Monday, October 3, 2011

Zetas Push to Take Guadalajara Could Unleash Battle with Sinaloa

From InSight: Written by Southern Pulse
"The city of Guadalajara, in western Mexico, could emerge as the focal point for a new wave of drug violence as the Zetas move to take the territory from the Sinaloa Cartel, predicts Southern Pulse."
As we move into the remaining months of 2011, Mexico appears to be on the verge of a new wave of violence that has less to do with vigilantism – a passing fad – and more to do with building tension between the country’s two top criminal organizations: the Sinaloa Federation and Los Zetas. Guadalajara is the city where the next battlefront between these two offensive-heavy organizations is likely to play out before the end of 2011.

As we continue to observe activity in Mexico through the lens of our Zetas Cross theory, the 14 September 2011 official confirmation of a Los Zetas alliances with break away members of the Milenio Cartel, brings the paramilitary group one step closer to claiming Guadalajara.

Firefights in Chapala and in Jardines del Bosque suggest that Los Zetas are already testing the groups set in place to protect El Chapo’s investment in the state and the city where his organization has held sway for decades.

There is also a possibility that members of Los Zetas are supporting their Milenio Cartel partners with arms, though this level of direct support remains less clear. Either way, the Milenio Cartel's long-time presence in Guadalajara increases Zeta intelligence gathering in the plaza, could lead to the solidification of a network of Zeta safe houses in the city, and presents an opportunity to pierce the battlefront the united cartels against Los Zetas have formed in southern Zacatecas.

Meanwhile, the current news of vigilantism in Veracruz, and the Matazetas specifically, appears to be little more than a nuisance, and not a sign that Los Zetas are weakening as some analysts have concluded. The Matazetas, likely a formation of men from El Chapo’s Gente Nueva and young gunmen from the Cartel Jaslico Nueva Generation, may be brutal, but they’re not new. According to one journalist, Matazetas as a criminal brand has been used in the past. By our count, this is the third time a group of sicarios has used the term to announce a new vigilante effort to remove Los Zetas from the earth.

If the Carteles Unidos, formed in February 2010 between the Sinaloa Federation, the Gulf Cartel (CDG), and La Familia Michoacana (LFM) at the height of CDG and LFM power was not able to take out Los Zetas, this new group of upstarts poses little threat.

So far, this new group of Matazetas has been more adept at spreading criminal public relations videos and narco-banners than presenting a tactical front that threatens Los Zetas well-entrenched operations throughout the gulf state. Indeed, it is possible that the Veracruz massacre of alleged low-level Zetas operators was an attempt to distract El Lazca from his current offensive push into Jalisco. It looks like something El Chapo would try to do his newfound nemesis, El Lazca.

Possibilities aside, the Zeta boss – and likely his enemies – will suspend any major activity in Guadalajara until after the Pan-American games. With over 10,000 police and a quantity of soldiers - pulled from their duties in Ciudad Juarez - on special assignment during the games, we would be surprised to register anything more than a slight blip during the Games. Though when they are over, a major criminal offensive for the city could surface in early November, developing into a protracted battled for the city that will last though the end of the year, and possibly well into 2012.

59 comments:

  1. Holy shit! Guadalajara? Jalisco in general? Guad - That's the capital city of Mexico is it not? A population of many millions? This is some scary stuff! I thought the cartels sort of knew to or it was unwritten to stay out of there? Then again, I don't know jack about the in-depth mega drama playing out all over Mexico in these narco wars. It seems very complex.

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  2. They still are dead set on having the games? Are they serious? At least some of the athletes can outrun the fat gangster guys. I'm sure the thought of kidnapping some of the athletes for ransom has popped up in some conversations amongst the men. You'd think that they would cool their heels for a month and take the heat off them, but I doubt any of these clowns on either side can pass up an opportunity to piss everyone off. Hope it isn't so.

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  3. I feel that this makes alot of sense, El Chapo heating things up in Veracruz so El Lazca doesn't fully commit to Jalisco. Have the Valencia's completely lost all control in Guadalajara? I have been waiting to see more conflict between Sinaloa and Los Zetas. Beltran-Leyva's are already supposed to be in certain plaza's in Jalisco, so the Zeta alliance is just a ploy to send in reinforcements and eventually if they get what they want, take out any alliances they currently have.

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  4. Im afraid this is true LFM and CDG at their high peak were very powerful but unable to destroy the Zetas only contain them for a little while, im guessing Chapo regrets snitching out Nazario Moreno to the cops because LFM used to contribute in fighting Los Zetas in Sonora and Tamaulipas , without Metro3 the CDG isn't much of a full force in combating Los Zetas

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  5. Hay van los canelos a tumbar tackuachez

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  6. If the alliance between Zetas - Beltran Leyvas is still strong in Jalisco,this will make the Zetas entry into the state easy,but recently theyve been having a fall out and rumor is that Beltran Leyvas dont want Zetas in Jalisco,Guadalajara.An armed commando was pulled over and the sicarios said their job was to prevent Zetas from entering Jalisco,they said to be members of the Beltran Leyva organization.I wonder if this was cleared out or if it means the beginning of a big split between BL & Zetas.The BLO is said to operate in some areas of Jalisco,like Guadalajara and owning the Puerto Vallarta plaza.

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  7. Someone needs to tell Chapo to give it up already. His only contribution to humanity is DOPE. He is no savior and the zetas are here to stay. As long as poverty exists in Mexico you will have zetas. How do you take on an enemy who has two options DEATH or POVERTY? Chapo has to lose all his money and government support to understand where these animals are coming from.

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  8. would it surprise you to know that on the US border, school counselors have instructed teachers to avoid current events that include the drug cartels. seems that cartel bosses have put their children in our schools and don't want teachers bad mouthing drug dealing parents.

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  9. When Arturo and Alfredo were allied to El Mayo and El chapo. They were the ones that had closer ties to political leaders, executives, army generals etc. When there split occurred El Mayo wanted El vicentilla to fill in the gaps and establish more ties in Mexico city. He previously was the main leader in culiacan when El mochomo was caught. Los Beltranes have had a large amount of power because of Amado carillo. Many people do not know that. The zetas are mainly hired for their chaotic methods that they integrate in various plazas. That is why beltran lethal do not find it favorable for them to bring their mayhem tactics to Guadalajara. Vicente carillo hired Los zetas for the same reason. To have some muscle as reinforcement. Though Juarez appear to not have a big territory. Many of their business is oversees unlike other cartels. But many don't know that. Research these families: de la Vega, Fuentes, zaragosa, otero, escobar. I use to see many of the younger generations in lounges, bars, clubs etc. They have many many legitimate billion dollar companies. That is what sets them apart from zetas who rely on mainly extortions, kidnapping etc. CdS trafficking drugs. Juarez can lose lots of ground but they have many clients that can go directly to other countries and buy and still be profitable to them.

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  10. Needed some feedback cuz rite now i stay in the states an im planning 2 move 2 Cancun. I wanted 2 know if theres any cartels down there an if is dangerous like many prts of Mexico? An if so who are the ones over the plazas down there Z,Beltrans,CDG,etc, who?

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  11. No se cansa de escribir pendejadas, vivan en Mexico, conozcan el entorno y despues escriben sus fantasias. El narco vive y se mantiene de $$$ de la venta de drogas, no de extorsiones.

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  12. The Beltran Leyva cartel has always been overlooked they are a full force in Sinaloa have big cities on lock , the media loves to play el Chapo as a godlike figure & hero they love making propaganda for him, I wonder if & when Pena Nieto takes office we will see the shift in power , also when el Mochomo is released next year

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  13. I don't think the Mata Zetas are going to succeed in their mission, Veracruz is a port of entry and Los Zetas will do anything to protect that port but so far no real war right now. I guess the Mata Zetas are gathering intelligence first and with the help of the federales it might get real nasty.

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  14. Sinaloa will come out on top as we always do....Chapo will make sure he appoints the next president of mex..when that happens the takuachezetas will be done and in history...Now..who else has that kind of power...

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  15. The Zetas will regret this decision really quick. If they think they can walk into GDL and cause chaos they've got another thing coming. Chapo has plenty of people in GDL but unlike the Zetas they know to lay low. Once Zetas start coming in they'll see just how much influence and power El Chapo has in GDL.

    There's a reason why El Chapo and Mayo's kids live in Zapopan, they've got that thing on lock down...

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  16. Mighty Mouse might be in a little trouble. He stays so full of coke that he probably doesn't realize how badly he is out numbered by a force that is driven by hunger. It is kind of like watching the Baltimore Ravens beat the Pittsburg Steelers. Baltimore is hungry, Pitt has reigned for years. The Zetas are calculating and tactical. There plan will be little better than General Eddy's 3 step plan to; 1) observe, 2) circle, and 3) capture (lol).

    The original plan was to have the smaller cartels backed into a corner by the election so if a truce was pushed, the Sinaloa territory would speak for itself and they would get most of the pie. It may not work out that way.

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  17. RE: October 3, 2011 8:50 PM

    Much like LFM, CDG and Leyva's they have little to no structure, just look at what happens when a cell leader goes down, they replace him with some chump that goes down a week later. Look at the Juarez and the Arellano cartel... El Chapo and Mayo have pretty much finished them off with help from the Government. Have you not seen how much activity there's been in Zetas territory? Zetas are taking some pretty big hits in Veracruz by both Chapo and the Government.

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  18. 8:41Guadalajara= el chapo terorrity....

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  19. If the mexican government and the Sinaloa Cartel cannot take out los zetas, then the whole country of mexico is a joke. I don't believe that this is the case. It's time for El Chapo to unleash his forces, put his money where his mouth is and protect his territories. He should have destroyed the zetas when he had the chance. He needs to help the CDG now because he's going to need them. Signing a truce with los zetas is unacceptable and will only give the zetas more power. El chapo has no other choice but to go to war with El lazca.

    The mexican government cannot give the country to the zetas. Mexico will never recover from the stigmata that the zetas have cast on itself. The zetas are everything that mexico hates about itself. They are a bunch of greedy, dirty, poor, ruthless savages from mexico and central america who are trained to steal, terrorize and kill the innocent people of mexico.

    Calderon and El chapo need to work together to destroy El lazca and his filthy gang of low-lifes. There is no way that los zetas will be able to beat El chapo and the mexican military. No fucken way.

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  20. The big concern for Americans and Canadians of course is the Chapala area with a population numbering in the thousands of ex-pat retirees and seasonal snowbirds.

    I would really like to get some thoughts from narco-war experts and knowledgable people about what the danger might be to the Gringo's who live around Chapala. Mostly they are elderly Gringo's, living on pensions and live in Chapala because they love Mexico and the climate is mild most of the year. They don't cause any trouble and many actually try to help the area through various charitable causes. They do help boost the Chapala economy but they could start to flee if this Jalisco campaign (whatever it is or turns out to be) becomes really bad.

    They are making threats of "Jalisco will burn" and turning it into the ghost town cities are like.

    They say that "unless you are involved in the drug trade etc. that as a gringo living in Mexico you are in no danger from the drug cartels.

    Does anyone think this will hold true if Jalisco starts to become more unstable and the situation deteriorates? At some point, one would be in danger just from cross-fire if it starts going to street to street fighting as has occurred in the ghost town zones.

    Thanks for any feedback. Some of us have family and we're getting more worried and concerned and there's talk of ex-pats starting to leave at a greater rate. Can anyone confirm?

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  21. @ luciferkilla

    There you go rambling at the mouth again. First you said that la familia was a force to be reckoned with. That they were the baddest cartel ever. Then you said that the caballeros templarios are the next big thing. Now you say that el chapo won't be able to take on los zetas.

    LFM is done. Caballeros Templarios should stay allies with el chapo if they know better. And los zetas will come out losing in the end. The only way that el chapo will lose, is if he fucks it up for himself. He needs to start creating stronger alliances, he needs to help CDG the best way he can, and he needs to Stop backstabbing the other cartel leaders. El chapo is his worst enemy.

    Whoever thinks that los zetas are this unstoppable force, are blinded by the zetas propaganda machine. They are not undefeatable. Neither is the CDS, but the mexican government is on the side of el chapo and that's what gives him the advantage.

    This is the war that El chapo wants in order to gain full supremacy of the drug business. If he goes to war with los zetas, it will make him look like the "good guy". He'll become the protagonist of this war while El lazca will remain the antagonist. los zetas are so close to being dismembered. If they can kill el lazca and z40, los zetas will collapse.

    The Mexican Government, The Sinaloa Cartel, The Gente Nueva, The Gulf Cartel, The Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generation, Caballeros Templarios, and Mata Zetas will Destroy los zetas and their lil' pack rat allies.

    This is the beginning of the end of los zetas.

    In the future, both El chapo and El lazca will be captured or killed. But if things go as planned, el lazca will go first before el chapo.

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  22. I read a comment stating that "chapo" will make sure he appoints the next president of Mexico. It does not work that way. There are about 10-15 wealthier people that have more influence then he does. And "chapo" does not infiltrate or play as big of a roll as "el Mayo" and "el Azul" with politicians, executives, and armed forces generals. Before "El Vicentillo" got caught he had more direct contact with officials and played a bigger role making sure everyone got their cut then el chapo. Point being, chapo will not appoint anyone for Mexico's next election.

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  23. October 3, 2011 7:56 PM The capital of Mexico the country is D.F. but the capital of the State of Mexico is Toluca.

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  24. @ LuciferKilla Chapo regrets snitching out Nazario Moreno to the cops.

    I'm not defending no one but I will like to know, what makes you think Chapo snitch him out? How can Chapo knew his were abouts? Or what type of evidence you have to suggest this?

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  25. There will be fosas full of zetas, like there are in durango.

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  26. @11:49 - yes there has been a mass migration of expats from mainland Mexico in the recent months due to the increased instability. Have know two amarican families (one young family With children and one retired couple) who have left Mexico as it is not longer safe (they were near Guad.) I suggest they move to Baja as CDS has it on lock and people are actually starting to travel there again after years of kidnappings and extortions created a no go zone.

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  27. PROUD MEXICAN AMERICANOctober 4, 2011 at 9:26 AM

    Someone needs to tell Chapo to give it up already. His only contribution to humanity is DOPE. He is no savior and the zetas are here to stay. As long as poverty exists in Mexico you will have zetas. How do you take on an enemy who has two options DEATH or POVERTY? Chapo has to lose all his money and government support to understand where these animals are coming from.

    October 3, 2011 8:50 PM






    i could not have said this better myself the cartels are different types of people mexico has alway been a poor country we all know that.the zetas have became so powerfull because of numbers they draw the poorest uneducated crash dummies and show them where the trigger is and these loosers somehow think they are going to someday make it big bigfer than what theyve had their whole lives which we all know wont happen but the damage will still be done .lazca puts 1 with a lil brains for every 15 crash dummies so then you have a death squad willing to do anything rather than go back to poverty so their you have it trigger happy hungry turned crackheads ready to kill for the next high!!!!!!!

    MEXICAN RAISED IN BORN AND RAISED IN THE US AND YES I LOVE MY COUNTRY FOR THE OPPORTUNITIES IT HAS DONE FOR ME . I KNOW THAT IF MY OL MAN WOULD HAVE NEVER CAME HERE I WOULD BE ANOTHER DEAD BODY WITH NO HEAD!

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  28. @ajulio,
    I respect what you say but I disagree with you whole heartedly. First, the Zetas will outlast the CDS simply because of their "very loose structure." The Zetas you can see are literally made up of hundreds of little cells, who have in a sense "franchised" the name Zetas but have no real affilation with the Zetas command structure (with the exception of paying a tariff to Lazca or Z40). How else can these guys sustain losses without really losing any ground? There have been dozens if not hundreds of arrests and killings of Zetas but those losses don't seem to slow their growth or expansion. Just look at the quality of the Zeta personnel being arrested or killed..they always appear as "street thugs" or lately females or corrupted police officers. Your sadly mistaken even foolish if you think the Zetas will be come defuncted or eradicated from Mexico. It's sad but true..and for the record I'm not a Zeta fan or supporter of any DTO. I think it's absolutely fucking tragic what's been happening in Mexico.

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  29. 9:25 PM...You are exactly right about the long money big players with the Juarez Cartel. The Zaragosas' own most of the gas station business in northern Mexico and 80% of the bottled natural gas in all of Mexico along whit 50 other businesses. I have seen one of their houses. It is set less than one mile from the US border on a 4 city block lot. It has a 40 foot tall concrete fence around it. It has a polo field in the yards. Cameras line the fence. Another you are talking about has a home in the city with a tall brick fence that outlines a square mile plot with a home that has 3 enormous domes and the home is at least 10 football fields in size. These players are not running around in the jungle toting AK 47s and snorting coke with every breathe. They are elite business men that are untouchable. Don't be mislead that the Juarez Cartel is a bunch of mean cops and street gangs that only control Juarez. This cartel is international and much of their business never even comes to Mexico. That was why Amado's son was busted in Mexico City. It is straight from Columbia to Europe. They have been big in the game forever. And if the truth came out, El Azul does more business with them than he ever did with Chapo and Mayo. This game is not about the puppets named as leaders, it is about the big money silent players you never hear about and their political connections. CDJ is bad to the bone and untouchable. Amado made these old timers and their heirs more billions than CDS has ever made and it was made when a dollar wasn't a dime. But they will not give up their precious gem (Juarez), and old money knows time is on their side. And what is 10 million given to the Zetas to heat up Chapo's plaza? Nothing, and he deserves it. When you look at the whole picture, the US market is really a small percentage. When the PRI takes the elections and regains control, these figures will one more time be the silent partners of a major organization.

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  30. @ajulio, I respect what you say but I disagree with you whole heartedly. First, the Zetas will outlast the CDS simply because of their "very loose structure."

    October 4, 2011 9:39 AM
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    How does having a "very loose structure" help a cartel? You can't just "start" your own cell, you need funding to purchase weapons,contacts etc... Unlike El Chapo going down Lazca being captured would be a huge hit to the Zetas. El Chapo hardly has any say anymore on what goes on and has all but passed the torch on to Alfredo and Ivan, I wouldn't be surprised if he was "killed" before 2013 and just went into retirement.

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  31. chapo conrols everythimg el azul el mayo or any other one of those top dogs in the sinaloa cartel say or do ! he takes their opinions but in the end he has the final say so and they (the top dogs respect that one thing about the cds is their loyalty 2 1 another ) tight knit crew of top dogs and if they even get a hint of 1 starting 2 stray then he get bumped of the map. chapo is at the top for the simple fact he is the founder of his organizatio

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  32. does anyone notice how (according to the media) the zetas seem to appear everywhere? zeta here, zeta there, zetas everywhere. bullshit.

    if anyone has ever come across this band of zeta cacas you'd see how all this strategic maneuvering they are credited with is beyond their capacity. Sure; all organizations can have some sophisticated operators. But everyone forgets how the majority of these assholes are the crem-de-the-ass of mexican society. dropouts, hoods, unemployed ex-farm kids, ex-cons, additcts, alcoholics, young and dumb gang members. ninis.

    How the fuck can a general run an organization with no middle management? If caca is what they have to work with, how does an organization get the power it is credited with, day in and day out, on the pages of this and other publications? plus troop transport, plus munitions logistics, plus needed provisions and "hotel services?"

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  33. @Ajulio your gunna see what im talking about LFM has gone down but came back with a different name and everyone knows that, Los Zetas are huge and savages who will destroy anyone who gets in their way just look at how many cartels have had to team up to fight them and Los Zetas ain't alone they have them Juarez boys and maybe Los Beltranes, if either CT or CDG gets knocked out then we can all assure CDS falling because CDJNG and Mata Zetas are too damm weak anyone who knows anything about mexican dto will tell you those cartels are not a power outside of their city CT has Michoacan and Guerrero and Guanajuato and CDG has Reynosa and a good pieces of Tamps so whose more of a help CT and CDG or CDJNG

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  34. @9:56 pm.In responce to your question Cancun,Quintana Roo is said to be under the control according to the goverment by two major cartels that operate there, Beltran Leyvas and Zetas.Actually the whole state off Quintana Roo is controlled by Beltran Leyvas and Zetas they are widely UNdisputed there.The levels of violence are minimum,because this state is under complete control by those cartels.Theres an article about it,but its in Spanish I think its called"Beltran Leyva Y Los Zetas duenos absolutos de Quintana Roo".

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  35. @10:35 Chapo ain't gonna appoint shit. The next president of mexico knows he'd better come out swinging or mexico will be lost in the first 6 months of the next sexenio.

    PRI, PAN, it doesn't matter anymore. Any one you hear talking political shit - PAN is better that PRI - PRI will control things - you will know that person is bought and paid for narco. Mexicans (for once in your history) must unite to defeat corruption and impunity.

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  36. 11:07. Thank you. I lived in El Paso for a few years. I know what's. And I have been to Sinaloa various times. Know the real picture. And yes the zaragosas basically monopolized "gas natural"

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  37. Whoever wrote this article didn't do his homework and is mainly speculating. The Sinaloa Cartel is far more organized and disciplined than the Zetas. And it looks more like the SC is moving into zeta territory. You can't ignore 40 something bodies scattered all over a major highway. And let's not forget that the Zetas have a huge target on their backs right now and they are public enemy number one. There are reports of La Marina Mexicana picking up Zetas and their dead bodies turning up the next day. This is going on in Veracruz as well as coahuila that have Long been Zeta strongholds. The Zetas don't have the connections that the SC have which is why they extort and kidnap. They also tried going in Nayarit and that didn't go well for them at all. An associate of El Macho Prieto was arrested in Jalisco recently and that only proves that the SC is ready for any Zeta incursion. God bless Mexico and all the Inocent people who have been affected by the growing cartel violence.

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  38. fuck them zetas but I really hope they catch el chapo I wanna see the video of death

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  39. CDJNG IS REALLY A POWERFUL ORGANIZATION DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NACHO'S PEOPLE. NACHO AT THE TIME BEFORE HIS DEATH HAD LOTS OF PEOPLE UNDER HIS COMMAND AND WAS A VERY POWERFUL PERSON SOME SAY EVEN MORE THEN EL CHAPO. NOTHING CHANGED BUT THE BOSS DIEING AND CDJNG BECOMING ITS OWN CARTEL. JUST BECUASE YOU ONLY SEE 40 MATAZETAS IN A VIDEO DOESNT MEAN THAT THATS ALL THE PEOPLE THEY HAVE IN VERACRUZ. CDJNG ARE IN THE SAME STANDARDS AS CHAPO'S PEOPLE GENTE NUEVA AND MAYO'S PEOPLE LOS ANTRAX. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEIR BOSSES DEATH. IM NOT SAYING THAT THEY CAN ELIMINATE LOS ZETAS BUT FORSURE THEY DO HAVE THE POWER TO STOP THEM FROM TAKING JALISCO AND STILL WAGING AN ALL OUT WAR IN VERACRUZ.

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  40. In the next few years we'll see who's going to stay at the top. los zetas are scattered all over the place but i don't think that they are that organized. They don't have the same connections as El chapo. They don't push as much as the CDS. They are enemies of the state. No one likes them. They are easily the most hated cartel in mexico. What goes around comes around and it's at that time when los zetas are going to wreak from their violent mistakes. It's the reckless cartels that always get destroyed first. History proves this. El chapo is the provocoteur of this war but he's a genius business man. He knows how to manipulate the system.

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  41. I don't know about you guys but Los Zetas seem like the most knit-tight organization of all of Mexico, Cartel de Sinaloa seem a lot more loosely organized. I don't know why people say Los Zetas are street thugs, I say depending on the city they are especially cities with street gangs like Monterrey or Juarez. You guys have to admit no matter how many commadantes or plaza leaders or even bosses they kill from Los Zetas, they don't splinter like other cartels which tells you something about the organization.

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  42. I respect Los Zetas in being truthful in what they are: a paramilitary armed gang that has no boundaries and will kill/torture anyone or anything that gets in their way.

    Sinaloa Cartel - Guzman specifically is a backstabber, a killer of friends/allies. Imagine Alexander Macedon or Ghenkis Kahn betrayed by their closest generals...that is what El Chapo is. The lesser of two evils? Yes

    Still respect Heriberto Lazcano over Guzman any day of the week, no comparison. One is a soldier/warrior, one is a backstabbing farmer.

    Take that as you wish.

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  43. 12:51

    They ratted out their creators. zetas are backstabbing bitches and fucking rats. I smell a troller here, you really respect the zetas?

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  44. CDG killed the regional Zeta commander, allied with Sinaloa and La Familia and started the war.

    You have to be completely ignorant to state "They ratted out their creators" when it was obviously the other way around.

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  45. 7:45 please do your research before you know the whole story. the los zetas already betrayed the CDG before they killed the commander. Lol you are the one who is ignorant and dont know anything. you are a idiot.

    The arrest and extradition of Osiel Cárdenas left the Gulf Cartel in an internal crisis for succession.[76] In addition, the Gulf Cartel began looking to form a truce with their Sinaloa Cartel rivals, and Los Zetas did not want to recognize the treaty settlement.[77] The next candidates in line were Antonio Ezekiel Cárdenas Guillén, brother of Osiel and candidate of the Gulf Cartel,[78] and Heriberto Lazcano, second-in-line after the death of Arturo Guzmán Decena and candidate of Los Zetas.[79] The deportation of Osiel Cárdenas emboldened Lazcano and his number one companion, Jaime González Durán "The Hummer”, to act independently of the vicious contenders to the head of the cartel: Ezekiel, known as "Tony Tormenta," and the former municipal policeman Jorge Eduardo Costilla Sánchez, also known as "El Coss".[80] It became a norm for Los Zetas to not ask permission for anything. They simply informed them of their activities whenever they felt like doing so.[81]
    After an obvious detachment and continuous disagreement, the Gulf Cartel and Los Zetas began to separate in 2008, but their official rupture was announced in 2010.[82] Since then, a bloody turf war for territory is still an ongoing armed conflict in Mexico,[83] predominantly in the states of Tamaulipas[84] and Nuevo León.[85]

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  46. CDG and their allies started the war, not Los Zetas. The fact that El Coss and Tony Tormenta were weak leaders and Hummer and Lazcano were not is besides the point, the apprentice became better than the master - a millennial concept - . The Z protected CDG's Tamaulipas from CDS between 04-06, and did their recruiting for them. CDG got scared and tried to take them out before they got too powerful, and failed.

    simple and to the point, the copy/paste routine means nothing if you cannot understand the basic concept

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  47. That's true and Zetas die and multiply at an alarming rate its scary to know they might win these guys don't care about goverments and the military if they win expect other criminal organizations to ally or crumble because of them, they already hhave the Italian Mafia working for them

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  48. Lol 11:14 they started to ignore their orders etc disrespect and formed a alliance with beltran leyva cartel that means that zetas are no respected but a bunch of savages who likes to rat and betray people and kill innocent people. They are just like another cartels accept it you are a joke cant take you serious man. Go do research..

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  49. 11:14 AM...You are correct. The anonymous arguing with you is probably a resent addition to the subject. The Sinaloa Cartel would have taken Nuevo Laredo when CDG and Zetas were together but the Zetas kicked Chapos ass out of the plaza with little problem. This was back when the Beltrans and Sinaloa were still together. They sent Arturo's golden boy running back to Sinaloa to tell Daddy Chapo that the Zetas didn't play fair. They fight back rough. That plaza maybe the most valuable of all plazas and it is the gold mine that finances the Z.

    1:07 PM...You may need to research, there was no alliance with Beltrans until the Z split with CDG and the Beltrons split with CDS. Then there was an alliance and Z has stood strong with that alliance unlike CDG and CDS does.

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  50. A toda madre los comentarios per creo que los ZETAS tactica y militar y logisticamente son mejores ,no olviden que HERIBERTO LAZCANO es un militar formado y no un campesino cualquiera.

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  51. 3:30

    Nope before the split oh god do your research you are just keep talking shit lol everything is wrong about it

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  52. @ 10:53 wow!!! You can copy and paste from Wikipedia

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  53. @ 9:39 Oct 4th
    Probably one of the best comments I have ever read on here. You seem to be one of the very few people on here that knows what they are talking about. Most of the people commenting do not have the slightest idea what is real or fantasy. It makes me laugh reading all the conspiracy theories and " expert" opinions. Y para los que vayan a decir algo sobre mi comentario; a diferencia de ustedes en gringolandía, que ni saben la capital de México, yo radico en Monterrey, uriundo de Santiago. Me dan muchísma risa las pendejads que es ruben en este foro

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  54. Cdg (Metro 3 ) killed Serio Pena aka Concord 3 a Zeta lieutenant. In Reynosa in Feb. 2010.Lazcano wanted. Metro 3 dead and gave El Coss a option to kill Metro or go to war.....This was one of the reasons for the separation..
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  55. Just because lazcano was in the military that dont mean shit. El chapo has the government working on his side.( the entire mexican military). Even one of his closest associates el bravo who was a graduate of what i woulde call the mexican west point has better training than lazca. Plus el chapo has expirience as a buissnes man and dealer. Lazca dont know shit about buissness nor does he have the connections that el chapo has. Plus the target on lazca and his orginization don't help his cause. Whoevr sys the zetas arent traders is stupid. They are traders to mexico, killing the innocent extorting kidnapping and in general being douche bags of society. The zetas have lost to many high profile members to stay as strong as they were. And even when they are replaced these new guys lack expirience. Plus the original zetas were the most dangerous now they train gunmen in 15 days. That says alot. Zetas can eat shit. I hope to see lazcanos death on video. Puro durango cabrones.

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  56. Zetas are strong in all the country, from time to time it seems they are only low life criminals that doesn't even have training in combat; then… something like de battle that took place in Nayarit (Near the city of Ruiz) some months ago, when a commando of zetas kick the shit out of a highly trained CDS commando, leaving at least 40 death body’s with full military gear just lying in the floor death.
    CDS couldn’t even enter the state of Nayarit (south of Sinaloa), the zetas and beltranes killed the CDS commando right away in an ambush.
    I truly fear the day when los zetas really try to take Guadalajara, it is one of the last “peaceful” big cities in Mexico.

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  57. El Bravo never completed the GAFE course, which Lazca did. He deserted the Military for depression reasons and headed back to Chilpancingo de los Bravo, Guerrero, hence his nickname. All I see in these comments are Sinaloa fans typing non-sense. At least put things in perspective before writing about your favorite Cartel.

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  58. wow gafe course...that was back in 1998 when lazcano turned sicario along with his companions. most of the original zetas ones are dead or jalied already. its 2011 now, what make you think ex gafes werent hired by other cartels since. many i would think.

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  59. Any person on here claiming the zetas will take over are living in a fantasy!! The U.S. has too much invested in Mexico to let some low-life rats like the zetas take over!! Chapo is too powerful and yes; like a blogger on here already said, he has all the Mexican military behind him and behind that is the U.S. military, so to all you ignorant zeta fans do you realy think the zetas will win?? really???? zetas have lost a lot already and veracruz is not even under their full control like some of you idiots claim they have.. what a joke when chapo's forces can just run up and kill 40 of your people like nothing! Oh and another thing to all the people reading this: zetas dont kill any of chapos men, they kidnap innocent civilians and kill them and leave a sign claming they are rival cartel members, THIS IS TRUE! I have family in MExico and they say they pick up random people to kill and intimdate regular people! that proves that the zetas are vermin cowards!!! PEOPLE YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO, THE ZETAS CANNOT WIN THIS WAR WITH RATS, IT TAKES MEN TO WIN WARS AND ZETAS ARE NOT MEN! THEY WILL NOT WIN THIS WAR.. VIVA MEXICO, CHAPO, AND THE GREAT UNITED STATES!!!

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