOVES darth vader, captain hook, jafar, color blue. Get the point??? They are FUKEN wired a certain way!!! The problem is simple, FUKEN GOVERNMENT corruption!!!! They allow the cartels to run for MONEY!!! In the US this shit don't exist cus its not part of the culture and not all WIRED people are given the opportunity to kill, now some do take those opportunities but they're proposed less than in mexico. I REALLY REALLY want you to respond to this and let me know what you think. Its really important to me.

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  7. Nicely stated Chivis, it is complicated and la chucky's policies and finger prints are all over this as a big contributing factor

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    1. Alot of kids grow up seriously poor and i dont mean going without an ipod i mean going without a place to live and eat sometimes and with an alcoholic parent but i knew damn well better than that.i knew not to kill people.he should not be free to inflict that on another family.they should have him trapped with la chucky maybe that would scare him straight

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  8. You see him crying but if he was set free he will kill again. We all have a choice, he chose to kill, someone should return the favor.

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  9. Texcoco if you live in Mexico then you know as well as I do that if he is set free he will be dead within days, probably by the hand of another teenager sent by his own cartel, that's why such young kids are being recruited, easy to attract, easy to manipulate, disposable and easy to replace, Chivis said it well, we have to look further, look at the causes, this kid is a murderer but why did he become one, what factors pushed him in that direction, that's the root of the problem

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  10. its not just the education or poverty every time You turn on the TV or radio The Narco lifestyle is glorified in America especially. young kids turn on the tv and see their favorite actor/musician glorifying violence and disregard for life and respect.Its sad the young generation think that thats what they are supposed to do.Im not trying to exonerate him at all just trying to put things in perspective.

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    1. Thats when parents need to turn the shit off and learn to tell their kids no.if they dont listen then you break your foot off up in their ass.

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  11. READERS:
    I was sent a foto that is supposed to be Chapo.
    I made a little comparative collage and posted it on forum.. you be the judge

    http://borderland-beat-forum.924382.n3.nabble.com/New-Chapo-Photo-You-Be-the-Judge-td4043580.html

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  12. A person cannot know what and how wrobg feels till one dpes it. Until one ubderstands it. It sucks for this youbg man to fin out the hardway.
    I was on the streets doing me before becase life didnt seem so important ubtil i almost lost it and i became educated, to understand the fctors That Lead Many youbf people in the wrong path. And the first most important ones we cannot never avoid, is family love and education. Those two are they foundinf keys to a productive member of society. Thibk twice before you judhge a person. He at least recognise and frlt remorse fpor what he did. Evb when there was no turbing back. It should be a wake up call to others, ans remember some people might not be banginf, or become sicarios. But they may also have skeletons in their closets.

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  13. Around the World Young criminals sing the same tune! Poverty,Drugs,Bad influence ?? A persons age has no bearing whatsoever on the HARM a person can cause. Society YOU and I have a overiding RIGHT to safety and security, far above any consideration for the Youth of a criminal. States the world over do a medium job of protecting people, if errors are made they must be made AT THE EXPENSE OF CRIMINALS.Hang the little Bastard!!

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  14. Chivis they killed the guys that were arrested in Nuevo Laredo for the shooting I think they were cdg they were killed in prision. They say el mayito from the zetas is the boss in that jail . How can he be in jail and still be sending drugs to Laredo

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  15. Ya that's chapo for sure how old is the picture

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  16. I'm becoming a bigger and bigger believer in not judging people who come from a different background than you.

    ONE REASON IS: that I used to be skeptical about hearing that "these kids have no chance, they've never known anything else". I thought it was just a cop out way to put the blame on someone (the parents) rather than consider any genetic factor. BUT I spoke with a grad student in Guadalajara who works on educating little kids so they don't get into crime.

    HER PERSPECTIVE IS; that families are used to the idea that family members might get murdered tomorrow, or that it's normal to turn to crime, in the same way that any family is used to the idea that they might die from cancer. It sucks but they accept that it might happen.

    MY POINT IS: We're not all in the same position as this kid, being born into a rough family. Like many Mexican families, his parents may have had the perspective: have as many kids as you can, as young as you can, whether or not you can afford it, because that's the only thing that will get me honour. Growing up in a place like that can drive kids to make mistakes. Mistakes that I might not make because I have a good family. So my point is,

    DO RESERVE JUDGMENT OF HIS CHARACTER!

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    1. Dude, you're lame. See the response above that I left on Chivis post, about being WIRED a certain way, really doing bad shit has nothing to do with killing or raping. Its like child molestors, they're WIRED. NOT ALL kids that are poor and have a bad upbringin turn to crime but those that are WIRED do!!!

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    2. Dude, you're lame. See the response above that I left on Chivis post, about being WIRED a certain way, really doing bad shit has nothing to do with killing or raping. Its like child molestors, they're WIRED. NOT ALL kids that are poor and have a bad upbringin turn to crime but those that are WIRED do!!!

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    3. Wired? I dont know about that but being of a young age its easier for him to be influenced.. and his education or lack thereof, his upbringing, his economic background, his friends, all these things do play a big part in his decision to live that lifestyle... I believe in second chances but not when it involves taking lives of others. -

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  17. "SI NO ME HUBIERAN AGARRADO, CLARO QUE SI" this is what he answers when asked if he would kill again, which thanslates : " IF I HADN'T BEEN CAUGHT" Which i believes it gives a completely different meaning

    I think he misunderstood the question, anyone agrees? he meant in his answer that if he had not been caught he would had killed again

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  18. 5:52...I completely agree. If it were just about poverty and lack of opportunity, most countries of the world would have a higher murder rate than Mexico. what I thought was interesting about the interview was how the mother and everyone around him seems to gradually accept His chosen career path. And that there is the crux of the bigger problem in Mexico. The turning off the blind eye to all the ills that happens within one's own family.

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    1. Reason why he was accepted to be a sicario by his mom/da was CLEAR, they would kill him and probably his family, the parents weren't stupid, they knewd this. They didn't turn the blind eye. But YOU my friend, YOU are stupid. Why can't people read seriously? But from what I remember in school, 90% of students had reading comprehension problems and ur one of them.

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  19. lol at the creepy sound effects.

    this kid lucky he in chains talking to cops and not cdg.

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  20. When i was that age my dad or my mom would have fucked me up

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    1. Amen to that.i would have gotten a serious beatdown in front of they police.my mom didnt care if u fucked up u was gonna get your ass kicked for it

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  21. ....I would love to ask him for directions one day....and watch his face while he breathes the blood and tries to live.

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  22. Some people are happy in their cloud of ignorance/stupidity, it is easy judging while both feet planted in another nation. They are not people that could make a bit a difference anyway, but it is amusing. They miss the point that you are not talking about this one case. Don't worry it is not lost on some.

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    1. Dont matter what country u come from or which one youre in WRONG IS WRONG. I came out of oakland calif not a very nice place at all as far as crime & murder go.4th most dangerous city in america but o still knew better than that at that age.make all the excuses u want but there is not one single good one for killing people for money

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  23. First, I very much appreciate the videos and translations.

    The videos give one lots to think about concerning Mexican youth who get into homicides for pay (and other perks).

    The thing that bothered me most in the video was the interviewer's "bad" habit of asking leading questions from a conventional perspective. These kind of leading questions give sociopaths convenient "escape responsibility" opportunities.

    In effect, the young man was allowed to paint a picture of himself as "victim" by the interviewer.

    The video is what it is... and we are lucky to have it... it does provide some "insights" but it would have been better if the kid had been interviewed in a more "naturalistic" setting by someone with ethnographic or anthropological research experience.

    Mexico-Watcher
    P.S. The video interviews I saw with the famous "El Ponchis" suffered from the same faults.

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  24. @6:47pm which shooting are you talking about?? the one the other day when they were lobbing grenades too?

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  25. His parents sound real nice people. "Oh go to work and maim and mutilate innocent people or cops its fine as long as you come home safely"

    Fuck them there just as bad as he is.

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  26. These kids go bad because there is no strong family foundation.the dad was in jail or something & the mom what can she do. You have be strong spritually & mentally and as a parent give thought to every aspect and decision regarding your children period....that's why Mexico & society has hit rock bottom..

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  27. people just are how they are my three older brothers were brought up exactly the same when my dad wasa drunk they put up with his shit to the point where my family lived in a park for months one time 2 of them are now legal citizens and hardworking guys the other one is a living in Mexico as the town junkie that is sooner or later gonna end up dead he was a petty crook here in the u.s me on the other hand I was born 10 years later when everything was OK I never saw my dad drink or ever saw anything bad like that yet the only thing holding me back from killing so many people at work and at school and everywhere is one simple thing law enforcement if I had a free shot at killing someone that pissed me off and no one would ever find out I would not hesitate.... my point is people are how they are no matter what

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    1. EXACTLY. "Wired". This guy straight up accepts it.

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  28. 3:56am you must not be in Mexico. stop comparing what is in mexico against us that is apples and oranges. you would not live in park. that is more US.

    there is no good guy definition in mx, bad guys wear police and military uniforms not just narcos being bad. no where to turn, no one to identify to trust. you do what is told or pay consequences, turn to drugs to cope and to be able to do the tasks.

    ponchis had no remorse he is a bad seed he is different. no mother or father since birth. like bad seed everywhere. society is best off with him dead but most kids are not like that who get caught up. they don't want to do this things, but narcos like to use them because penalty is low if caught and jailed, punitive sentence has not caught up with these crimes yet. often narcos will storm the facility and free the sicarios that have good training.

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    1. Well they allowed themselves to be disarmed thats part of the problem not all of it but part.try taking a mans guns in the u.s and u would get your ass shot.i already know alot of people who said they would shoot to kill if the gvt tried to take their guns and with 300 plus million of them in the hands of citizens we will NEVER let that happen

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  29. Can't believe this guys mom was ok with it and was casual about oh be careful. WTF???? The problem is the parents who have no control whatsoever with this kid. I know a few folks in Mexico who live hand to mouth and killing for hire is not a option, they are good hard working wonderful people. They do not have a lot of possessions but they damn sure don't go around shooting cops or anyone for that matter. Being poor does mean you have to kill other humans to get a meal. This is some bullshit that the cartels are exploiting the poor and uneducated in Mexico, which alot of cartel members are themselves. I have been in dire circumstances before no where to live and nothing to eat and never once did a thought pop up that I must kill people to survive. You either are a killer or you are not. Greed is the major factor today in Mexico not survival.

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    1. ok hey um i their life not yours

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  30. easy to sit back and look from afar but don't worry the cartels have had years to infiltrate the USA with operatives. Just make sure you buy plenty of depends for the day that you see 40 truck convoys going through your small city or town. each truck carrying 4 heavily armed drugged up teenage killers.
    "pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the sloth of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group"

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    1. It would be a sticky situation considering i know alot of people here that have the same kind of weapons they do and i know this for a fact cause i am one of them and everybody where i live is heavily armed i know that for a fact too.guess it would be like the shootout at the o.k corral.it aint gonna be as easy for them to do that here in the u.s as it is for them in mx

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  31. WTF ever, It's irrevelant that this kid came from a "poor" perhaps broken family, when he was younger! Shit! 2/3rds of Mexico exists in the same condition! No, this kid is a victim of his own stupidity and thinking he knew better than everybody else! Nobody forced this psycho to join the Zetas, do drugs, etc..He's repented now because he was caught! If not this cocksucker would be working on his next murder or abduction! I'm sorry, regardless of your economic or social situation, you always have a choice...perhaps the "hard" choice....which usually is the right one, gets overlooked in favor the "easiest" but the easy way usually doesn't end well.

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  32. but this little fuck up is still alive ...

    what about the policeman he killed ?

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  33. This kid here is 16.There are fuckin millions of him,millions of him without a fuckin future,without shit,but they got a lot of hate,a lot of"who gives a fuck"and if people want to say,"oh he had a choice"well,i think he didn't have much of a choice,i imagine if he had some kind of opportunity who knows?But right now,him and millions more,don't give a fuck about you,me,and anyone else,they want to make money,and the"only"way they can,is by going out in a truck and pulling a trigger and killing someone,poverty and crime?No,its not related is it(sarcasm)dont see to many middle class sicarios around.Lots of down dirty disposable street kids with fuck all though,,no,now im being a bleeding heart,,,,,,,no just realism.

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  34. i disagree with the liberal sounding folks they should kill off this individual.i say this because of the fact there are alot more kids in mexico alone who live in even worser conditions and dont get involved in this bs.there parents dont let them get involved/would support(the parents of this individual should be killed off aswell).atleast he got to highschool.most kids cant even go to school.

    also mexico has a population of 115 million people(source wiki).according to all the media sources ive seen the death toll is in the 10,000s(some sources count 4 or more years total)and majority of the violence is in the border states.my point here is that like the violence i believe the nini sicario problem is exaggerated(especially since the highest counts ive seen are in 10,000s-100,000s not million).

    one more thing can someone please tell me what is the difference between drug cartel and street gang.i ask because after doing research on the two it seems to me the drug cartels dont fit the definition cartel but street gang which by the way shouldnt be surprising to people they have teens involved.

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  35. i dont feel sorry one bit for this asshole, hang da mother fcker from his balls, u had a choice n u chose to kill, im so happy ur ass is going to burn in hell..............

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  36. The most important in this BB Post is the value of the interview and WHAT IT REVEALS

    We need more, MORE of this Behind The Scenes COVERAGE

    voz Mx

    Saludos a todos

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  37. Understand the PARTICIPANTS involved in the criminal world and only then can you work on counterring the destructive forces that are TAKING OVER Mexico -- and such destructive forces ARE taking over Mexico, ALARM BELLS R.I.N.G. !!!

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  38. I'm not judging him at all, killers and rapists belong in prison, he owned up that he fucked up, price comes with everything

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