Monday, February 13, 2012

Mexicans Take Kidnappers from Jail, Beat and Set Them on Fire (Addendum New Info)

by Chivis Martinez for Borderland Beat

Friday three kidnappers in the town of San-Mateo Huitzilzingo, Chalco were caught in the act while attempting to kidnap two high school students. 

A woman, Otilia Rosales Palomares, witnessing the crime began shouting that the men were kidnapping a son of a neighbor.  The men who were not identified were in a green van.

The kidnappers were apprehended by police and were transferred to the municipal police station.

Quickly residents organized and eventually hundreds fell into vigilantly mode armed with sticks, rocks,  bottles, and 19 Molotov cocktails.  They proceeded to the facility where the alleged kidnappers were being held and forcibly extracted the three men.

What happened next is sketchy, one version is:

The men were taken to the main plaza beaten then placed in a vehicle and set the vehicle on fire while the men were still alive.

Another version:

The men were taken to the plaza beaten to unconsciousness   then set on fire.

Pictures support either story.

Whatever the hard facts may be two of the men were burned to death at the scene, the third was still alive when police gained control and they were able to save the culprit.  He was transferred to a clinic at IMSS where he later perished.

Meanwhile, the municipal police called on the attorney general for assistance as well as the security forces (SSC) and riot squad of Ixtapaluca, Valley of Chalco agencies. 

23 people were detained for their participation in the crime, and Otilia Rosales Palomares, 42, for inciting the crowd.  Three of the detained were minors aged 17 and two are 16.  They are all being investigated for kidnapping and homicide.

The citizens called them all heroes and have announced they will organize to secure the release of their neighbors.

Read Havana’s post of this event here
A video of the aftemath of the scene from Univison from UNIVISION link here
Material from Tecnocomm and Excelsior was used to write this post

2.13.2012 addendum

A report has been published that I feel important to include with this report.  I would like to preface the fact that I have had problems with the missing pieces of information that would typically be included in a story.  The apprehension for starters, and the multiple stories of facts.  Lynching was one scenario I did not include due to the fact there was no pictorial evidence lending to that scenario. 

There are many reasons and multiple groups that would not want a story of vigilantism to be reported in Mexico, the government is one Organized crime groups another.  They would not promote such stories especially as this has been internationally reported and the vigilantes seen as heroes by the majority of readers.

I don't know the true nature of the event in detail.  Any scenario could be true.  But I do ask myself, why wait 3 full days to report "the truth" , that is highly suspicious to any logical person, of which I am one.  I would think an effective avenue to stop vigliantism is to rewrite which side has the true criminals.  I will add that in some places in Mexico and very prevalent in Guatemala citizens hide under the cloak of vigilantism to harm or kill enemies.  below is the new account  from La Cronica de Hoy ...Paz, Chivis
 
"The three people lynched and burned alive last Friday in the town of San Mateo Huitzilzingo, State of Mexico, worked as masons lying brick for a living, not kidnapping students, and resided in San Juan Tezompa, it was said yesterday, based in on versions of from neighbors of victims, the media. The press reports also warned that friends and relatives of the lynched are willing to avenge what they considered a bestial crimel. The newspaper El Sol de Toluca announced yesterday on its website that the two men whom a mob of about 600 people doused with gasoline and set them on fire, one who died from blows from the lynching, "They were not criminals but honest builders." This Saturday and Sunday about 250 stores San Mateo Huitzilzingo municipality of Chalco, were closed because of rumors that residents of San Juan Tezompa were coming to avenge the lynching on Friday. In response, members of the Ministry of Public Safety (SSC) maintain surveillance in anticipation of a permanent inter-communal conflict. Inhabitants of San Juan Tezompa consulted by journalists said their community has asked justice system to make the 23 people arrested by the Attorney General State of Mexico (PGJEM), who is credited with having participated in that fact pay for the crimes. In San Mateo, meanwhile, local residents consulted by journalists said that the detainees "are innocent." They also said that during the lynching municipal police "were unable to rescue the hostages" by the crowd of about 600 people angry

Testimonies collected in the village of lynching reported that agents of the Department of Public Safety arrived on Friday night to a gas station at the entrance of the village, but "did not intervene timely." Of the 23 arrested, six were women and 17 men, and between them there are three children, and that the attorney mexiquense Alfredo Castillo, has evidence pointing directly to one .woman as the person who instigated the lynching began with shouts of "justice, justice, are kidnappers ". then were ringing the bells of the village church, which began to form a mob went to the place where the hostages. Also versions of residents of San Mateo indicated that there were five suspects, but two of them managed to escape. Also complained that since Friday night police entered homes and detained the alleged instigators. They said people were arrested simply crossing by the main square, without being related to the facts. Castillo's attorney said he would not allow any mexiquense vigilantism totake justice into their own hands and "those who do, will pay" for it."
Update 2.15.12

There is now an arrest and yet another scenario.  This is the 6th account recported but the only arrest and "confession"

For update link to Havana's post on forum here

74 comments:

  1. Chivis well, what can we take away from this? Those Asholes!

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  2. Drive someone into a corner and there is only so much he will will take before he defends himself. These people were the first to stand up to them after the old rancher who had a shoot out with the cartel members over his ranch.

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  3. VIVA MEXICO! Cabrones!!

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  4. I don't know what to think, sometimes people can only take so much from criminals.

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  5. They did good, Mexicans are sick and tired of these criminals. Yes, they were in jail...but they would serve little or no time eventually.

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  6. The Mexican people finally stand up for themselves and do what everyone has been saying to do (take up arms and defend themselves) and now the government wants to punish them. What the hell???

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    1. Once jailed it's revenge not a defense

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  7. hahaha thats what all cartel members deserve

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  8. I'll be damned, there is a death penalty in Mexico. It will be funny when a mob releases the "criminals" and throw them a party. VIVA MEXICO!!!!!

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  9. I lived in Mexico City for 1.5 years and incidents like the one mentioned in this article happened quite often in the Ixtapaluca and Chalco area. This area is considered part of Mexico City's metro area.

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  10. These heroes deserve a medal not jail time.

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  11. Now this pisses me off the citizens will stsnd up and be cruel to some petty thugs tryna pull a kidnap but wont stand up and do the same to the cartels bunch of cowards in that town if you ask me , if they were cartel they would gotten away police paid off the lady who yelled shot but na jus sum punks tryna to make quik money

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  12. Must keep law and order. However the guys arrested for being involved in this riot should be deputized. Mabey even a day celebrated every year. :) Message to the cartels and criminals. You will be better off moving to another city. It isn't safe for you in San-Mateo.

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  13. Shit happens......to scumbags.

    Saludos...

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  14. I am sadly hoping for a trend to occure from this.

    I also think with the media on it and public pressure that nothing will happen to them.

    I think to a degree the police need to go through the motion of jailing them to show their commitment to law and order. Even though they might let the citizens go. It's important for the law enforcement to work on building the trust that they will do the right thing when the law is broken. I don't think it's an easy position for them no mater what choice they end up making. I just hope it's the correct choice.

    Peace!

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  15. The are charge as criminals for stopping people who could've killed 2 students . I don't think is a crime i call it civil defense when gov can't provide security and real protection then is this for civil protection.Linch n burn them all. Stone them to death , im with it. Because they won't hesitate to kill innocents. We got to define heroes n criminals. N these people are heroes. Death penalty to sicarios.

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  16. Love it!!!! Next!!!

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  17. We needed the same to happen here in Knoxville after the Shannon Christian - Christopher Newsome rape/mutilation/murder.

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  18. People are sick and tired of watching criminals go free. Maybe the police will learn that a better option is a bullet to the head when one of these thugs is apprehended. A fate EVERY ZETA deserves.

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  19. K Bueno! Huevos for once! I agree police are in a bad position but they'll probably just get threatened with anger management class, future brutality, and let out the back door. Sorry, I'm confused no anger forced management-it's Mexico.

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  20. I'm surprised this kind of vigilante action hasn't happened sooner & more often.

    It should be a wake-up call for the feds that their ineptness & corruption has eroded any authority they think they have.

    Vigilante action is obviously a slippery slope for a civilized society, but I really feel for these poor citizens. They live & die among the barbaric cartels of gangsters, and get no relief from the so-called security agencies.

    At some point the good people of Mexico will have to rise up and wipeout the criminal class that is polluting the fabric of Mexican society. They can't rely on the feds to protect them.

    It won't be pretty, we are talking about the systematic annihilation of at least 500 000 criminal scum. It's a shame that it has come to this.

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  21. Shit, people know who these kidnappers are! Old friends, family members, these kidnappers aren't that stealth! Mexicans are't know for being good at being sneaky! They should round all of them up and 'dispatch' of them the same way. The government won't do shit about it, but the people did! This needs to be a rallying cry to the other Mexicans who are tired of the BS. But, this will be a side note after the paid off cops give harsher punishment to these guys than to kidnapers. Viva Mexico! Three down, about another fifty thousand to go!

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  22. About fucking time.

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  23. Why on Earth would you or anyone else post the Woman's name on here? If these were Zetas or any other narco scum,you have given up her identity, and have blood on your hands if she is harmed!
    Think before you report some thing..Damn,how hard is it to realize this..If that was your mother,would you want the relatives of these animals knowing she was the one who got them caught?

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  24. Viva. Mexico. Glad the truly brave citizens are starting to stand up to these animals. Hope they were conscious when they were burned then they'll understand the pain they've inflicted on the innocent people of Mexico.

    Hope this starts the revolution.

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  25. Fucking stupid Mexican government- these people are simply trying to do what the police and military cannot do- protect the Mexican people.

    I am so happy those motherfucking scumbag kidnappers suffered, though am afraid they did not suffer enough

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  26. Reminds me of Man on Fire

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  27. Took long enough to get a reaction

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  28. I don't think they were torched. Looks like a plugged crack pipe explosion to me.

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  29. they had no right to kidnap prisoners and burn them. If they had a reason to be mad at those people wait for them to come out prove they deserve it and then do it. These people are just like the criminals

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  30. The article mentions the woman's name who alerted the neighbors. She will need protection now.

    Why do they name names in these kind of situations? It usually means torture and death for that person.

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  31. They should give them all medals!

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  32. zeta might know her name but she lives in the middle of that mob you think zeta wants to roll up in there after that??

    i am glad to hear of this and hope more of our Mexican friends do the same

    Viva Mexico

    ~~~el spaceio~~~

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  33. FEB.11,2012 11;40PM- Dont b so stupid now, how r they going 2 stand up 2 cartel members that have AKs,etc..So i think this ppl aint no cowards now..

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  34. There is no law in Mexico.

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  35. This is AWESOME! Get rid of the trash at the moment it exposes itself.

    A guy was exposing himself to school girls a few years back in our neighborhood and the neighbors chased him down with every manner of tool, stick or rock and beat the living daylights out of him. The police wouldn't have done much and the guy got what he deserved.

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  36. Im from Mexico and this is fucking wrong. They dont deserve medals! they burn alive two kidnappers, that was very clever yeah right.. This world is fuckedup

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  37. @9:47 Before you call anyone stupid-the answer is easy..they had molotov cocktails all over the place there. If it was another kidnapping attempt and neighbors stood in packs... So, same way as last time-"Wanna play ball scarecrow" And if they had a few guns that would help.

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  38. February 12, 2012 11:50 AM
    "Why on Earth would you or anyone else post the Woman's name on here? If these were Zetas or any other narco scum,you have given up her identity, and have blood on your hands if she is harmed!"

    I have been in NE Mex now for over 8 years. I know exactly when to withold names. For your information, not only was the womens name in every mexican paper including those serving her city (close to DF) but every persons name involved except the kidnappers. Even the 3 teens that were arrested. I did not give up anything that a person with ill intent could not access in 60 seconds, and don't you think that spanish speaking people probably would access news in their own language?

    IMO if in fact these guys were truly potential kidnappers they are small fry not cartel, cartel would be well equipped and could easily been out of there safely. it is a small 2-4 police town of 14K often they don't even carry guns. The kidnapping could have been attempted for many reasons, but not via cartel orders.

    You need to think yourself and trust that everyone who writes for BB does so for the love of the people and country, most of us live, work or have close family inside ground zero.

    as for this story, I am conflicted, Intellectually I know we cannot condone a lawless society whereby each man is judge and jury. Even in this case we know no facts, and I am troubled by the huge missing piece of the puzzle. Also that the police did not call for help. Something smells about it.

    That said I know the hopelessness of the people in Mexico. I am told almost every day “what can we do?” or “we can do nothing” , so though I can’t give out hero badges to the vigilantes, I clearly understand their actions...Paz, Chivis

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    1. Bravo Chivis, thank you for the in depth reporting that I have come to respect and trust. Keep up the good work!

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  39. I understand why the people did this to these presumed criminals, perhaps I would have done the same it's hard to say, can't really judge the citizenry on this action.

    If I was the government I would take very clear note of this, all you Calderon supporters need to also take note. Mexico is slowly sliding into a failed state, and actions such as this prove it. When your citizenry is basically forced to murder to survive, that's a pretty shitty situation.

    Another clear display on why Mexico needs to focus on it's overall problems and not just focus all their resources into El Narco while letting all the other sectors of society decay.

    At this point a bloody revolution/ civil war seems inevitable in the coming decade.

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  40. I give one out for you:

    One
    "Earned and Deserved
    Dos Centavos Badge
    of Excellence"

    Coming right up for
    the Vigilantes for
    San Mateo Hitzilzingo

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  41. This is very depressing! Everyone wants to see law and order and justice in Mexico. But this is more like a sign that people in Mexico have become too comfortable with barbarism in all its forms. The victims may be total scum, but to sink to cartel torture murder tactics for 'justice' means everyone loses. The vigilantes going to jail will leave their families exposed now. Just very sad all around.

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    1. Ha bet every dumbass talkin shit is gonna feel real stupid after tht post


      ~EL MOTERO~

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  43. Ove...thanks I was preparing an addendum about the link.

    IF and that is a HUGE if the report is accurate then my prior comment of feeling something smells because of the big missing piece of the puzzle was well founded.

    here is what I do know. I read 20 media accounts from Mexico on this story I always work closest to ground zero as possible and work out.

    secondly, so according to this report these poor construction workers were just walking minding their own business and were questioned and detained? Is that logical in a country like Mexico, so Efficient in apprehending law breakers that they stop men just taking a walk? That story smells also.

    This "new reported" is not new and was reported in a couple of papers in the beginning except the "new" walking minding their business part. the 23 detained including 3 minors is also in my post.

    Bottom line as I stated twice already, something is not right with the story, it does not affect the fact they may have been kidnappers or not. We just don't know which is why I reported there are different stories out there and a big piece of the puzzle missing. Such is Mexico.

    What is fact, three men were extracted from the police station and killed by citizens. I am sure they were not provoked by a whim or men walking minding their own business.

    We most likely willl never know the real story in detail...Paz, Chivis

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  44. They could be masons and do a little kidnapping on the side.

    The lady saw something going on that made her sound the alarm.

    Ever heard of "raising the hue and cry"? For centuries in Europe a citizen was required to "raise a hue and cry" if they thought someone was being robbed or assaulted or kidnapped (a lucrative and accepted method of making money then) and if they did not - they could be prosecuted.

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  45. Chivis-you warned us the whole way something seemed off and pieces weren't adding up. It isn't your fault that they still aren't adding upi.
    Why did that women yell about kidnappers and the school if these innocent men were just going for a friday night stroll.

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  46. It's obvious that the cartels & feds are sending out disinformation about this story. Especially the security agencies...who all are suddenly painted in a heroic light while the citizens are painted as mindless murdering zombies.

    The addendum doesn't really add anything other than doing exactly what the cartels & feds wanted. All it did was add to the confusion, and paints the vigilantes as rabble.

    Usually addendums clear up lingering questions, and sort out the facts. This did neither.

    Hopefully, the press will get the real story and not what is spoonfed to them by invested parties with an agenda

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  47. WHY HAS THIS BEEN REPOSTED? WE READ THIS ALREADY, MOVE ON. CHIVIS SAID EARLIER THIS IS NOT EVEN CARTEL RELATED, WHY IS IT EVEN HERE?

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    1. Well because information was added at the end of it. Compare and you will see.

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  48. 3:06 that is the strange part. It is one thing if you BBQ kidnappers, but how do you mix that up with innocent people walking by

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  49. There is no way that these guys were minding their own business. In some places it takes a lot to get people to report or take action, because unfortunately when you see things often enough you just don´t get rattled about every little thing. I would bet these guys as someone else said are masons with a side job. Just because you have a profession doesnt mean you might not commit horrific acts.

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  50. Well said 3:06pm, I couldn't agree more.

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  51. First, every murderer or kidnapper probably has a "real" job. So saying "they are just brick layers" is like saying the BTK (Kansas serial killer) Killer was just a County Employee. Means nothing. Second. Mexico does not have a useful means of dealing with the viciousness that is going on. Calderon is making a small dent, and that is not enough to make a difference. I am not for the death penalty in the US unless it is crystal clear it is that person, and it was against kids or women or a killing like we see in Mexico. But Mexico has got to start hanging these guys in front of the people to show they are as ruthless, or at least willing to fight fire with fire. Third, you have a military that is not in unison and is splintered by pay offs from various cartels making them %100 ineffective. And law enforcement is even worse. It will take the people, armed to defend Mexico from slipping into even worse circumstances, to take it back. It will not happen any other way.

    But sadly, if Mexico rises up and fights these people....and they know who they are and where they are at....sooner or later that movement will become corrupt. Leaders will fleece the poor, come up way short with their promises, and take the cartels spot. I'm Mexican, but I realize we suck at seeing past the money in front of us. The US moves ahead because they plan five or ten years in advance. They pass up the easy buck now for a huge payoff later. We can't do that. It's money now, not more money later. Mexico has become a laughing stock of the world. Worse than Afghanistan for god sakes, and they don't even have running water! We are doomed unless we can take the traits of the US, Canada, and the EU countries that aren't broke. And we need to stop painting everything bright colors and flush the toilet paper!

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    1. I agree and it can be everything you said or even more. So many variables always. No way we can act like we know everything when we simply don't.

      We can reason down things that are common or most likely. To say anything else is foolishness.

      In my humble opinion.

      Cheers!

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  52. Mexico needs to go Los Pepes on their asses.

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  53. I was sent the new article by mulitple people. In fairness i felt it was important to add to the story an opposing view and allow readers to conclude as they wish....Paz, Chivis

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  54. Anyone hear of problems in Veracruz? I am planning on going there for Carnaval celebrations this week and would like a heads up if possible?

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  55. BB before you put something for all the people to read please do the research first. They were burn for making remarks at women of that town.

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  56. 11:20 that doesnt make any sense.

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  57. This from Zocalo.......

    La historia comenzó unos minutos antes, relata un mando de la Policía Estatal del Estado de México, en una casa de esta comunidad.

    Una joven peleaba con su madre, quien le había prohibido sostener relaciones amorosas con José Manuel, un hombre de 26 años de edad, casado y avecindado en San Juan Tezompa, un pueblo a unos 15 minutos de distancia.

    La muchacha amenazó con fugarse con su novio, quien esperaba con sus amigos y ayudantes de albañilería Raúl y Luis Alberto.

    Desesperada, la mujer comenzó a gritar que querían raptar a su hija, y pronto los lugareños empezaron a congregarse.

    La Policía Municipal recibe el primer reporte y 10 agentes intentan lo imposible, mientras las campanas de la iglesia de San Mateo Apóstol repiqueteaban.

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  58. @ Feb 14 12:48AM-
    Encouraging comments such as yours keeps me going full speed ahead. Thanks for the kind words..Paz, Chivis

    @11:20PM I dare say I researched this to the death, it is a tough story but seeded with an important topic. I did not realize we had PGR or an eye witness here at BB. Why don't you write the "truth". You could have saved me hours.

    I gave both sides which is IMO the only fair way to report...

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  59. Hell yeah! FINALLY! I hope this trend catches on and we get the country back from these losers! Sign me up, I'm in. I always said the only good narco is a dead one. Even better to die at the hands of the citizens they've been terrorizing for years. The government should look the other way just like they do with the bad guys 'escape' from jail all the time. Come on Calderon, let them win the battle for you...

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  60. I saw the mother/daughter story...a 4 day later even. Zocalo writes what they are told to write. We now have 5 different accounts and no way we will ever know the truth but 3 men were killed by a mob, IMO there must have been a reason they all determined they had or were about to do something bad. ...paz, chivis

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  61. Bravo Chivis, thank you for the in depth reporting that I have come to respect and trust. Keep up the good work!
    YOU ARE CHIVIS BULLSHITTIN EVERYONE
    February 14, 2012 12:48 AM

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  62. So, after the Borderland Beat lynch mob bleats on now continuously about how the 3 victims supposedly deserved their torture murders, all of a sudden these Right Wingers suddenly shut up? What's with that? Is it because this was a premeditated murder done by a Mexican cop and now all the US thugs look stupid with their bloodlust shown out so openly?

    And it also appears that the whole thing had absolutely nothing to do with Drug War bullshit at all.

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  63. The police must make a decision.
    Are you, as police officers, going to side with the violent moronic genetic-psychopaths that leech the life-money of the city OR are you police officers going to side with the productive White citizens?
    If you officers side with the criminals then you are our enemy and MUST BE DESTROYED AT ALL COSTS.
    If you officers side with the productive profitable citizens who are the strength of the nation, then you must allow us to destroy UTTERLY those criminals who threaten us and their criminal unproductive families if necessary.

    There is no other choice.
    The police no longer respect the productive populace and no longer enforce the spirit of the laws of the land.
    Join the productive or be destroyed by the criminals you coddle and the justified vengeance of the productive.

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  64. this is the mexican goberment foult not the peoples who are tired of police coruption if a person is kidnaped the family its on its own cant trust the police are in it too it is very sad whats going on who will help the mexicans.

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  65. The blood lust mindset of the last poster on this thread is totally indicative of the Right Wing mindset in Honduras, where military and police authorities just finished burning alive 359 prisoners at a prison, where hundreds of those jailed were not even convicted of any crimes at any trial at all. Many in Honduras believe that the government authorities DELIBERATELY set this fire to kill off prisoners, and it was only 8 years previous when another 100 prisoners were burnt alive in Honduras amidst similar accusations against government authorities.

    Borderland Beat should be writing some about this most recent event, since it is intimately related to the US international 'drug war' which BB writers so identify themselves as supporting. We should never support the Latin American militaries armed and trained by the US as being some sort of righteous political force. They simply are not that at all.

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  66. Otilia Rosales Palomares, I hope that isn't her real name.

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