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Video of Cadereyta Massacre of 49 as Banners Appear: Zetas Disclaim Responsibility

Tuesday, May 15, 2012 |

Chivis Martinez for Borderland Beat

WARNING THE FOLLOWING VIDEO IS EXTREMELY GRAPHIC DEPICTING THE CARNAGE OF THE 49 EXECUTED AND DUMPED IN CADEREYTA
Note:  Message in Video reads: "This goes to all gulfos, Chapos, Marines, Huachos and government. Nobody can do anything to us.
You don't have a chance.
Sincerely: El Loco ,  Z40 and Commander Lazcano"
video
Banner displayed with the bodies
In the main cities of Zacatecas appeared narco mantas (banners)  in which the  Los Zetas cartel disclaims responsibility for the mutilation deaths of 49 people in Nuevo Leon.

Narco banners could be seen the early hours of this morning, in Zacatecas and Guadalupe where at least two were placed, while  the city of Fresnillo has confirmed two additional banners.
In Fresnillo a banner was placed on a pedestrian bridge, Paseo del Mineral, also one on the avenue Varela Rico, facing the food market. Banners were placed in areas of heavy morning traffic.

In each of the Zeta banners, the message is the same,  they  disassociate themselves from the slaughter that occurred in Nuevo Leon, accusing  the federal government of  not conducting an complete investigation, and asked the government to do so in both the recent massacre of 49 and previous executions. 

The banners were removed by members of police forces before 8:30 am.
In July last year members of the cartel hung several banners in different parts of the city to disassociate  the cartel  from the attack in a bar in Monterrey where 20 people were executed.
Manta Text Translated:
 
“Javier del Real, Jorge Domene, Adrian de la Garza. The Zetas group distance ourselves (from responsibility) from  the 49 dismembered bodies in Nuevo Leon and we ask that before blaming us, check real good, INVESTIGATE. Do your job like you are supposed to.
“Just because somebody goes and dumps a truck full of bodies and leave a message (supposedly) from zetas, you are not suppose to continue with your job (?). And to make things easier, you even do a press conference and that way you remove your responsibility of investigating.

“Gentlemen don't be fools, those who did this want to make us responsible. For example when we put messages we say "Las Golfas" (slang whores (feminine) and they use 'Golfos'  gentlemen don't be fools analyze the things and don't do your job in a lazy way, just to release from the big load, and also think if we would've done it ourselves, it will cost us nothing to throw them in Reynosa? They dumped them in Nuevo Leon because that is our territory.

“Gentlemen don't be fools and don't follow the current (don’t go with the flow), investigate, we are not responsible for the 49 deaths. We accept responsibility for the ones in Jalisco and the 9 hanged in Nuevo Laredo, we accept responsibility for those and the banner in Nuevo Laredo, pay attention and see that it says GOLFAS and check all banners that we have placed and it says GOLFAS.

“We invite those who did their job without investigating and the assholes that just wanted to remove the responsibility. Because your solution to the problem is to say it was the Zetas. Or how many of those you have detained say they are Zetas? (Or) That say that they killed them? You don't have any,  and you will never have because it wasn’t us. We ask THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO INVESTIGATE THE EVENTS."

Orginal Spanish Text:
“Javier del Real, Jorge Domene, Adrian (sic) de la Garza. El grupo zetas se deslinda de los 49 descuartizados en Nuevo Leon y les pedimos que antes de echarnos la culpa chequen bien, INVESTIGUEN. Hagan su trabajo como debe ser.
“No solo (sic) porque van y les tiran un camion (sic) con cuerpos con un mensaje zetas, ya no van a continuar haciendo su trabajo. Y por hacer las cosas fáciles hasta conferencia de prensa están dando. Y así se quitan su responsabilidad de investigar.
“Señores no sean tontos los que hicieron eso quieren que responsabilicen de eso (sic). Por ejemplo cuando nosotros ponemos mantas decimos ‘Las Golfas’ y ellos se ponen ‘Golfos’, señores no sean tontos analicen las cosas y no hagan su trabajo a lo fácil. Ya para quitarse el paquetote ese y también pongase a pensar si lo hubiéramos hechos nosotros que nos cuesta tirárselos en Reynosa? Ellos los tiraron en Nuevo León porque es terreno de nosotros.
“Srs. (sic) no sean tontos ni les sigan la corriente, investiguen, nos deslindamos de esos 49 muertos. Solamente los de Jalisco y los 9 colgados en Nuevo Laredo sí aceptamos nuestra responsabilidad y en la manta de Nuevo Laredo pongan atención y dice Golfas y chequen todas las que hemos puesto y dicen Golfas.
“Los invitamos a que hagan su trabajo sin investigar y a los pendejos solo (sic) por quitarse la responsabilidad. Porque ustedes solucionaron el problema fueron los zetas. O cuantos detuvieron tienen que son los zetas. Que digan que ellos los mataron. No tienen ninguno, ni lo tendran (sic) porque no fuimos les pedimos al GOBIERNO FEDERAL QUE INVESTIGUE LAS COSAS”

Addtional Mantas were found in San Luis Potosi and Tamaulipas, text was indentical to the others;

Information Source: Amigos de Tamaulipas, El Eco Canon

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Anonymous said...

The translation is already on the forum?
Translated by Adam?

Chivis said...

I had almost completed my own. and it is posted....Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Idiotic zetas. One can only imagine the drug-adled criminal scum that composed those banal banners.

The absurdity of clarifying which massacres are legitimately theirs. What a joke.

Hey zetas, how about society investigates your parasitic & disgusting cartel? How about after we have investigated, we as society, hang you all from the lightposts?

Be careful what you wish for, you pathetic criminal clowns.

There's a reckoning coming. The cartels are going to get flushed.

Anonymous said...

So they accept responsibility for killing those 14 people that were chosen at random by Juan Carlos Antonio Mercado A.KA."El Chato". He confessed that Fernando hired him to abduct people at random.

“A mí me contrató Fernando, el que los torturaba; yo los levantaba y Fernando los torturaba. Fernando me acompañaba, escogía a las víctimas al azar, él nomás decía ‘a esta persona’“, afirmó.

Anonymous said...

Now the Zetas want the Security Forces to do their job? I thought they kill them for that? What a Joke this is. They know they are going to pay for this one.

Anonymous said...

Tell those guys nobody cares about their stupid denials. We pay attention to your actions not to your words. Too many words. Too much bullshit.

I used to tell my sub-contractors - don't send me any 5 page letters, I don't have time to read them. Therefore, I don't have the time or the patience to read your longwinded banners. Talk is cheap.

J said...

Makes sense it was CDG/CDS, as they in a way started the whole thing with dozens of bodies displayed, last year in Veracruz. The Z's left 72 in San Fernando, and another 170 (?) but not for display. So, the question was, were the 49 meant to look like the Zeta's, or do they want to sway public opinion? And have the feds release the messages, left with the bodies? Also, is it possible the 100% Z was already there? Maybe a reason for the drop?

It's a weak move, if it was CDS/CDG intention to blame Z's, when they know they will just put up banners disputing the claim. I don't think they meant to cause confusion, I think the authorities are by choosing to not disclose the content of the cards.

Anonymous said...

Anybody else think that the 49 dead might be the work of commandante diablo y rey de reyes?

Anonymous said...

Zetas if you are telling the truth take a bullet to the head and we will believe you

Anonymous said...

And how do the zetas know what was in the mantas if it was spelled golfos or golfas because the did it

Anonymous said...

LORD JESUS,
I CRY OUT TO YOU..GIVE ME STRENGHT AND LET NOT MY HEART BE HARDENED WITH ALL THAT IS GOING ON AROUND US. I PRAY THAT THE PUEBLO WILL STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR RIGHTEOUNESS SAKE..GIVE THEM COURAGE AND STRENGTH. iN YOU YOUR HOLY NAME
I PRAY...AMEN

Anonymous said...

how do zetas know wat was written on mantas if mantas haven't been presented, police from the inside working with zetas,how would zetas know it said "golfos" and not "golfas"???????

Anonymous said...

The big tough zetas are scared! Smash the sheets as they admitted to mass murder! Fucking cowards! You are tough with unarmed citizens so why are you crying now! Piece of shit!

Anonymous said...

Get professionals... I felt like I was reading a High Schoolers report. Horrible grammar, spelling mistakes, and wrong punctuation. Isn't this supposed to be taken seriously and supposed to be somewhat professional? I didn't feel like it was wrote by pros, but rather by High School students....

Anonymous said...

I think z40n and lazcano are going down very soon and they knoW it!

Anonymous said...

Mexico,what a place ,Criminal gangs terrorize the public then try to argue over which gang killed which people,as if their public image would be tarnished,upset if a extra insanity was blamed on them instead of another band of Psycopaths? Life is cheap in Mexico Narcos have screwed up the entire country with the blessing of the political structure, hope they enjoy themselves.

Anonymous said...

maybe the federal government killed them at Chapo's behest

Anonymous said...

You write It then ..COMPLAINER

Anonymous said...

This is true. They probably did drop those bodies to make the people of the town sway in favor of the zetas but the Narco Banner they just put up makes it all suspicious that they know what the Cartas said

Anonymous said...

The fact they posted this banner shows how scared they are. The line was crossed a long time ago. The zeta actions in San Fernando sealed their fate if nothing else. Time is surely running out for them like it does for all criminals and evil doers. Time is running low and they know it.

They live minute to minute with an eternity of hell to pay for their crimes. An eternity is a long time to suffer for a brief period of so called power. They can't even enjoy what little they have now, paranoid, waiting for the bullet or the chainsaw.

Anonymous said...

you know whats funny is that all the people who talk shit about zetas or any other cartel, as well as the sicarios mutilating bodies on the videos do it like if they ever came across them, they would say it to their faces, we all know that you would have your tail between your legs if sicarios broke into your home to assassinate you, so why act tough over a blog? i laugh at all of you who try to act tough over this website :)

Anonymous said...

It makes perfect sense to kill and blame zetas, gentlemen were sick of zetas but wat about those murderers of cdsg and cds, are we all a bunch of lambs that we cant see the truth!!!

Anonymous said...

who cares if they did this one or not. only cartel cheerleaders do.
the only good cartel is a dead cartel. so if this is the tipping point that gets the mexican people to unite and throw off the mantle of slavery to the drug cartels so be it.
may the people of mexico hack with machetes and stab with pitchforks till none of the virmin are left.
"so would say father Hidalgo"

Anonymous said...

Someone hurry up and get this video!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcYGJNVCF1o

Anonymous said...

The Zs did it....those were CDG guys that used to be Zetas, some were innocents caught out around the CDG guys, halcones fucked it up bigtime....only 25 or so were CDG used to be Zs....

show the original banner that was left, that will end all this discussion right away....

They choose to keep this one under wraps, why?

Atte: el Patrick Swayze

Anonymous said...

I don't understand when mexicans get mad about people criticizing Mexico or it's people. Mexico is fucked up, and you better acknowledge that and realize we all want a non violent Mexico. Mexicans are a proud people, maybe too proud to a fault. Mexicans need to find it within themselves to shun this type of life not embrace it! The cartels find a way to get weapons from America, the good people of Mexico need to do the same(with the help of one of your rich in secret maybe) so you can at least have a chance at a life not dictaded by these narco animals!! Rise up Mexico, PLEASE!!!

Anonymous said...

golfas does not mean female whore is just a way to make the gulf cartel sound feminen, and golfo means gulf like the golf of mexico. Female whore is called PUTA or prosti short for prostituta

Anonymous said...

If you think you can do better, get on it! Go ahead and risk your life reporting the news. Why don't you STFU and get back to reading your Wall Street Journal. You better get upstairs, your moms calling.

Anonymous said...

new video of perps throwing the 49 bodies & placing the mantas YT 'zetas tirando cuerpos'

Anonymous said...

I knew it all along it was CDG or CDS the Zetas would have left them in Reynosa or Guadalajara...El Chapo De mierda no tiene Wevos para decir que fue su gente..He needs the help of federal forces to eliminate los Z...

Anonymous said...

Bullshit. What a bunch of cowards.

Anonymous said...

Rejoice and repent brothers and sisters for the real King of kings is coming, the Prince of peace to Whom ALL knees shall bow! Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Anonymous said...

Does NOT matter what cartel did it...ALL CARTELS MUST AND WILL PAY!!!...EVIL TRIUMPHS ONLY WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING...Mexican people are on their knees at the mercy of cartels and corrupted government officials...Didn't Emiliano Zapata say " I rather die on My feet, than live on My knees."

Anonymous said...

U mean like it was written? Not "like it was wrote" haha...study people!, study!

Anonymous said...

Good lord. There is always some asshole with a Blackberry ready to film every little damn thing they do. Must be some young shit heads.

Anonymous said...

It was zetas ........no bullshit about it and yes the governer help them...

Anonymous said...

I think it was the fools that were loyal to metro 3 that did this to stir up heat and cause confusion for both sinaloa cartel and the zetas since metro 3's people are against both

Anonymous said...

Yeah he probably does cuase he has power.....not like the the zetas highering bunch off drug addicts fo 50 cents ..that why they r hard to eliminate....somemany cockaroches......chapo has power that's why u only see one or two from he side die once in a wild....zetas keep coming and falling...$$$arribbaa.....el CArtel de Sinaloa.....

Anonymous said...

@ May 15, 2012 9:24 PM

yeah yeah and I am sure you were one of the cheer-leaders that was all excited when the "authorities" in Nuevo Leon said it was Z's that did this. saying that they were not innocents but CDG or CDS members cause of la santa muerte tatoos on them right????

Anonymous said...

Miren bola de ineptos, nunca comento. Siempre me la paso curandomela con todas las babosadas que escriben aquí. Hay cada personaje, pero en fin, el motivo de mi comentario es para hacerles que usen un poquito el cerebro que tienen, toda la bola de pendejos ya están formulando hipótesis de que fue el Chapo lo de los 49, por que según firmaron golfos y no golfas, y que según tiene acento sinaloense el vato del video, y que por que salieron corriendo si es territorio zeta, para empezar, los Zetas sacan mantas ayer diciendo que no fueron ellos, que ellos no se refieren a los cdg como golfos, si no golfas, y hoy sale el video donde esta esa manta, ósea nomas ellos sabían, pero bueno, para acabar, no los creo inteligentes pero si los creo sinicos, es decir el 40 se cree muy verga y se orquesto todo un drama, de matar gente y hacer creer que no fue el pero si fue el, pero puras mamadas, comprenden o lo explico como para retrasados

Anonymous said...

the Manta is singed el Loco Z 40 y commandante Lazcano

Chivis said...

May 15, 2012 9:11 PM

Golfas translated is slut or whore, prostitute
golfos traslates to players, hoodlum, street person, vagabond

both words are offensive slang

@10:24- I noticed that also, among the 4 errors in one tiny paragraph :)

Anonymous said...

Can somebody please translate the text at the begining of the video... thanks.

Anonymous said...

who the hell deleted the video wtf man????!!!

Anonymous said...

@May 15, 2012 6:52 PM because its messed up!! people are human unlike you. your a coward too talking smack on the internet you hypocrite fuck. Go back to your little crib and suck on your pacifier you ignorant ass.

Anonymous said...

Why would you embed a violent video from Youtube knowing that it will be deleted, I dont get it!

Anonymous said...

Golfa is a slang for whore.Gulf gets mispelled on purpose.

Anonymous said...

Maybe this is a new tactic.

Kill a bunch of people.

Claim it was done by Zetas.

Get Zetas in more trouble.

Anonymous said...

I watched one narco execution and vowed never to watch another.

Anonymous said...

Thats not a new tactic

Anonymous said...

El que mo comprende eres tú por que te escondes detras del teclado, salele para la calle para que veas el pedo de cerquita, el único retrazado mental eres tú, al rato vas a decir que eres el novio de la 40 y que tú eres el bueno.

Anonymous said...

May 15, 2012 9:11 PM: Golfa DOES mean whore aswell.

Anonymous said...

The person they talk about in the banners is Miguel el gringo Mike Villarreal, I was wondering how come this person was arrested in Monterrey in a bullet proof SUV along with Samuel el Metro 3 and both were released even though they were carrying AK 47 and had a gun battle with military. this happened back in 2006. Anyway, some say he is now in place of Metro 3 working for CDG and he is from valluco Texas. Anyone with more info post it here. Lazcano is blaming Michael for the murders. I kind of doubt it but it's very strange.

Anonymous said...

Gotta love sicario loving idiots on this sight who say things like "you would never say that to an assassins face, blah blah.". Well duh you moron, you generally don't say bad things to assassins who have guns pointed at you, now go kill yourself.

fredy said...

Same here

fredy said...

Yes that's been done for a while now.

A theory i have is that maybe it was the Z themselves who killed the people & also put up the messages blaming themselves.

And now put up new messages claiming it was CDG who did the killings & previous messages pretending that they were Z, to give the Z more negative attention.

But truly it was the Z all along.

Anonymous said...

ok yo have the pacific cartel .golfos means they are on the gulf of mexico .golfas is making the sound like women or jus making fun of them like a man a bitch . disrespect amungst them

Anonymous said...

@11 38 a vatos como tu buskaba y AHI va to respuesta....Etas tacticas d los golfas Y CHAPUTAS es muy simple de reconocer la realidad anke les duela el culo.estos fuwron los golfas Y CHAPUTAS q hicieron este video.q raro q nigun CABRON dijo puro zetas o algo asi.la inorancia y la hipocresia no les deja ver la verdad que quieremos aseptarlo.q raro los zetas sacan sus matNtas seslindadose d los hechos y poko despues d eso suben el video d los uertos.ya sabian los golfas Y CHAPUTAS q los zetas ivan hacer eso y los golfas Y CHAPUTAS ya tenian preparado ese video para desfama los zetas y calientales las plaza para q las autoridades vayan atras d los zetas siempre a sido asi la estrategia d los golfas Y CHAPUTAS.ase poko todos felices por q segun el chapo mato 68 zetas pero nomas salio q segun fuwron los zetas y todos los bloggers salieron d hipocritas y inorancia a decir q eran puro INOCENTES Jajajajajajajajajajajajaja la hipocresia de mi pueblo y la inorancia.siempre q los zetas matan gente ellos son INOCENTES pero si las golfas Y CHAPUTAS matan gente ellos mataron puro zetas Jajajajajajajajajajajajaja esoz corridos d kommander los tiene bien apendejadosz x cree en sus mentiras q no matan

Anonymous said...

Please everyone let the cartel cheerleaders cheer..obviously they have little hope and even less education themselves.so if they wanna cheer for their favorite cartel "let em"

Anonymous said...

Jajajajajajajajajajajajaja sinacaca sinaca....eso quiere decir q tendran $$$ pero ustedes sinalenses nunca tendran los huevos para pelear d frente como hombres.100%tamaulipecoz y aqui sobran chingen a su madre todo el gobierno federal q los apoya

Anonymous said...

Si lo carteles se creen muy vergas con una pistola, vayen a guerra entre ustedes mismos y dejen la gente innocente en paz.

Go out and meet each other at ya'lls plazas and go at it like real war. Just leave the innocent people alone. Tired of seeing all these innocents getting killed. Go at it but kill those directly involved.

Anonymous said...

Does any one find it weird that the manta has lozcano name on it. Lozcano never puts his name on mantas. And something else that is weird why put ur name on something that will bring u way to much heat.like the killings of 50+ people. He is way to low key for that. Z40 is a different story. And the manta doesn't look like the one that zetas usually use. Just my 2cents.

Anonymous said...

May 16, 2012 7:58 AM .
"The person they talk about in the banners is Miguel el gringo Mike Villarreal"
Dude thanks for the heads up .

Anonymous said...

there's no way zetas killed all those people i think another cartel is trying to heat up the plaza. why would they leave a banner claiming responsibility, then deny the killing, then diffuse a video of it. there's no way they can be that stupid.

Anonymous said...

What an achievement.
Mexico?You can keep that shit.You really haven't progressed very far.Nationalistic idiots shouting their mouths about"its all the fault of the gringos"its not gringos killing Mexicans.Oh the guns,drugs,if it wasn't the US market it would be somewhere else.Whining aint gonna cut it.

Anonymous said...

Chuck norris would wipe out the cartels

Anonymous said...

It just amazes me how these fools think they can get away with it and they are. The way for this shit to end is to allow every mexican citizen to arm themseves with guns like theybdo in the ee.uu/ USA . I bet it will all stop
Another thing why airent the people fighting back!!!!!

Chivis said...

@5:43

Today I tried to analyize where the strongest argument is, that Z did or did not orchestrate the slaughter.... Then I read your simple comment which is rich with logic and it made me laugh out loud! Nice!

Anonymous said...

You would think that going to blogs to get info on what is really happening across the border, and not reported on national news, that punctuation would be an afterthought. This points out your ignorance as much as your lack of self respect, that you have to try to step on someone's shoes here over punctuation. Chump.....

Anonymous said...

al 8:57 pues no se arman Guey porque nadien les vende las armas al final nadien hace nada dices tu verdad pero imaginate que les dieran armas por eso no se les vende a los menores de edad no vez que son puros puñalitos deseosos de fama y fortuna lo que no saben ellos por su inexperiencia es que asi nadien hace fama y todas las corporaciones los buscan a ellos en lugar de los grandes ademas esto es un problema de psicologos no vez que son puros pscicopatas en busca de mas muertes y no se conforman con esos que mataron y van por mas antes de que los atrapen que crees que estan sin drogarse para hacer eso o no! si han de estar bien mafufos estos ñetas para hacer eso imaginate el olor a sangre humana y despues el el estado de descomposicion de los cuerpos nada grato para el ser humano verdad?por eso hacen eso,los jefes dicen que no les hacen nada apoco el chapo es tan pendejo de no saber donde handa el 40,el loco y Lazcano y viceversa.esto es un juego de tu hace yo hago y nadien gana!!!por las armas claro que los Z`s tienen mas armas y amunicion por eso muchas veces ganan las confrontaciones contra las autoridades (Bueno Ganaban)hay que usar la cabeza hasta para robarle al gringo con el plan merida todos sabemos donde esta el 40 y el Lazcano que son los mas sanguinarios pero el gobierno federal se empeña mucho en el chapo pero nunca en el Lazcano o 40 cuando se hace una cosa se hace bien y sin preferencias que despues terminan en esto que esta sucediendo en Mexico que es un desmadre(caos) que nadien sabe quien va a ganar o perder solo los inocentes salen perjudicados al no tener garantias basicas de seguridad y bienestar.

Anonymous said...

Those criminal idiots are asking for extinction.

Anonymous said...

Way to represent. Makes mexicans look great!

Anonymous said...

It's time to allow Mexican people to arm themselves. This crap would NEVER happen in USA.

Anonymous said...

Z didn't do this shit,its as simple as that.
They would have dumped the bodies in Reynosa,not NL and bring heat to themselves?That don't make no sense at all.

Anonymous said...

The evil that occurred in NAZI Germany appears to be in Mexico.
What will you do Mexico? Will you give in?

Anonymous said...

Sissys

Anonymous said...

THEY DO THIS TO HONOR THE GRIM REAPER..LA SANTA MUERTE...FOR PROTECTION! EVIL HAS NO FACE GREEED, POWER AND MONEY YET THEY ARE STILL MISERIABLE MURDERES WITH NO SOUL. IT IS LIKE NAZI GERMANY.....THE DEVIL RULED THERE NOW ITS IN MEXICO!! REPENT YOUR SINS! ONLY GOD WILL SAVE UR SOUL!

Anonymous said...

"THEY DO THIS TO HONOR THE GRIM REAPER..LA SANTA MUERTE...FOR PROTECTION! EVIL HAS NO FACE GREEED, POWER AND MONEY YET THEY ARE STILL MISERIABLE MURDERES WITH NO SOUL. IT IS LIKE NAZI GERMANY.....THE DEVIL RULED THERE NOW ITS IN MEXICO!! REPENT YOUR SINS! ONLY GOD WILL SAVE UR SOUL!"

... And SATAN sells his candy to the citizens of the United States of America ...

jon doe said...

There can be no good without evil most of the people who are posting here sound like nieve yuppies .to believe in a non violent society is just not realistic .people have families to feed .and all people who do any type of big bussiness commit murder one way or the other .plus its eazy to say how wicked someone is when you have never walked in their shoes .america is a voilent fascist police state exept that here the truth is completely shrouded by the media.hahaha silly rabbit you think the u.s. is a peace loving utopia......stay at starbucks stop watching gangland .

jon doe said...

There can be no good without evil most of the people who are posting here sound like nieve yuppies .to believe in a non violent society is just not realistic .people have families to feed .and all people who do any type of big bussiness commit murder one way or the other .plus its eazy to say how wicked someone is when you have never walked in their shoes .america is a voilent fascist police state exept that here the truth is completely shrouded by the media.hahaha silly rabbit you think the u.s. is a peace loving utopia......stay at starbucks stop watching gangland .

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