Sunday, April 8, 2012

Cartels: Zetas, Sinaloa, CDG....NRA?

“The NRA is an accomplice of the drug cartels,” says Sergio Aguayo, president of Mexico’s the Alianza Civica (Civic Alliance) civil rights group"

by Chivis Martinez for Borderland Beat
A Miami Herald article follows as posted on Borderland Beat by "DD"

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Mexico’s President Calderon is very fond of pointing north when attributing blame for Mexico’s ills, Norte, as in the United States.  Going so far as to drag the US into his speech after the  horrendous Monterrey Casino Royale attack
One point of contention is weapons.  

For those a little slow in feeling his wrath, he recently unveiled a billboard created by using confiscated, crushed, weapons that read “NO MORE WEAPONS!”.  To assure there was no mistaking who was intended to receive the message, with great fanfare it was planted at the south border pointing to the US city of El Paso Texas.
The massive billboard weighs more than three tons and was placed near the international bridge in Juarez , one of the world’s most dangerous cities.
Speaking in English Calderon said "Dear friends of the United States, Mexico needs your help to stop this terrible violence that we're suffering."

Mexican soldiers were used to construct the billboard.  One would think the president of a nation that has suffered  60-100 thousand drugwar homicides in the past 4 years, along with some of nation's soldiers, would surely have tasks of much greater importance to tackle than this act of self indulgence. 
Calderon proudly unveils  his sign (Reuters Photos)
The action was silly and not the behavior most would deem presidential.    

Perhaps a billboard on the El Paso side should have been erected, reading “ NO MORE DRUGS!” made of crushed meth pipes and marijuana bongs.

After his meeting with President Obama this past week, Calderon had this to sayIt’s been shown that when there is an excessive, quick availability of weapons in any given society, there is an increase in violence,” “The expiration of the assault weapons ban in the year 2004 coincided almost exactly with the beginning of the harshest period of violence we’ve ever seen.

Not so fast. The homicide rate in Mexico was 12 per 100K in 2008 when Calderon took office. It escalated when he took office not when the ban was lifted. In 2004 to 2008 it held steady at 11-12, in 2009 it jumped to 15 per 100K and 18-19 by 2011.
Mexican Soldier happily working on Calderon's Sign
His statement of availability of weapons being the cause of increasing violence, the facts do not bear out this opinion. 
In the United States used are two sources to comply crime data, the FBI and each state collects information from law enforcement agencies. Criminologists use this data of serious crimes as an index.
Additionally independent sources compile data for their independent research of crime in nations.  There are many sources such as the UN Crime Report, Nation Master, and for the US by state the Census Crime Report. Rates are calculated per 100K.
The fact is the US has a 4.8 national homicide rate.  In a country with a population of over 311 Million people.
Mexico has a 18.0-19.00
Even with all of our weapons afforded to each citizen by the constitution, Mexico’s homicide rate dwarf’s that of the United States.
Another fact is the US has decreased crime, including homicide, by 70% in the past twenty years.  Further, it has dropped in the past eight consecutive years.  At its worse, in 1979 the homicide rate was 9.8.
Those who criticize Americans “love of weapons” are scratching their collective heads trying to find an explanation. 
Most people are unaware of the fact that in article 10 of the Mexican Constitution Mexican citizens are given the right to bear arms.  An application is sent to the sole gun store in Mexico, the Mexican Army.  There is a caliber restriction.
Article 10: The inhabitants of the United Mexican States have a right to arms in their homes, for security and legitimate defense, with the exception of arms prohibited by federal law and those reserved for the exclusive use of the Army, Navy, Air Force and National Guard.

Federal law will determine the cases, conditions, requirements, and places in which the carrying of arms will be authorized to the inhabitants.
Citizens are restricted to:
 Pistolas (handguns) of .380 Auto or .38 Special revolvers or smaller
 Escopetas (shotguns) of 12 gauge or smaller, with barrels longer than 25 inches, and
 Rifles (rifles) bolt action and semi-auto.
Mexican Firearms Registration Card
Foreigners must apply for permission to take weapons into the country.  Hunters need permission but there seems not to be an issue with obtaining permission.
So if not the weapons where does the blame lie?
Seriously, Mexico just does not get it.  Perhaps it just does not have the desire to get it.  It is not the guns that have caused the massive amounts of intentional homicides in Mexico.
 It is the absence of a strong system of law and order.
 It is the corruption that permeates every system of government, police, agencies, federal, state and municipalities. 

It is the feeble prison and justice systems.
It is their ability to consider impoverished children as just so much attrition when denying them an education and employment possibilities, creating an enormous bottomless recruiting pool for cartels.
It is not the weapons trafficked in from the US at their north border or the many trafficked in on their unguarded south border.
Not to say we couldn’t or shouldn’t better, but honestly it simply is not the cause. 

Citizens of Mexico say it is difficult, costly, and timely to have a gun application approved.  By denying good, law abiding people arms only strengthens the criminals  position of power and ability to terrorize. 
Nor is blame the  drug use in the US.  As Mexican cartels diversify and find other products to peddle, drugs become less of factor in their "business", drugs are now at around 50-60% of their product line. 

Cartels have greatly diversified.
They are heavy into the intellectual market of software, piracy of CDs, Movies, knock off toiletries, Alcohol, brand name goods, in addition to fuel theft, human trafficking, kidnapping and extortion. In addition, they are becoming a "user nation" with its fast growing drug problem.
Wouldn't it be fabulous if Calderon would get off his ban wagon and thank the US instead of blaming the nation for all of Mexico's ills? 
Better yet, it would be grand if he just once stated that  to find fault, Mexican's simply need to look in the mirror?  That citizens accepting stipends and gifts for their votes are a part of the problem, and admit that the deal Mexican leaders made to look the other way as traffickers  schlepped drugs to American youth came back to bite them in the behind.  Never dreaming  those cartels would become so powerful and wealthy they could control and buy anything..... even people.

The first element of change is acknowledging what exists, and that appears something that Mexico is a very long way from.
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The following is an article from the Miami Herald and Posted yesterday on Borderland Beat Forum by “DD” which motivated the writing of the above post.  Though I don't totally disagree in its entirety, there were huge holes and shallow information.  An example is the absence of the south border being wide open and weapons flow freely through, also the government armory  under attacks and raided by cartels.
Commentary: NRA could help stop Mexico's gun violence
Andres Oppenheimer The Miami Herald
When we talk about the violence that has left nearly 50,000 dead in Mexico over the past five years, we usually focus on Mexico’s Sinaloa cartel, or the Juárez cartel, but it may be time to include the U.S. National Rifle Association cartel.
Granted, the 4.3 million-member NRA — the most powerful pro-gun rights lobbying group in Washington — is not in the drug trafficking business.
But judging from what Mexican President Felipe Calderón said earlier this week during a joint news conference with President Barack Obama in Washington, and from what U.S. gun control groups state, the NRA and other U.S. gun owners’ rights organizations have a huge tacit responsibility in the bloodshed that is taking place in Mexico.
The NRA and other gun lobby groups consistently block efforts to restrict the massive sale of high-power assault weapons across the border, which end up in the cartels’ hands, they say. In particular, Calderón cited the gun lobby-supported U.S. decision to lift a ban on assault weapons that expired in 2004. Calderón said he spent much of the time during his meeting with Obama on Monday urging him to seek a restoration of the ban.
“It’s been shown that when there is an excessive, quick availability of weapons in any given society, there is an increase in violence,” Calderón said at the joint news conference after their meeting. “The expiration of the assault weapons ban in the year 2004 coincided almost exactly with the beginning of the harshest period of violence we’ve ever seen.
“During my government, we have seized over 140,000 weapons in four years. And I think that the vast majority have been assault weapons, AK-57s, etc. And many, the vast majority of these weapons, were sold in gun shops in the United States,” Calderón said, adding that there are an estimated 8,000 gun shops along the U.S.-Mexico border.
Calderón did not mention the NRA by name, but leading Mexican activists are pointing at it as one of the main obstacles to reducing the mass killings in their country.
“The NRA is an accomplice of the drug cartels,” says Sergio Aguayo, president of Mexico’s the Alianza Civica (Civic Alliance) civil rights group, which is planning with other Mexican and U.S. groups a six-week caravan stretching from San Diego to Washington to raise awareness of the gun smuggling problem.
Jon Lowy, a senior official with the Brady Center in Washington, a U.S. gun control advocacy group, told me that “It’s clear that the outrageously weak U.S. gun laws have contributed greatly to the flow of guns to the drug cartels in Mexico.” He added, “Congress’ failure to renew the assault weapons ban has contributed to this, and so has the failure of Congress to require background checks at gun shows and other private gun sales.
“There is no reason why high volume bulk gun sales are allowed, so a trafficker working for a cartel can go to a gun store and buy 10, or 20 or 100 assault weapons in one purchase.”
The NRA rejects that most of Mexico’s drug cartel weapons are smuggled from the United States. It says that most of them are legally-imported weapons that are being sold by corrupt Mexican police and army officers to the drug cartels.
“There have been about 100,000 desertions from the Mexican military into the drug cartels over the past seven years, and one would have to be extremely naive to think that when those deserters leave their base, they are doing it empty-handed, without raiding the armory,” NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam told me.
“What needs to happen is that the Mexican government needs to crack down on the pervasive corruption that runs rampant within its own government, law enforcement, military and judicial circles,” he added.
Last year, the NRA sued the Obama administration for regulation requiring that gun merchants in U.S.-Mexico border states report bulk sales of assault weapons. It accused the administration of acting without congressional approval. Arulanandam said the measure is “ridiculous,” because “it tries to go after multibillion-dollar criminal enterprises like drug cartels by going after them with a paperwork violation.”
My opinion: The NRA and U.S. gun manufacturers have the right to defend the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment provision allowing Americans to keep and bear arms. But the Second Amendment doesn’t say that Americans have the right to buy bazookas, or AK-47s, or other military-style weapons, or to purchase dozens of them and sell them to whoever they want.
It’s time to stop this nonsense, which is causing so many deaths in Mexico, and also in the United States.

61 comments:

  1. In the book, 'A Random Encounter at the Post Office" an old man who was involved with smuggling in the Reynosa/McAllen area from 1949 until 1995 (when he went to prison) explains that government corruption in MExico is what allowed the criminal enterprises to thrive - not American guns. It really annoys me that Mexico is blaming it's violence issues on US guns.

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  2. THANK YOU CHIVIS. Yet another excellent contribution to BB and to intelligent thinking. We rely on you more than you think. Well done.

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  3. So Mexican's can have guns but nothing bigger than a 38 caliber pistol and a 12 gauge shotgun?

    I thought you guy's couldn't have them at all

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  4. Blaming gun violence in Mexico on Americans seems odd. Americans are not killing Mexicans. Mexican criminals are killing Mexican criminals as well as innocent civilians. To say we sell you dope and buy guns to make sure we can keep selling you dope and its YOUR fault for buying it seems absurd..

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  5. Jesus H Christ on a Nerf football, that is the best worded article I have read on this site IN A YEAR!!! He is absolutely right!!! When they behead a victim, do they call for Gin-Su knives and blame them? You see these cartel's with 100 round speed drums....that we can't buy in the US. Where the hell are they getting those? Calderon is the fly on a horses asshole! I give him credit for doing something, but blaming the US is horse shit! HEY MEXICO!! WE OFFICIALLY BLAME YOU FOR OUR DRUG PROBLEM!!! %100 Your doing!! Even though not all comes from Mexico, most does so its your fault, you fucking assholes!!! (see how absurd that sounds?) A gun sitting on a table can't kill anyone. A chainsaw sitting on a table can't kill anyone. A machete sitting on a table.... You get my drift. These assholes ARE BUYING THE GUNS. We aren't loading them up and delivering them with a bow (outside of Holder)! And Mexico doesn't do shit to look for them until it's too late. We have a drug problem in the US, so we search people coming from your third world shit hole country. You have a gun problem, BUT YOUR TOO LAZY TO SEARCH CARS GOING SOUTH??? Or is it, your afraid?

    When I hear a Mexican official blaming the US for all it's problems I go crazy!! Are they that fucking retarded? Is it a Mexican culture thing, to be blameless all the time and pass the buck? Is this a "Flojo" thing? Mexico is so corrupt and screwed beyond repair, and all anyone can do is point fingers? WHILE they take bribes? I hate to say it, but maybe all the stereotypes of Mexicans are true. Lazy, crooked, thieving, would sell their mom for a buck, messy, leave trash everywhere, and govern for shit, always plays the victim... I know plenty of Mexicans who break that mold, and they aren't crying and saying it's anyone's fault BUT Mexico's!

    Obama should send Calderon a bill for all the BPatrols expenditures, for all the rehab it would take to help the addicts, all the debt from the hospitals stiffed by illegals, all the unpaid tickets and judgments against them when they don't show up for court, for all the money they 'borrowed'... And tell him to fuck himself until he makes payments and puts HIS army on the border and stops his own people from leaving! I'm not that big of a fan of the NRA, but I agree in principal. WE in the US have the right, like it or not, to buy guns because the bad guys have them anyways. We can defend against those who are armed to the teeth. Not Mexico. You guys want up to make guns illegal and hope they magically vanish? Will never happen.

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    1. First time i ever heard of mexicans being lazy. I dont see hispanics on the side of the road asking for money, they want jobs.

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  6. Mexico already has an assault weapon ban and how is that working? The citizens are unarmed and the thugs are not. They moment we disarm American Citizens we will see here what Mexico has now!

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  7. Grenades anyone?

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  8. Comparing US & Mexico in anything is a bit like comparing apples & oranges. Comparing US with other similar developed countries one finds that the US has a murder rate about 4 times that of Western & Central Europe (4.7 vs 1.2).

    Now why is that???

    Note: gun ownership is VERY restricted in Western & Central Europe.

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  9. There are currently 22,407 gun control laws for which official information is available. Of those, 22,407 have been followed by a sharp increase in homicide and violent crime, while 0, none, have been followed by a reduction in homicide or violent crime. If "insanity is repeating the same action expecting a different result," gun control advocates are insane.

    On the other hand, every law that requires or permits the law abiding to possess firearms has reduced violent crime and murder.

    Obviously, much of Mexico's problem is that the criminals are armed, largely by weapons taken from military arsenals, while the victims are disarmed.

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  10. Sr. Calderon. Why dont your border agents stop the guns at YOUR side of the border?

    Here would be a good trade: you bring back one gun that you say is fron the U S and we can give you back l,000 illegals... or more.. per gun.

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  11. Hola Chivis M.,

    Thanks for the great write up.

    I wish to make a little comment. You said:

    - "It is not the guns that have caused the massive amounts of intentional homicides in Mexico, it is the absence of a strong system of law and order: it is the corruption that permeates every system of government, police, agencies, federal, state and municipalities; it is the feeble prison and justice systems."

    My comment now. Now that CORRUPTION permeates the Mexican System my proposal is that THE GUNS be stopped from entering Mexico and after that the guns IN Mexico must be removed and destroyed. Because the system is corrupt and out of control it only makes sense to get another country to do the work that Mexico cannot do at this present time. Also, the corruption exist because those who have been given the task to take control / act against criminals have guns pointing at their head if they do not let the criminal do as they please and and even take orders from the criminals. So Mexico needs an external governing force to do the work that must be done to bring Mexico back under control and from there on, Mexico returns to GOVERNING ITS OWN COUNTRY.

    PS, before you post this remove my PS: In the paragraph where you begin with "Not so fast." you misspelled one word: "HELD" instead of "heAld".

    Thanks for all your dedication, time and efforts!

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  12. We should protect the second amendment of our constitution, but for our own security we also require tougher laws to make sure that our guns don't fall into the hands of organized crime members, that's the part the NRA and those pigs in Washington don't want to modify.

    They are just another fucking cartel making money in the drug business. They just don´t give a shit about how many innocent people die in both sides of the border and how many families are being put in danger in the rural areas of border states. I´m a border patrol agent.

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  13. My comment is TO THE BLOGGER WHO HAS POSTED this commentary & proposal:

    "Sr. Calderon. Why dont your border agents stop the guns at YOUR side of the border?

    Here would be a good trade: you bring back one gun that you say is fron the U S and we can give you back l,000 illegals... or more.. per gun."
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    And now my comment. Ok, DEAL!, we except you offer ... IF you agree to accept the following three conditions:

    - THAT THE USA BRING BACK FROM THE DEAD THE MEXICANS WHO WERE MURDERED by means of the USAGE of U.S.A BOUGHT & SUPPLIED FROM THE U.S.A. via THE USA LED "Fast & Furious 'agenda'" MACHINE GUNS (AK-47 Ak-15 for example)

    - that USA ERASE THE INTENSE EMOTIONAL PAIN & SUFFERINGS THAT FAMILY MEMBERS EXPERIENCED & CONTINUE TO EXPERIENCE THANKS TO A Gunned Down FAMILY MEMBER SHOT DEAD 'WITH USA GUNS'

    - that The United States of America PAY FOR ALL THE CASKETS, FUNERAL COSTS, INVESTIGATIONS, PROSECUTIONS (if any) THAT ARE TIED TO THE USA GUNS USED TO MURDER THE MEXICAN PEOPLE
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    'May God STRIKE DEAD All Those Responsible for the irreversible Loss of Life in Mexico! ... and it continues to rain Mexican blood daily
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  14. Weird how so many have clung to the US guns phenomenon. Sure the majority of traceable firearms found in Mexico comes from the US. Anyone want to guess how many of the found firearms in Mexico are traceable? Hint: Not very many.

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  15. the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment provision allowing Americans to keep and bear arms. it does not restrict us to what kind of arms.

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  16. To the blogger who posted the following commentary which was this:

    "Jesus H Christ on a Nerf football, that is the best worded article I have read on this site IN A YEAR!!!"
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    My turn: LOOK UP Fast & Furious on the internet and the write ups will open your mind wide open hopefully, and there are other dirty little secrets that haven't yet surface about what the USA is GUILTY OF. You should also look up The New World Order Agenda meant to destroy the sovereignty of all nations in order to bring in a TOTALITARIAN WORLD ORDER and the USA is deeply involved in that agenda: where is its military powers? Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt and a few other places and they are trying hard get their hands on IRAN. The USA is not in those countries to help but instead, to Take Them Down in order to usher in the New World Order. With Mexico, an indirect method is being used and now Mexico is out of control, totally DESTABILIZED. And who trained the Zetas? Look that up too.
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  17. Mexican politicians have big balls,they're so freakin retarded or they're the smartest people around.Blaming anybody,but themselves for what's going on in Mexico.They're the biggest crooks in the world.That's why I would never vote for a Hispanic here in the US....and I'm Mexican myself,that just became a US citizen.

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  18. The way I see it...at the rate the criminal element is growing it will overtake and overrun the mexican government in the next 5 years.
    The United States will then have it's fiercest enemy at it's back door.

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  19. Mexico... Secure your border first. At least TRY to stop some guns and some drug money going into your country. The US border agents obviously do not stop all drugs coming from Mexico, but they try.

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  20. apples and oranges? Eastern europe has a rate of 6.5 -7 it was 15 in 2004...

    you can juggle the figures all you want but the fact is the homicide rates are configured to attain the greatest accuracy. and lest you feel sorry for poor developing Mexico..keep in mind they have the 13th largest economy in the world..but you completely missed the point of the post.

    @2:12 Thank you for the kind and encouraging words.

    @ 5:15 thanks for the heads up on my typo...I apreciate it, and the nice way you let me know...Paz, Chivis

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  21. There is no idea how many people have disappeared and their bodies are nowhere to be found. Also, you never hear about any of the military being killed. There is so much under reporting in Mexico it makes me wonder if the 50,000 couldn't be doubled or more. If you will go back and look at the serial killings of women in Juarez, you will see how strongly Mexico felt about under reporting so as not to alarm people and to minimize a losing reputation. When there were 250 women killed, some estimated the number could be as high as 5 times that because the police were vicious to families reporting and sometimes even charged them.

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  22. chivis what are you a self hating mexican really mexico should thank the usa? for what nafta forcing the americas into this drug war which has caused nothing but more conflict and drain of resorces setting up all those military dictatorships during the 70's school of the americas were they trained soldiers to torture there own people american troops are protecting poppy fields in afghanistan i wonder why? oh that's right mexico is evil and the usa is a perfect angel

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  23. @10:16PM
    Absolutely! People that are educated to how things are in Mexico know the numbers are manipulated. experts say the numbers are 100K plus. Which is why in my article I stated 60-100K. Many states have no official count, and others tweek numbers that are obvious narco killings as "accidental" even "natural" or "suicide". There was a NGO working in Tamps for years calulating narco death counts, but 4 years ago or so they suddenly left, rumor had it they were threatened. And in many cases the numbers are simply "guesstiments".

    Additionally, there are scores if not hundreds of undiscovered fosas in the hills of Dgo, and the wide empty land of Coahuila among other states, filled with who knows how many bodies. They found 300+ fosas in the the 4 years leading up to 2012, IMO just the tip of the iceberg. And Economic migrants from Central America apx 300-500K each year travel thru Mx, apx 10% "dissapear", one has to assume they are dead. ...Paz, Chivis

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  24. How is it the NRA's fault that Obama sent thousands of rifles to the cartels???

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    1. Wow! Obama did? Lol. Grow up and use facts. Probably anti democrat or hates blacks or both.

      Either way your prejudice is showing...

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  25. If they stop the drugs they have to stop the money too. Mexico loves the drug money as does the USA. As long as its poor brown people shooting poor brown people in the ghetto with the occasional corrupt local politician or cop thrown in the cauldron, nothing will change. Prohibition never works. Drugs are a public health issue, and citizens unable to arm themselves sufficiently will be preyed upon. It's like handing the biggest bully in school a baseball bat to collect other kids milk money.

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  26. GUNS ARE NOT THE FUCKING PROBLEM, WHEN ARE PEOPLE GOING TO STOP USING THAT AS A SCAPEGOAT? IT IS THE FUCKING PSYCHOPATHS THAT ARE USING THE GUNS AND IF IT WAS NOT GUNS THEY WOULD BE USING KNIVES OR WHAT EVER THEY COULD GET THEIR DEMENTED PSYCHOPATHIC HANDS ON... PEOPLE THAT POST THIS TOPIC TIME AFTER TIME ARE REALLY, REALLY MISSING THE BOAT...

    IF MEXICO CARED SO MUCH ABOUT "GUNS" THEN WHY DONT THEY HAVE ANY CHECK POINTS AT THE BORDER?

    MEXICO NEEDS TO ADDRESS THE REAL PROBLEM AND THAT IS THE ANIMALS THAT ARE RUNNING FREELY ON ITS STREETS FREE TO KILL ANYONE AT ANYTIMER WITH LITTLE OR NO REPROCUSSIONS IF CAUGHT! THE CRIMINALS DO AS THEY PLEASE AND THEY RUN ALL OF MEXICOS PRISONS.

    BEFORE MEXICO STARTS WORRYING ABOUT WHAT RIGHTS OTHER COUNTRIES MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE THEY HAD BETTER CONCENTRATE ON THEIR OWN PROBLEMS BECAUSE THEIR ENTIRE COUNTRY IS SLIPPING INTO NARCO CONTROLLED CRIMINAL STATE WHILE THEIR PRESIDENT RUNS AROUND TALKING THE MOST IGNORANT BULLSHIT ABOUT GUNS!

    IT IS PATHETIC THAT THE MEXICAN PEOPLE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT SEEM TO BE UNARMED! EVERY CRIMINAL IN MEXICO HAS FIREARMS AND YET THE ENTIRE MEXICAN POPULATION HAS BEEN MADE SITTING DUCKS!

    IF I WAS MEXICAN I WOULD BE DEMANDING TWO THINGS AND THAT IS FOR THE PRESIDENT TO ENACT THE DEATH PENALTY AND ALSO I WOULD DEMAND THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS FOR SELF PROTECTION AND TO PROTECT MY FAMILY! THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT CAN NOT PROTECT ITS OWN PEOPLE AND YET THEY WANT TO MAKE IGNORANT STATEMENTS ABOUT AMERICANS THAT OWN FIREARMS...

    BETTER WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE MEXICO, YOU HAVE BEEN PUT IN A TRICK BAG AND YOU ARE SITTING DUCKS FOR EVERY PSYCHOPATHIC MURDERER ROAMING THE STREETS!

    THE UNITED STATES WILL NEVER ALLOW ITSELF TO BE PUT IN THE SAME TRICK BAG, THANKS BUT NO THANKS! IF ANYTHING WE WANT TO HAVE MORE GUNS, BIGGER GUNS, MAYBE TANKS AND F-18 FIGHTER JETS FITTED WITH A FEW NUKES...

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  27. Anonymous who said: "Note: gun ownership is VERY restricted in Western & Central Europe." - Switzerland... everyone has a gun there!

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  28. "You have a gun problem, BUT YOUR TOO LAZY TO SEARCH CARS GOING SOUTH??? Or is it, your afraid? "
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    NO, its not that they are "afraid" its the fact that they can not find any Mexicans they can trust for more than 5 minutes... Mexico could never run successful honest check points at the border so they do not even bother to try!

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  29. "Anonymous said...

    Hola Chivis M.,

    Thanks for the great write up.

    I wish to make a little comment. You said:

    - "It is not the guns that have caused the massive amounts of intentional homicides in Mexico, it is the absence of a strong system of law and order: it is the corruption that permeates every system of government, police, agencies, federal, state and municipalities; it is the feeble prison and justice systems."

    My comment now.

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    *****Now that CORRUPTION permeates the Mexican System my proposal is that THE GUNS be stopped from entering Mexico and after that the guns IN Mexico must be removed and destroyed.*****

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    Because the system is corrupt and out of control it only makes sense to get another country to do the work that Mexico cannot do at this present time. Also, the corruption exist because those who have been given the task to take control / act against criminals have guns pointing at their head if they do not let the criminal do as they please and and even take orders from the criminals. So Mexico needs an external governing force to do the work that must be done to bring Mexico back under control and from there on, Mexico returns to GOVERNING ITS OWN COUNTRY.

    PS, before you post this remove my PS: In the paragraph where you begin with "Not so fast." you misspelled one word: "HELD" instead of "heAld".

    Thanks for all your dedication, time and efforts!
    April 8, 2012 5:15 PM "

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    *****And when they start killing with knives then what? Remove all the knives from Mexico? Then when they start using clubs then what? Remove all the clubs from Mexico? Then when they start using rocks then what? Remove all the rocks from Mexico? Then when they start killing using their bare hands then what? remove all of the hands from Mexicans?*****

    When is Mexico going to finally wake up and realize what the REAL problem is?

    Mexico ALLOWS the serial killers to run free on its streets and they run the prisons as well so what else do you expect?

    When is Mexico going to begin to deal with the homicidal maniacs running free in Mexico instead of focusing on what tools they are using to commit atrocities this week?

    With Mexico refusing to have the death penalty they are keeping the cancer alive that is bringing Mexico to its knees...

    Over the years the criminals have shaped Mexico just the way that they want it! When is Mexico going to begin to tackle the real issues and stop all this nonsense about fucking guns already?

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  30. Chivis,

    I recently seen a picture of a cartel using back hoes (tractors) capable of digging down 20 to 30 feet to bury mass dead bodies, they will never find those mass graves that have been dug so deeply... You can bet that there are thousands of them...

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  31. so calderon made a sign out of confiscated weapons. lets see what shall the USA make our sign out of? I got an idea how about the bodies and bones of the overdosed dead from the drugs they let leave their country.
    on a side note if i were the mexican prez i would have been using the confiscated weapons to arm any male citizen willing to join the mexican militia to fight, defend the towns, cities and citizens of mexico.

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  32. @April 9, 2012 1:57 AM
    Yeah. But if your not allowed to carry it in everyday life at shopping, it's very restricted for average joe american. :)

    Hell, I'm from Europe and it's not so hard to get legal weapon here. Like said, it's not weapons what makes crimes, it's stupid people. So every country should have IQ-test among other tests before permit for gun. :)

    It's also crazy that someone feels naked without personal gun. There is bigger problem then and it really is to be fixed.

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  33. Excellent article! Adding that Miami Herald article at the end is priceless to show how useless the press is here in the United States. So many are simple sycophants of the Obama regime. And Calderon, how pathetic to be a lap dog for the Obama agenda. Grow some stones Calderon. Obama is not your friend. Doing his bidding makes you look like a much bigger fool.
    Obama will sell you out at the drop of a hat. In fact, he and Holder already did. They saw to it more of your people would be slaughtered so he could claim exactly what the sycophant wrote in the Miami Herald article - that it is a U.S. gun problem. Obama and Holder wanted people to be killed in Mexico so they could try to limit our 2nd Amendment right to bear arms. It is sick, twisted and evil Marxist ideology that motivates people like Obama and Holder.
    If Calderon had any balls, he would start putting together a list of people murdered in Mexico by the Obama regime's plan to arm Mexican drug cartels. He would present it to Obama, Holder, and U.S. newspapers asking for indictments, extraditions, and reparations. But Calderon has no balls. Instead, he just says what Obama tells him to say. He is a useless puppet.

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  34. It is like prostitution, where there is demand there shall be a supply.

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  35. @2:22AM Can you recall where you saw that photo? American or Mexican press?

    @11:17Anonymous said...
    chivis what are you a self hating mexican really mexico should thank the usa?

    I am a realist that believes the children of Mexico deserve better. I am a person proud of being an American equal to my pride of being Mexican. I went to Mexico with an ignorant pollyana mindset, and quickly became stunned by what exists.

    Mexico should be among the top 5 economies of the world. Its children should be given a quality education and employment opportunity, citizens should be able to trust calling on police for aid with fear of retribution. I should be able to drive alone to Monterrey from my Coahuila office without waiting to exhale. etc etc

    You remind me of the left over lefties from the 70s, taken an issue and completely miss the point but rather throw all your personal ills and complaints at it as an answer.

    I love Mexico! That is why I have been in Mexico for 8 years building schools, kitchens, therapy centers etc. And I am frustrated and angry at a government that looks outward for blame in place of inward for change and solution.

    The US has been a good friend of Mexico, but it should do more and not forget C.A. where I think the greater hell has been brewing for years. The US is not perfect and our history is dotted with points of shame, but it remains the greatest and most generous country in the world. Who else has come to the aid of Mexico?

    @5:15
    Amigo, Mexico is capable of governing themselves but it lacks direction and and an overall plan that includes everything from corruption to social ills. They should began with the border states and the feds taking over the municipalities, as the border cities have the greatest corruption, from city hall, the police the Media and its POEs restructured to include real BP at entry and exit, same as the US side.

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  36. Guns are not, and never have been the problem. THE PEOPLE are the problem. Blaming the ownership or availability of firearms on crime is the lazy, dishonest way of addressing a problem. Many countries have absolute bans on firearms and yet they remain pits of crime. In America the areas with the most restrictive gun laws are almost always the most dangerous places, while the ares with the most lax gun laws are often much safer than the surrounding are.

    The citizens of the United States will NEVER surrender their rights to keep and bear arms. If Mexico has a problem with gun crime, start dealing with the real problem: the people.

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  37. “It’s been shown that when there is an excessive, quick availability of weapons in any given society, there is an increase in violence,” Calderón said

    Odd, USA doesn't have a cartel problem.

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  38. Bottom line...who is doing the killing in Mexico? It is completely irrelevant, where the weapons are coming from because if not the US than somewhere else! DTO's have millions, if not billions, of dollars at their disposal for bribes and weapons..period! Again, blaming the US for "arming" DTO's that are killing Mexicans is a poor excuse...in the same sense that the legalization of drugs in the US would end the drug war...I don't think so! When I see videos of mass executions, dismemberments, decapitations, torture, etc...I'm thinking the problem has more to do with the mentality of the people, who commit such crimes. These worst of the criminals (humankind) are not going to magically transform into decent law abiding citizens just because their criminal endeavors have been legalized! When the money stops from one criminal enterprise, which proponents of legalization believe will solve the problem....they will simply move to another "illegal" way of gaining income (kidnapping, extortion, grand larceny, etc...). Remember they are criminals, who have forsaken the right way (honest way) of doing things because they believe the quickest way to make a buck is take it by any means necessary!!!

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  39. Often times these cartels have grenades and grenade launchers, there's no way those could be bought from an American gun store.

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  40. at --> April 9, 2012 11:43 AM

    1. “It’s been shown that when there is an excessive, quick availability of weapons in any given society, there is an increase in violence,” Calderón said

    2. Odd, USA doesn't have a cartel problem.
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    Commenting on #2.

    The drug are being grown in Mexico not in the USA, thus, cartels exist in Mexico

    Commenting on #1.

    - Bullets can't be shot unless there is a gun. - Guns in the wrong hands can lead to violent acts
    - Some people can sudden become unbalanced and so unbalanced that if there's a gun around they may grab the gun and shoot somebody.
    .

    As far as statistics goes in terms of WHAT country is losing more people because of gun violence UNDER WHAT ATMOSPHERE is the murdering occurring? Invasion of one country by another country? Or a battle against territory by drug cartels?, ... and we also have mafia at work. THE POINT IS that there is violence and that GUNS CAN AND DO KILL and the guns in the wrong hands HAVE GOT TO BE FOUND AND DESTROYED.


    Generally speaking and addressing myself to others reading commentaries here at Borderland Beat, many folks are busy pointing at all the mistRakes (mistakes) the other guy / person has made while placing little focus on giving credit for the GOOD THINGS that have been done or the time & efforts involved in T.R.Y.I.N.G. to resolved perhaps VERY complicated problems that required COMMITMENT & CO-OPERATION FROM OTHERS in other to achieve the Desired Results. One person can do many things but when two or more people are working on the same project CONFLICTS arise, people start to fight, some get in the way of moving forward AND ONE PERSON MAY GET ALL THE BLAME for things having gone Terribly Wrong.
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  41. Chivis--thank you for the most informative, concise, and truthful article I have read on this blog. You seem to be the only one in Mexico who understands what the fuck is going on!! Not long ago I read that Customs officials in Mexico were accepting a standard bribe of $300 per gun to let them pass into the country. Calderon needs to get his shit together and take care of the rampant corruption which has permeated all levels of Municipal, State, and Federal agencies. Until that happens Mexico simply has no hope for salvation. Keep these kind of articles coming!!

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  42. Why did this all begin with Calderon?

    What did President Vicente Fox do differently?

    Calderon, your plan has failed miserably, yet you continue to do the same thing over and over again while your people are dying.

    YOU HAVE MEXICAN BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS!!!

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  43. Great read Chivis!

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  44. C,mon man,lets stop beating about the bush.
    Mexico is going wrong big time,there is another article posted which says violence against women is on the rise.Mexican man are fuckin animals,not hard,just fuckin animals.All those young women that were raped and murdered like they were trash in Juarez,and it is still goin on.MEXICAN MEN,should be fuckin ashamed of themselves.All these women and young girls were someones daughters.Mexico right now is a shithole of violence,i don't care if they want to make excuses about guns,US drug consumption,what has any of that to do with rape and murder,and the casual murder of your own people.Mexico,you need to clean yourself up,before you can criticize any nation.

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  45. .
    Hello Amigos, Greetings brothers and sister. This time, I give feedback to someone who commented on what another commentator had written. Scroll upwards to locate 'all' of the writing connected to the following writings of both bloggers:

    *****And when they start killing with knives then what? Remove all the knives from Mexico? Then when they start using clubs then what? Remove all the clubs from Mexico? Then when they start using rocks then what? Remove all the rocks from Mexico? Then when they start killing using their bare hands then what? remove all of the hands from Mexicans?*****
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    I now wish to make a short comment on what "***** .... *****" wrote.

    That is a very good message, I'm glad you brought that up, it needs to be looked at from different angles. The 'dimension' you speak of does exist already, weapons other than knives have been and continue to be used and, or, IN COMBINATION WITH G.U.N.S., but g.u.n.s. are used most widely.

    Tell me this, ¿Why have so many guns come into the hands of criminals? They must want them and need them. It Wouldn't Happen To Be That 'with guns', criminals CAN CHALLENGE THE MILITARY'S WEAPONRY P.O.W.E.R. would it? With guns you ALSO maintain SAFER Distance from an enemy. Without guns, rapid fire high powered Machine guns especially, criminals don't stand a chance in maintaining a Strategic Position and Powerful Stance against other organized criminals or military forces. If the USA military goes to the Amazon forest with their weaponry, will savages living in the woods stand a hope in hell if they have sticks, stones, knives? ... ha ha ha, Case Dismissed !!

    ;-)

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  46. Our Sign in the USA would be This:

    NO MORE NARCO ILLEGAL ALIENS!

    NO MORE DRUGS!

    How do u like them Apples Calderon!

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  47. How come Mexico doesn't follow its own Constitution?

    Artículo 10: Los habitantes de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos tienen derecho a poseer armas en su domicilio, para seguridad y legítima defensa, con excepción de las prohibidas por la ley federal y de las reservadas para el uso exclusivo del Ejército, Armada, Fuerza Aérea y Guardia Nacional. La ley federal determinará los casos, condiciones, requisitos y lugares en que se podrá autorizar a los habitantes la portación de armas.

    Article 10: The inhabitants of the United Mexican States have a right to arms in their homes, for security and legitimate defense, with the exception of arms prohibited by federal law and those reserved for the exclusive use of the Army, Navy, Air Force and National Guard. Federal law will determine the cases, conditions, requirements, and places in which the carrying of arms will be authorized to the inhabitants.

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  48. If the US could stop the "flow" of guns to Mexico what would change?
    Nothing.
    The guns and weapons entering Mexico from South America and along the coast line will continue, by the container load. Guns from South America, China, eastern Europe are cheaper and more plentiful.

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  49. I wish to correct one error in a commentary I wrote yesterday:

    I now wish to make a short comment on what "***** .... *****" wrote.

    That is a very good message, I'm glad you brought that up, it needs to be looked at from different angles. The 'dimension' you speak of does exist already, weapons such as knives and other objects have been and continue to be used and, or, IN COMBINATION WITH G.U.N.S., but g.u.n.s. are used most widely.

    "WEAPONS SUCH AS KNIVES AND OTHER OBJECTS" is what I had intended to write.
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  50. @April 10, 2012 6:23 AM
    "How come Mexico doesn't follow its own Constitution?"

    On paper weapons (in limits) are for everyone with applied permit, but on ground if you want them, you get them from just one place, one military base.
    And you got to pay bribes for it, a lot. Otherwise you got to wait, maybe forever.

    I think it's paid officials who profits here. Narcos get guns from US and from their own military bases, it's no problem to them. Problem to them would more likely be armed law-obeying citizen. Narcos rule a lot. One way or another.

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  51. american gov. is not only envolved with firearms traffic as you can see

    http://www.laparadadigital.com/noticias-de-chihuahua-mexico.cfm?n=8133#axzz1rfJtUxcz

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  52. the writer of this article is clearly bias and racist. he does not see two views but just one. you should join fox news where you belong. international journalism is definitely not your place since you have an incredibly bias opinions.

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  53. April 10, 2012 8:37 AM .
    Who gives a fuck what you wanted to correct,you just another clown blaming the US for your inability to behave with any kind of morality.Of course there is violence in every country o this planet,we are a violent species,but the shit going on in Mexico is getting way out of hand.
    Some time soon we should wash our hands of these ungrateful whining fuckers,blaming other countries for their failure to sort themselves out after about 100 years.PRI,are in next,and they go back to the way they like it,corruption everywhere.At least Calderon had some balls to try,unlike the majority of Mexico.Leave them to it.They hate us anyway.

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  54. I think Mexico needs a serious overhaul of their political system. They need to weed out the Catholic church out of State matters and establish effective screening systems for politicians and law enforcement, allow their people gun ownership -including assault weapons. Then maybe a light might blink at the end of the tunnel

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  55. Great read as usual, Chivis. Filled with facts

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  56. Looks like a stupid blanket Narco Banner.

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  57. April 10, 2012 2:22 PM .
    HEY ASSHOLE,THE WRITER OF THIS ARTICLE CANNOT POSSIBLY BE RACIST,BECAUSE"SHE"IS OF MEXICAN HERITAGE,AND SECONDLY SHE IS A PROUD HOLDER OF BOTH CULTURES.Now what argument are you going to use.You fuckin disgrace,calling her racist for telling the truth.Here ladies and gentlemen is a huge part of the problem,Mexicans like this person.Another thing she is successful and sees things as they are,no agenda,just as they are.But people like you cry racism.You cannot help Mexico,go away.We need more open and intelligent people than you.

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  58. "chivis what are you a self hating mexican really mexico should thank the usa"
    No she is trying to get through to racist Mexicans such as yourself.Who do you blame for the Mexico of today?Do you actually believe it is the fault of anyone else?This is not about racism,hatred,(although most of the racist hatred is aimed at the"gringo")this is about the causes and how to fix it somehow.But all we get is the same tired old excuse of the blame game.Do you believe that the US wants to see this mayhem on its doorstep?Seriously,do you really believe that?I am a "gringo"and i want a prosperous and safe Mexico,and i don't care if people such as you believe me or not,you hate me for no reason anyway.I post on here and have never used racist names to any Mexican,can you say the same?

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  59. it bothers me that the U.S. blames the drug problem on Mexico. No demand, no drug problem. Drugs would go the way of fotomat.

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