Sunday, August 26, 2012

Chaos In Guadalajara As It Experiences A Surge In Violence

 Chivis Martinez for Borderland Beat
UPDATE: Follow link for report saying federal police deny Mencho was captured HERE
                 Thank you to the reader who sent in the link...

Leader of CJNG, "El Mencho" Captured?

 
Gunmen created narco blockades  blocking highways throughout Guadalajara, Mexico's second biggest city. On Saturday  vehicles were set on fire amid a surge in drug-war violence.
Though no official information had been released, information was flowing through Twitter and other social networks.  Reports of large groups and convoys of heavily armed masked men were conducting shootings, blockades and terrorizing people throughout Jalisco.
Reports from: Guadalajara, Zapopan, Guzman, Tuxucca, Tlaquepaque, Tonila and Tlajomulco among other cities involved.
Police confirmed seven unauthorized roadblocks constructed with charred, smoldering cars and trucks within the Guadalajara city limits and 15 others in the surrounding Jalisco .
Luis Carlos Najera, police chief for Jalisco state, told reporters "We don't know who is behind this operation," he said.  However later is was reported  that there was an apprehension of  Oceguera Nemesio Cervantes, "El Mencho", alleged leader of the New Generation Jalisco Cartel, which allegedly drove the surge in vehicle crashes and fires committed by members of organized crime in this entity and Colima.


Officials from the Federal Ministry of Public Security (SSP)  confirmed that the series of violent acts were due to the arrest of suspected drug trafficker El Mencho who operates in alliance with the Sinaloa cartel led by Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman.

The agency explained that the capture took place in the town of Tonaya, with the support of five Black Hawk helicopters and one Mi-17. In the operation, six suspected attackers were killed, three injured federal police.


Guadalajara has not seen the level of drug cartel-related violence as other areas, but similar flaming roadblocks shook the city in early March as military forces successfully sought to arrest a prominent cartel leader.
Jalisco state has been a stronghold of the Sinaloa Cartel since the 1980s, when traffickers first started to use Mexico as a "trampoline" to bounce cocaine into the United States.
It has recently seen an upsurge in violence as Sinaloa Cartel gunmen battle rivals from the  Zetas cartel, which is displacing older trafficking groups in many parts of Mexico.

WAKE OF VIOLENCE MAP- Source La Nigua (Click To Enlarge)
Sources used to write this post: Peridico el Sur-Reuters-Milenio-La Nigua
Interesting comment from a reader coomenting on the thread of this story:
 
As far as I know no public pictures exist of Mencho. I just learned of the ssp announcement. It may also be worthwhile to mention that Erick Valencia Salazar (el 85) at no point was #1 of CDJNG, it was Mencho who they were after when Erick was arrested. Mencho managed to get away. Mencho was one of Ignacio Coronel's right hand men. After his death he formed CDJNG to fight the new alliance between the Valencia family and la familia who desperately wanted Jalisco. And yes CDJNG is still a cell of CDS. That will never change since Jalisco is a strategic state for drug production and south American drug imports. Sinaloa will never let go of it.
 

85 comments:

  1. Man she stole another post?Goes on about stealing,and rips someone else?It was on forum by someone else.No doubt im wrong.

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    1. Whatever shill. Who do you work for? Your transparency is blinding... I bet you creamed yourself that you got to have the first post you little worm.

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  2. What a loosers .... These gangs should go back to the rock they crawled out from under and keep stick to making babies with their sisters ....... Jerks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    1. Dude your talking about west virginia.

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    2. Hahaha no... that's the white man he's talking about

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  3. El Mencho leader CJNGays was captured. Those guys are ratting on themselves. All these leaders being caught.

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  4. "El Mencho leader CJNGays was captured"
    Is it strange that he was captured after Lazcas main man Charro was topped?The federales caught him almost as soon as comandante Charro was gettin his face blew off by Mencho an his crew?
    C,mon people whats your mofuckin theorys lets hear that shieeeit.I wanna see the vid of charro as well,they holdin his head up by the hair.
    CJNG always got that video vibe goin on,fuck em all.

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    1. Where did you see the video?

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  5. If you follow events here in Mexico, livestream so to speak, then you will realize that when you guys are confidently misinforming the public about how the Zs are done, they split, the are going down, etc etc, here in Mexico every violent act that involves massive police deployments usually have the Zs involved in one way or another.

    On another note, how the fuck are these CT going to put out a communique for unity against the Zs when they themselves want to take over jalisco route through Guada, meanwhile the Zs are pushing consistently south into Jalisco through Zacatecas, the Gulf Cartel cant make up its mind about who to form an alliance with, the CJNG or CT or LFM or CDS, just about every Guerrero faction is trying to push upwards through Michoacan and Morelos, Beltran Leyvas and Carrillo Fuentes are holding on to Mexico City and its surroundings at all costs with the backing of the Zs from Queretaro through Hidalgo and San Luis, down to Puebla, Veracruz Tabasco and Oaxaca and meanwhile the North...the list is endless and mindboggling if you try to wrap your mind around it.

    Its pointless to even try to deal with every detail because the next day reality will prve how obivious the public really is with regards to this so called Mexican Drug War, I guess that is why people for the most part are either Z or CDS cheerleaders, LOL.

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    1. Toluca, Nesa and,chalco, Mexico DF are all part of LFM for all you pendegos who for what ever reason think they are finished, YOU ARE WRONG. Also LFM still controls between 8 and 14 municipalidases in Michoaca, a big part of Jalisco, Colima, Guanaguato, Guerrero and Moeelos so wake up and smell the coffee why do you think Tutas.people HAD TO GOIN WITH TWO OTHER CARTELS in Guerrero and DF to try and take those plazas from the LFM? Does anyone here actually know what im talking about? Tuta goined with El Cartel del Centro in DF and the surrounding areas to fight the LFM and take away that plaza,from them. Also in Guerrero and specially in the city of Acapulco Tuta goined wkth a much smaller cartel called CIDA which stands for Cartel Independiente de Acapulco to fight off the LFM, Los Rojos and the Beltran Leyva/Zetas alliance. So dont count LFM out gust yet. Look at the 3 hour shoot out the gust had with the Guerreros Unidos(Caballeros, Centro and CIDA thats what they call themselves when they gang up on LFM). At least 30 dead, now compare that ONE FUCKING GHN BATTLE with hoe Z40 and El Taliban Z50 are fighting each other like pussy gurls.

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  6. Don't worry in a few days they'll come out with videos and mantas apologize again for theyr action saying they were just so mad at the goverment for not letting them work idiots.

    - Loks-

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    1. LMAO...Yup, the CJNG was supposed to be a viglantae group against Los Zetas..LOL...they keep proving to the public evey now and again that their statments are self contradictory and the CJNG are bastard sumbag shit like any other narco gang..Let them narco bastards kill each other and do society a favour..Viva Mexico.

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  7. Some of us from the USA want to report on the drug wars, could you be alittle more detailed as you say z's vs CDS.

    CJNG ? CT ? LFM? CDS?

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    1. Z= zeta
      CDS = cartel de Sinaloa
      CDG = cartel de golfo
      CT = caballeros templarios
      CJNG = Jalisco new generation cartel
      LFM = la familia michoacan

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  8. The guy in the pic is EL 53.

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  9. It's not 100% confirmed that Mencho was detained. I do know for sure that the military and federales are guarding the SEMEFO in GDL (govt morgue). I'm assuming they have the body there of someone very high profile. As of now both el occidental and milenio were reporting that Mencho was detained without citing an official source. I just find it weird that all this started off in tonaya, Jalisco when federales got into a shootout yesterday killing 6 cartel members. Mencho supposedly was arrested early Friday morning. Why did it take them that long to react? I'm going to keep my eye on this story. If no one is presented to the media on Monday, then Mencho is still at large.
    Saludos...

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  10. And that's not Mencho in the pic. There are no know pics of him as of now.

    Saludos...

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  11. I SMELL CIA HAND IN ALL THIS ....CJNG or CT or LFM or CDS DO NOT HAVE THE BRAINS AND DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS BEHIND AND WHAT THE MAIN GOAL IS.....

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    1. Who is the CIA backing?

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    2. No bosses involve themselves with the CIA stop pulling shit out of your ass to feel like you know something. When you have money and power you can buy people who are the best at whatever they do just like the government to help you America has no power our country does not need you. Your government teaches you that we are uneducated and live in dirt huts with no roads and shit in holes in the ground your news is tailored to what they want you to hear and know. The truest true you know is the biggest lie and if you ever learn the truth you'd kill yourself because you are weak

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    3. What a douchebag ...not all mexicans ...just you joe :)

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    4. The sad thing is part of what you say about the way people live in Mexico is true. Where I live (not a small town but a large border city in Mexico) hat is true. Many people here live in cardboard houses and still use outhouses or holes in the ground. So don't be so quick to throw stones at us Americans unless what you speak is completely true

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  12. @3:33

    do you know where i can find a photo?
    this is the only one i could find that could possibly him. and you say no.

    as for verification...there has been the announcement from ssp, I would like PGR to weigh in but prob soon. I did not get from Milenio it is from Nigua and Sur

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  13. I am going with you guys on this one...its down we will wait for the presentation...

    @3:23 in the absense of better identifying the cartels and using abreviations...just google:
    What is _________ cartel.
    it will pop up

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  14. "I SMELL CIA HAND IN ALL THIS" ?
    I SMELL ECTASY AND CRAIK IN YOU ?
    CIA?DAYYYUMM IS YOU MEXICAN ? CIA ? I GIVE UP,CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN IT TO ME ?

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  15. Congrats Mexico your bad ass corrido heros officialy fucked this country up...

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  16. He was not captured.

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  17. What a shame. Stupid worthless idiot gangbangers have taken control and are allowed to run amuck like loveless little teenagers with guns, cocaine, stolen trucks and money. Those little motherfuckers need to be dealt with. WITH AN IRON FIST!! When they Set up road Blocks destroy them and their network round up thier families and spank the shit out of everyone.!! Worthless little fucking dirty common criminals!! Death and bad shit to all of them!!! .

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    1. You are a fucking idiot. these guys are far from being gangbangers, these guys aren't throwing their hood up! For them its all about the money and inflicting fear, these guys aren't a bunch of cagados fighting over colors!

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    2. ^^ Respeto!!! I have alot of respect for you for acknowledging that. This is business nothing more nothing less. Everyone has an opinion that we are idiots controlled by the C.I.A jajaja arriba CDC y Matamoros
      A-1

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  18. Hello Chivis,
    As far as I know no public pictures exist of Mencho. I just learned of the ssp announcement. It may also be worthwhile to mention that Erick Valencia Salazar at no point was #1 of CDJNG, it was Mencho who they were after when Erick was arrested. Mencho managed to get away. Mencho was one of Ignacio Coronel's right hand men. After his death he formed CDJNG to fight the new alliance between the Valencia family and la familia who desperately wanted Jalisco. And yes CDJNG is still a cell of CDS. That will never change since Jalisco is a strategic state for drug production and south American drug imports. Sinaloa will never let go of it.
    Thank you Chivis for all work.

    Saludos...

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  19. 4:19...thank you!
    I posted your comment at the bottom of my post.
    good info for those not knowing where CDJNG came in and how..Paz, Chivis

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  20. To DFL ...the USA WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO START to be deal with WITH AN IRON FIST!!
    Atleast if you bring down the need for drugs these little teenagers with guns, cocaine, stolen trucks and money can go back to school or a decent job ...STOPyour demand for so much drugs and take a look at what will happen.

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    1. Bullshit!!!!!! These kids can't even go to school becouse there are quotas that need to be paid in order for kids to go to school in mex. Also most of these kids running around with guns and coke. Where's the parents? Where's the mexican values of unity? Where's the pride? Stop pointing the finger and lets look for solutions. We can start by telling all the Mexicans here in the us to stop getting high. That's a good start.. Malcolm mex

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    2. Stop the drugs and then they can focus more on extortion and kidnapping . Get a clue dumbass.

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    3. Tell your friends and family to stop getting high. DUMB ASS..

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    4. It is poverty señor and until that is addresses, the rest does not matter. Please educate yourself. If there were no drugs they will prey on the rest of you with kidnapping, extortion, etc..

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  21. Your welcome Chivis.
    Many may be speculating that this will be the end of CDJNG. I highly doubt it. It's run by one of the most violent and powerful cartels in Mexico, Cartel de Sinaloa. It's my personal theory that on of the higher ranking jefes de plaza will take control of the cartel (most of the plazas are located in southern Jalisco). As far as I know here is how the leadership of the cartel was structured as of last year.

    1. Mencho
    2. El 53
    3. Erick Valencia (85)
    4. El zopilote (was jefe de plaza of tecalitlan and the reason la familia/ la resistencia attacked teca on dec 12 2010).

    All of these men have been arrested.

    Saludos...

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  22. For all who try to make a point that this violence also happens in America, I can asure you, theres not one blockade anywhere in this country. Mexico is completely lawless at this point.

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  23. @4:08pm
    Sounds like a scene out of the south side of Chicago. Urban youth with crack, stolen cars, guns and money.

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  24. jaja I was going to write that the word on SOME media sources etc is CNJG is now crippled and will be rendered useless. That would be a very interesting turn of events. I don't know if you saw my comment about large comboys de los zetas were spotted (3 of them) in jalico on friday. I was making a point that we hear very little and said infact comboys were spotted etc. that was before all hell broke loose. now I wonder what the hell that was about? seems sharks were on point? smelling blood?

    Like you I doubt this is the end of CJNG thanks for the comments, I am sure readers are grateful to hear from someone respectful and knowledgable. We get so many interesting comments that we can't use, the language is so vile or racist, too bad because some are great points, there is no way for us to edit comments so we have to delete.

    Curious, are you in Jalisco or connected to someone that is? Much of my family is in Jalisco y sonora. ...paz chivis

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  25. "For all who try to make a point that this violence also happens in America, I can asure you, theres not one blockade anywhere in this country. Mexico is completely lawless at this point."

    Parts of Mexico are lawless, not all of it. The USA had similar problems with lawlessness in the 1920s and 1930s.

    Having said that, this situation is definately more complex than it was in the US back in those days. That is because Mexico has a weaker central government than the US did back then.

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  26. word out here is taliban didnt join up with any contras.hes creating his own cartel in zacatecas.

    -tyrone-

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    1. wow if thats true than the zetas are together and just trying to fool the rest by saying they split up. that means taliban will distract carteles unidos in order for the zetas to destroy the gulf cartel. they have allies juarez and blo to help them surround the gulf and the gulf wont have carteles unidos to helpem if they busy in states closer to Sinaloa. thats probly why CT is fighting zetas in the state of Mex. but only god knows whats going on.

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  27. @Chivis
    Yes I have a good amount of family in southern Jalisco. I was born here in the good ole U.S.A but I have dual citizenship in Mexico. I travel to Jalisco twice a year and am actively involved in a small hunting/shooting club in the region. I was actually in nothern Sonora a few months ago, it's a beautiful state I must say.

    Saludos...

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  28. As far as the zeta convoys in jalisco what I do know is that zetas frequently enter jalisco through Zacatecas and Nayarit to steal vehicles and try to escape before thu are spotted by halcones and cds/CDJNG members chase them back to their areas (they usually stay right at the border of these two states in order to make a quick retreat). I believe this happened up north in magdalena Jalisco not too long ago.

    Saludos...

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  29. I posted this question a couple of weeks ago in the main forum but it didn't get much of a response - maybe it's a dumb question but here goes.....

    Could Leon, or Guanajuato get as messy as Guadalajara in the near future? It sounds like they've got more troops in the State but that seems like it has often been a lead in into more violence in general.

    Any predictions on increased action in Leon, Guanajuato, Queretaro? Unfortunately, it seems like less and less areas are safe and it's just anyone's guess?

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    1. the zs are moving more to those areas because they want to isolate every cartel that way other cartels dont come to help. if you are anywhere near Sinaloa Cartel or its allies territory than yes it will get bloody. especially GTO.

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  30. PF discards the capture of el mencho. ChecK blog guerra contra el narco

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  31. It looks like the media was given false information through an unreliable source. Mencho was not arrested. SSP only has the results of the operation in tonoya in there website. 6 gunmen killed and a small arsenal seized. PF is saying that they didn't arrest anyone by that name.

    Saludos...

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  32. @7:03pm
    It's impossible to know. You would need a fortune teller to know. This violence your seeing in guadalajara is the result of an operation that was intended to capture mencho.
    Saludos...

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  33. Told you all he was not captured haha i knew right from the get go

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    1. Good for you!! You did it all by yourself too!! You're awesome man!! What else do you know?

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  34. In which publication was that Estela de Violencia infographic map originally published? Gracias.

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  35. If Taliban is creating his own cartel he has to have an truce with another cartel I think it would be to difficult for another cartel to emerge with all this drama going on with the cartels now present ... I just hope the z get wiped off for the sake of all innocent people

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    1. The Z is playing checkers. they already allies with Juarez and BLO. they just want control of Eastern Mex but the gulf is there. now how to defeat the gulf and carteles unidos??? cause havoc on the other side so carteles unidos go back and leave the golfos by themselves and once that happens da zs will destroy the gulf cartel and completely control eastern mexico with its allies from juarez and BLO in central mexico. than sinaloa, cjng, CT will be next and they will first cut through jalisco as a distraction to sinaloa while michoacans LFM and CT get destroyed bad. the Zs have the manpower and are EX-Military. those dirty fucks dat u see decapitated on videos are fake zs dat da real zs hire to do stupid shit. i hope the Mexican Military can handle these monsters all cartels are monsters fuckem all fuck los zetas, fuck chapo fuckem! but im just stating the facts.

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    2. LOL!!!! Keep dreaming buddy! And 1 out of every 1,000 is probably a true ex-military

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  36. It is either El Sur or Nigua, I listed them at bottom sorry I can't remember I looked at so many reports...

    as for the update of Non capture. Did SSP retrack their announcement or did PGR say it is not so...who exactly or a link PLEASE. it would not be the first time one agency jump the gun..I said earlier I would feel better if it were PGR. Let me know..

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  37. @7:23PM

    I know...it is def the sleezies that steal from everyone they are a little pissed because people have been calling them out on it, and i left a little love letter for them. The thieves calling us thieves. I let the comment in, we have been getting them about all of us being thieves. At least we give source credit. The funniest is when they rip off my original post with english and spanish and they translated spanish to spanish. funny.

    can't please everyone, and with these bunch of scum not pleasing them tells me I am doing something right.

    @8:01 I found it and it was La Nigua.com go to it and in search type "Jalisco" it pops right up,
    El Universal has a pretty good one also, but I preferred this one..
    ....Paz, Chivis

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    1. No problem Chivis, these people stealing your work should be ashamed of themselves. You put in too much time and work here to have some feckless little slam pig accuse you of stealing. They really kind of gave away their whole agenda with that first post too. I highly doubt it's just some observant reader. Nothing is sacred to some people...keep up the good work!
      -el blanco guy

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  38. Officially, El Mencho is not captured
    http://www.notisistema.com/noticias/?p=523332

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  39. what does cdc stand for?

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    1. CDS = cártel de sinaloa

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    2. Center for disease control. ;)

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    3. Center for disease control

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    4. @11:34 CDC Cartel del Centro or Central Cartel.

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    5. CDC= _Cartel De Culos

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    6. Cartel de California they operate for CDG in California and Nevada each member has to do patrols in Mexico at least 3-5 months out of the year. They're relatively new but in Mexico usually bear the CDG name. They're relatively small just over 100 heads last I heard.

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  40. Sinaloa will never let go of Guadalajara you say. Well if the Zetas take it there will be a lot feet in mouths on BB.

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  41. RE: I posted this question a couple of weeks ago in the main forum but it didn't get much of a response - maybe it's a dumb question but here goes.....

    Could Leon, or Guanajuato get as messy as Guadalajara in the near future? It sounds like they've got more troops in the State but that seems like it has often been a lead in into more violence in general.

    Any predictions on increased action in Leon, Guanajuato, Queretaro? Unfortunately, it seems like less and less areas are safe and it's just anyone's guess?

    @7:03pm
    It's impossible to know. You would need a fortune teller to know. This violence your seeing in guadalajara is the result of an operation that was intended to capture mencho.

    Thanks for your response. It sounds like this is not cartel vs. cartel - as far as anyone can tell at this point.

    I guess there may be or usually is local politics involved but it does make you wonder what could keep this from spreading to other areas...

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  42. @9:33 PM The Z's used to be ex military. As it stands now, Lazca is the last one standing. Z-40 was Nuevo Leon street gang kid that came up through the ranks, he isn't military.

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    1. Can't believe u have the balls to try and correct someone,u ignorant peasant.z40 from Nuevo Leon??....find out facts,before u post,idiot.!!

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  43. "what does cdc stand for?"

    I hadn't heard of that one. A typo? Centers for Disease Control and Prevention? Cartels are a disease.....

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  44. @8:06am
    Which plazas do LFM control in Jalisco and Colima? You are completely out of touch with reality. When was the last time you were in Mexico?

    Saludos...

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  45. "STOPyour demand for so much drugs and take a look at what will happen"
    If only Mexico would stop flooding the US with every type of drug.That may be a start.
    This diabolical stream of drugs from Mexico is causing all the violence in their quest for money.

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  46. Mexicans are to stupid,racist and nationalistic to realize what one Mexican poster said.Imagine if there was no revenue at all from drugs?How much worse would good old Mexico be?To the crank always posting of the"US demand for drugs"have you ever thought of any of this you clown?You are to busy trying to apportion blame where it does not come from.Can you imagine how worse the chaos and extortion of business would be?No,i cannot imagine it.It is easy to spout hatred on the US because of a certain racial stereotype against the US.But things are a lot more complicated than that.

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  47. You cannot discuss this situation rationaly,you always get the racist crap against the US.
    We even have complete assholes saying the CIA are involved with some of these capos.They are so intelligent,nothing fools these guys.Mexicans on here are so nationalistic,yet are sitting by whining about the US,any sane person knows this shit been comin a long time.You reap what you sow.This is 100 years of reaping these seeds of chaos,but it is someone else,s fault ?

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  48. For the guy that said Zetas are ex-military at first yea but their is probably a few left from the original maybe a few recruits and some Kaibiles but the Zetas are now made up of mostly brainless people taking orders.

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  49. Is it Mencho or MENSO. Probably MENSO. That name fits him better.

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  50. Good evening 1:26 PM

    Though it's old news, ¿what about Fast & Furious?? How do you think that happened?? And what other dirty little secrets do we not know about?

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    1. Uhhhh you answered your own last question

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  51. Vatos Pendejos, Why isnt the war on drugs fought beginning with the Users?
    Lil, Johhny or Bobby Sue first before exporting your B.S. to other countries.

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  52. "Vatos Pendejos, Why isnt the war on drugs fought beginning with the Users?
    Lil, Johhny or Bobby Sue first before exporting your B.S. to other countries"
    Dayuuum boy,is you stupid.You wanna keep your mouth shut about exporting.Drugs,violence,rape,blah,blah,blah nah mean?Who the pendejo now."Lil,Johhny,Bobby Sue"?
    You been watching dallas to much asshole.You need to get out more,Bobby Sue,sheeiiit.

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  53. Back in the 70s an L.A. gang actually put up road blocks to slow down the police. Also, if my memory is correct, there was a single case of this in the early 90s.

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