Posted by DD. Some material republished from My San Antonio and Houston Chronicle
With all the fragmentation of the major cartels into smaller cartels or just multiple gangs over the recent past it is hard to keep up with who is the leader of which cartel or even how many cartels there are.
Things could get much more complicated in the near future. In the next 4 years, 3 'major players' and/or founders of some of Mexico's most notorious cartels will be released from U.S. federal prisons. How will they react with all the young Turks who now seem to running many of the cartels today. Only time will tell.
Jesus Hector Palma Salazar
The first on the list to be released in the next 4 years is Palma Salazar. He was an early leader who along with Chapo Guzman was instrumental in building the Sinaloa Cartel in the power it became. He is to be freed by June 2016, according to the U.S Bureau of Prisons, as he has completed his sentence of 19 years.
It is not the first time that Palmar had served time in US prisons. In 1978, Palma was arrested in Arizona on drug trafficking and sentenced to eight years in a U.S. prison. He served his sentence and was sent back to Mexico where he resumed his career in drug trafficking.
As reported in the Chron, according to Mike Vigil, a retired chief of international operations for the Drug Enforcement Administration, Palma's return to Mexico may have precipitated a major shift in the drug wars from a cartel policy of surgical kills when necessary to wholesale killing. This shift was brought about by some extreme personal tragedies that he suffered after he was released from prison the first time.
The story is that while he was in prison in the US after the 1978 arrest his wife, Guadalupe, fell in love with the husband of her sister, a Venezuelan named Rafael Clavel. Palma and Clavel had worked together trafficking drugs since they both worked for the Guadalajara Cartel.
Clavel got Guadalupe to withdraw 7 million dollars that Salazar had stashed in a Mexican bank.
He and Salazar's wife then fled with Salazar and Guadalupe's 2 small children. Salazar was furious and swore revenge against Clavel . Clavel responded by sending a least a part Palma's wife back to him. Clavel had decapitated Guadalupe, packed her head in ice and sent it to Salazar.
Clavel then fled to Venezuela where he threw the children, one at a time, off a high bridge. He filmed them falling and splattering on the asphalt below and sent the tape to Salazar.
"It devastated him," recalled Mike Vigil. "After his kids were killed, he lost all of his morality," Vigil said of Palma-Salazar.
The death of Palma Salazar's family revealed a dramatic shift in Mexico's drug violence.
"Before it was kind of like the Italian Mafia, you don't screw with the family, " Vigil said.
t was the first time a narco got that way with the family of another narco and Guadalupe was the first beheading, an atrocity that is now common.
Clavel soon afterward went to work for Gallardo in the Tijuana Cartel. Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo, the Godfather of the Guadalara Cartel, had awarded Tijuana to his nephews when he divided the plazas. They later formed the Tijuana Cartel (Arellano Félix Organization)
In retaliation for what Clavel had done, Palma executed Gallardo's lawyer and Clavel's three children. There are rumors that Salazar also killed nine members of the Arellano family. Clavels was arrested and sent to prison before Palma got to him. According to the official reports Clavel was killed in prison from a stab wound. According to rumors, Clavel was decapitated in prison on the orders of Palma Salvador.
Palma broke his ties to Gallardo groups and sought out Chapo Guzman. He worked along side Guzman in forming the Sinaloa Cartel. After Guzman's arrest in Guatemala in 1993 Palma continued in a leadership role and even expanded the international operations of the Sinaloa Cartel. By the time Palma was arrested in 1995 he had replaced Chapo as the world's most wanted drug trafficker.
He had managed to avoid arrest by paying hefty bribes where ever necessary. Palma had managed to corrupt the Judicial Police Federal (PJF), avoiding detection, posing as an element of the Judicial Police Federal, he traveled in a heavily armed convoy of PJF police . Plus later he discovered that he was able to avoid capture by staying in the house of the commander of the local police.
His corruption of the judicial system in Mexico and his influence was strong even after he was jailed on his current charges. An example of his strength in the Juciary was when 18 of his men were arrested in possession of 28 "long guns", 2 hand guns, 223 clips, and 10K bullets, 12 grenade launchers, 18 hand grenades, smoke grenades and bullet proof vests. The men were released by Judge Jose Luis Gomez Martinez, who stated that there was no evidence that they were part of any criminal organization
Vigil predicted Palma Salazar will soon be back in business.
"I don't know how much money he has now, but the fact of the matter is that this is the only business he knows," Vigil said.
Miguel Angel Caro Quintero
The next on the list to be released in the next 4 years is Miguel Angel Caro Quintero. His release date is October 19, 2019. Miguel Angel Caro was a member of the now dissolved Guadalajara Cartel.
In 2010, Quintero was sentenced to 17 years in prison for trafficking marijuana and participating in organized crime according to CNN.
Pleaded guilty to trafficking more than 100 tons of marijuana. Between 1985 and 1988, when the marijuana was trafficked, Caro-Quintero made about $100 million according to a release from the U.S. Department of Justice.
He is the younger brother of Rafael Caro Quintero. Big brother Rafael served 28 years of a 40-year sentence for the murder of Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) undercover agent Enrique "Kiki" Camarena Salazar, in 1985. He was released from a Mexican prison at 4:30AM on August 9, 2013 under suspicious circumstances.
A state court ruled the night before he was released (after he was impisoned for 28 years) that he had been tried improperly and ordered him released. The court issuing the order nor the prison authorities announce his imminent release.
His release caused an uproar in government circles in the US, especially at the DEA. The US said it had requested his requested his extradition to the US when he was released. Mexico said the US extradition papers were not valid because they had been signed by a Deputy Chief of some department at the US Embassy in Mx. City rather than by the Ambassador as required by law so that they had no authority to hold him. New papers were quickly redrawn and signed by the Ambassador and delivered to the Mexican govt. Under pressure by the US Mexico issued an arrest warrant but by that time Caro had disappeared. He is currently a fugitive.
The sentences imposed do not match up to the date of release for some of the above. The only explanation I can offer is while some faced an excess of 19 years behind bars, good behavior serves as a crucial bargaining chip for a reduced sentence.
Juan Jose Quintero Payan,
The 3rd of the big time players scheduled for release soon is Juan Jose Quintero Payan, known as Don Juan..
He is scheduled for release is April 2018. When Amado Carrillo Fuentes founded the Juarez cartel with his brother Quintero-Payan was his second in command.
After Carrillo-Fuentes' death from plastic surgery (though many people think he faked his death), Quintero-Payan assumed a greater leadership role within the cartel.
Don Juan will be 76 years old when he is released. But the retired DEA agent Mike Vigil stressed that he is in great condition with enough life in him to return to the drug trade upon his release.
"I was on the plane that was transporting him to the U.S.," Vigil said. "He's very sharp and cunning. This is an individual you would not want to cross paths with, he's a psychopathic killer."
During his sentencing, Payan asked for forgiveness: “I ask for forgiveness to the society of the United States. I know I have done wrong and I accept my responsibility.
Quintera Pavan Family Ties
In addition to being the uncle of Miguel Caro Quintero and Rafael Caro Quintero, Quintero Payan he is also the great uncle of Sandra Ávila Beltrán who is also known as "La Reina del Pacifico" (Queen of the Pacific). Since 2007, she has been held in a Mexican prison on charges of organized crime, money laundering and conspiracy to traffic drugs.
Although some are facing charges in Mexico upon their release and deportation, it isn't a rarity for Mexico judges to order the release of criminals on suspiciously convenient technicalities. Miguel, who will be released in 2019, is the brother of Rafael Caro Quintero — the man at the center of the most famous instance of convenient technicalities (the one released at 4:30AM).
As Mike Vigil told My San Antonio in a telephone interview,
"They have significant knowledge of the drug trade and tremendous smuggling capabilities," Vigil said. "It won't take them long to get into the drug trade which will contribute to the movement of drugs into the U.S."
"Now that Miguel is going to be released I guarantee you he's going to link up with his brother, the drug trade is all they know," Vigil, author of the book DEAL, said.
Despite spending more than a decade behind bars, the group remains well connected and highly respected for their role in the foundation of the drug trade. Vigil has no doubts the trio will be welcomed back into their respective trades "with welcome arms."
With all the fragmentation of the major cartels into smaller cartels or just multiple gangs over the recent past it is hard to keep up with who is the leader of which cartel or even how many cartels there are.
Things could get much more complicated in the near future. In the next 4 years, 3 'major players' and/or founders of some of Mexico's most notorious cartels will be released from U.S. federal prisons. How will they react with all the young Turks who now seem to running many of the cartels today. Only time will tell.
Jesus Hector Palma Salazar
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It is not the first time that Palmar had served time in US prisons. In 1978, Palma was arrested in Arizona on drug trafficking and sentenced to eight years in a U.S. prison. He served his sentence and was sent back to Mexico where he resumed his career in drug trafficking.
As reported in the Chron, according to Mike Vigil, a retired chief of international operations for the Drug Enforcement Administration, Palma's return to Mexico may have precipitated a major shift in the drug wars from a cartel policy of surgical kills when necessary to wholesale killing. This shift was brought about by some extreme personal tragedies that he suffered after he was released from prison the first time.
The story is that while he was in prison in the US after the 1978 arrest his wife, Guadalupe, fell in love with the husband of her sister, a Venezuelan named Rafael Clavel. Palma and Clavel had worked together trafficking drugs since they both worked for the Guadalajara Cartel.
Clavel got Guadalupe to withdraw 7 million dollars that Salazar had stashed in a Mexican bank.
He and Salazar's wife then fled with Salazar and Guadalupe's 2 small children. Salazar was furious and swore revenge against Clavel . Clavel responded by sending a least a part Palma's wife back to him. Clavel had decapitated Guadalupe, packed her head in ice and sent it to Salazar.
Clavel then fled to Venezuela where he threw the children, one at a time, off a high bridge. He filmed them falling and splattering on the asphalt below and sent the tape to Salazar.
"It devastated him," recalled Mike Vigil. "After his kids were killed, he lost all of his morality," Vigil said of Palma-Salazar.
The death of Palma Salazar's family revealed a dramatic shift in Mexico's drug violence.
"Before it was kind of like the Italian Mafia, you don't screw with the family, " Vigil said.
t was the first time a narco got that way with the family of another narco and Guadalupe was the first beheading, an atrocity that is now common.
Clavel soon afterward went to work for Gallardo in the Tijuana Cartel. Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo, the Godfather of the Guadalara Cartel, had awarded Tijuana to his nephews when he divided the plazas. They later formed the Tijuana Cartel (Arellano Félix Organization)
In retaliation for what Clavel had done, Palma executed Gallardo's lawyer and Clavel's three children. There are rumors that Salazar also killed nine members of the Arellano family. Clavels was arrested and sent to prison before Palma got to him. According to the official reports Clavel was killed in prison from a stab wound. According to rumors, Clavel was decapitated in prison on the orders of Palma Salvador.
Palma broke his ties to Gallardo groups and sought out Chapo Guzman. He worked along side Guzman in forming the Sinaloa Cartel. After Guzman's arrest in Guatemala in 1993 Palma continued in a leadership role and even expanded the international operations of the Sinaloa Cartel. By the time Palma was arrested in 1995 he had replaced Chapo as the world's most wanted drug trafficker.
He had managed to avoid arrest by paying hefty bribes where ever necessary. Palma had managed to corrupt the Judicial Police Federal (PJF), avoiding detection, posing as an element of the Judicial Police Federal, he traveled in a heavily armed convoy of PJF police . Plus later he discovered that he was able to avoid capture by staying in the house of the commander of the local police.
His corruption of the judicial system in Mexico and his influence was strong even after he was jailed on his current charges. An example of his strength in the Juciary was when 18 of his men were arrested in possession of 28 "long guns", 2 hand guns, 223 clips, and 10K bullets, 12 grenade launchers, 18 hand grenades, smoke grenades and bullet proof vests. The men were released by Judge Jose Luis Gomez Martinez, who stated that there was no evidence that they were part of any criminal organization
Vigil predicted Palma Salazar will soon be back in business.
"I don't know how much money he has now, but the fact of the matter is that this is the only business he knows," Vigil said.
Miguel Angel Caro Quintero
The next on the list to be released in the next 4 years is Miguel Angel Caro Quintero. His release date is October 19, 2019. Miguel Angel Caro was a member of the now dissolved Guadalajara Cartel.
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| Photo: Pgr, AFP/Getty Images |
Pleaded guilty to trafficking more than 100 tons of marijuana. Between 1985 and 1988, when the marijuana was trafficked, Caro-Quintero made about $100 million according to a release from the U.S. Department of Justice.
He is the younger brother of Rafael Caro Quintero. Big brother Rafael served 28 years of a 40-year sentence for the murder of Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) undercover agent Enrique "Kiki" Camarena Salazar, in 1985. He was released from a Mexican prison at 4:30AM on August 9, 2013 under suspicious circumstances.
A state court ruled the night before he was released (after he was impisoned for 28 years) that he had been tried improperly and ordered him released. The court issuing the order nor the prison authorities announce his imminent release.
His release caused an uproar in government circles in the US, especially at the DEA. The US said it had requested his requested his extradition to the US when he was released. Mexico said the US extradition papers were not valid because they had been signed by a Deputy Chief of some department at the US Embassy in Mx. City rather than by the Ambassador as required by law so that they had no authority to hold him. New papers were quickly redrawn and signed by the Ambassador and delivered to the Mexican govt. Under pressure by the US Mexico issued an arrest warrant but by that time Caro had disappeared. He is currently a fugitive.
The sentences imposed do not match up to the date of release for some of the above. The only explanation I can offer is while some faced an excess of 19 years behind bars, good behavior serves as a crucial bargaining chip for a reduced sentence.
Juan Jose Quintero Payan,
The 3rd of the big time players scheduled for release soon is Juan Jose Quintero Payan, known as Don Juan..
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| Photo: Lisa Krantz |
After Carrillo-Fuentes' death from plastic surgery (though many people think he faked his death), Quintero-Payan assumed a greater leadership role within the cartel.
Don Juan will be 76 years old when he is released. But the retired DEA agent Mike Vigil stressed that he is in great condition with enough life in him to return to the drug trade upon his release.
"I was on the plane that was transporting him to the U.S.," Vigil said. "He's very sharp and cunning. This is an individual you would not want to cross paths with, he's a psychopathic killer."
During his sentencing, Payan asked for forgiveness: “I ask for forgiveness to the society of the United States. I know I have done wrong and I accept my responsibility.
Quintera Pavan Family Ties
In addition to being the uncle of Miguel Caro Quintero and Rafael Caro Quintero, Quintero Payan he is also the great uncle of Sandra Ávila Beltrán who is also known as "La Reina del Pacifico" (Queen of the Pacific). Since 2007, she has been held in a Mexican prison on charges of organized crime, money laundering and conspiracy to traffic drugs.
Although some are facing charges in Mexico upon their release and deportation, it isn't a rarity for Mexico judges to order the release of criminals on suspiciously convenient technicalities. Miguel, who will be released in 2019, is the brother of Rafael Caro Quintero — the man at the center of the most famous instance of convenient technicalities (the one released at 4:30AM).
As Mike Vigil told My San Antonio in a telephone interview,
"They have significant knowledge of the drug trade and tremendous smuggling capabilities," Vigil said. "It won't take them long to get into the drug trade which will contribute to the movement of drugs into the U.S."
"Now that Miguel is going to be released I guarantee you he's going to link up with his brother, the drug trade is all they know," Vigil, author of the book DEAL, said.
Despite spending more than a decade behind bars, the group remains well connected and highly respected for their role in the foundation of the drug trade. Vigil has no doubts the trio will be welcomed back into their respective trades "with welcome arms."
What a scum Clavel was. Just imagine how devastating it must have been to watch a tape of his own kids being dropped down a bridge. He can burn in hell for all of eternity
ReplyDelete1:35am if you search you'll find the name of the bridge. Some say the children were killed before but it makes no difference, horrible.
DeleteRead the book, The Power of the Dogs, its creepy to read now the actual story behind one of those parts in the book. Read it!
DeleteClavel was Miguel Angel Felix Gallardo's colombian man, and the Arellano Felix were his men, and don Chuyito Labra Avilés, but Jorge Hank Rohn was THE GODFATHER with the tijuana cartel until he got denounced...until then, the Atracomulca cartel made doo with them, no wonder the friendships got lost, chilangos de atracomulco got involved in all the cartels and remain 8nvolved up to now, not as accepters of kickbacks corrupted by the narcos, but as the corrupt ones, running shit for their benefit.
DeleteI hope el güero Palmas does not come out all respectful of don el padrino miguel angel felix gallardo kissing his pinkie and shit, and forgets he got imprisoned on trumped up charges because "he was on the way" of somebody and the US was playing along...
9:45pm
DeleteClavel was from Venezuela.
I agree except Jorge Hank Rohn is still pulling the strings!!! but he has put so many layers between himself and anything hot plus he got the financial power to keep anything at bay.
Delete2:34 his brother Carlos hank rohn has been accused too, with Jaime Camil Garza, the father in law of sergio mayer the actor that was making the la barbie movie, that makes one brother CAF and the other blo,
DeleteInteresting read, but all this could be solved with with one kick from whatever moving vehicle is used to transport them from prison, job done everyone can go home.
ReplyDeleteEl hector wero palma........its about time
ReplyDelete6:11 yep, I hope el güero palma enjoys his revenge, it is very cold already, and there is no need for anything else...
Delete--El Padrino ya está viejito, pero aunque sea unos piquetitos.
El huero palma found god in prison and is old dont think he will do much
DeleteThe Lord will guide his hand, el padrino has things to esplanade to el güero palma...
Delete--We all find the Lord in prison, just in case.
Puro sinaloa real godfathers of the drug trade
ReplyDeletePuro sinaloa no chingues i think that cdg is still older then those rats de sinaloa
DeleteNice to see the cdg and sinaloa cheerleaders join the conversation. Question for the cartel cheerleaders and wannabe's...what does cdg/sinaloa sweaty nutz taste like?? Just wondering since you people are all over them....sorry phucks!
Deletedrug trafficking started in Sinaloa. Thats a fact.Im talking in the 1900s the US govt was getting Opium gum for the US army during ww1 from people from Sinaloa.
Delete1:24 the trafficking started is not the same as an organized cartel started. Eiher way nothing to be proud of.
DeleteThey circumvented their own prohibition that forbade the Opium trade and directly made contact with the illegal Sinaloan producers and sidestepping their own - so devastating - policies and legislation kind of under the table enticed them to start up production again. This indeed was done to create a possibility to obtain enough painkilling to meet the enormous demand that was foreseen for the expected amounts of wounded that one could expect as a result / consequence of the military war effort in WW2. After WW2 came to a conclusion demand started declining (and the international markets for strictly regulated supply of opiates became accessible, reliable and stable again) the US seemlessly and without so much as a "thank tou" returned to their previous policy of suppression (which I imagine must have caused bad blood, feelings of being betrayed and used, by their now again actively illegalized wartime producing trading partners, who indeed from the earliest days were mainly located in Sinaloa, where the trade was once started and set up by local Chinese immigrants who had the necessary knowledge). Illegalization came about in the same decade and kind of hand in hand with the prohibition of alcohol, only that prohibition was turned back after ten years, in which period alcohol consumption quadrupled and heavy crime took of like wildfire as a result. The US are not intensionally known for either their wisdom nor for their honesty, nor for their ability to learn anything from errors made in the past, and thus prohibition of Opium and some derivatives thereof was never made undone, and many more "drugs", which of course only means as much as 'medicines' are made illegal since and after adding to their lists of suppressed substances have also become so profitable that cartels churn in the hundreds of billions ever since, it all resulting in the most horrible abominations that all come from greed and are carried out by the most ruthless ones who have tendences of being (ultra) violent as well as who lack the qualities and qualifications to do sonething else, something that would serve society and man(kind), instead. Poverty, the too extremely unequal spreading of means of living (money), and often a downright lack of chances play a similar role in keeping the madness go as the fact that the vulnerable, unarmed people in societies that do not offer fair protection are being forced by threat and directly exerted violence does.) The War on Drugs is an aberration with far reaching consequences, socially of course and also with environmental implications. It is purely economic because: profitable - for armsdealers and - manufacturers, prison corporations, cops, judges and anybody else in law and law enforcement and a complete cluster of supply industries that surround the whole shebang, the overwhelming, collective stupidity and a tendency towards unfairness of the populace may be the ultimate shortcomings that keep its insanity go - it is not drugs as it is a well-known fact that legalization soon leads to enormously significant drops in amounts of users, and it is the hysteria and lack of practical approach and education that cause the brunt of the harm drugs do, as most drugs as long as they are carefully dosed only have therapeutic effects and no life-threatening. It would be so much wiser, and especially desirable, to rather try to find scientific answers that would bring us mankind insight and knowledge of WHY it is that so many of us are looking for SOMETHING in their lives, something additional, like substances in the first place...
DeleteI'm looking for the end of impunity, confiscation of drug made fortunes and exposing the worst of the worst and punishment, retroactive, the only chance would be to pay a comision on captured goods, every narco wants to keep some of their money with their freedom, how's about that?
DeleteI wouldn't worry too much of some old geasers. If the current young leaders are struggling what chance do they have.
ReplyDeleteAnd that is why they should be something to worry about. Just because their old. Doesnt mean they cant run things. Your a fool for even saying that. Go look up the worlds gangsters. Tell me how many of them are under 40 years old!
Delete@753 at their age you really think they stand a chance? They'll be lucky if they're even allowed to score their fix. All their contacts are dead or in jail. Besides Guero Palma was a drug addict and loose canon way before his family was murdered. Just like Ondeado.
DeleteIf anyone could ever put the pieces back together again, it would be these old "geezers" as you call them. The young hot heads could never do that.
DeleteCaro is still out there somewhere, I think Azul is still out there, and maybe "the Lord of the skies" is still out there. With Palma coming out and little Caro brother coming out soon that makes quite a group.
They all still command a great deal of respect and trust in the business. They won't be leading a squad of sicarios, or setting up ambushes against the military or shooting down helicopters, but if they can (through their accumulated wisdom acquired getting to be "old geezers") show the fractured groups a plan of operation that would make them more money greatly lesson the risk, they might just make it happen.
The "business" is constantly changing. Who knows? Only time will tell.
The golden era of trafficking is over nowadays its whos got the most guns and who is willing to be the bloodiest. I grew up in the Calexico/mexicali frontera away from most of the bloodshed. I graduated from Calexico High and got to enjoy the mexicali nightlife. Times are a change the golden years of narcos living in Calexico and working in mexicali are over.
DeleteAs the federal government role in drug trafficking gets exposed, and the involvement of some of the biggest politicians and businessmen gets made clear to people, they all are working for reforms that include their keeping what they have earned illegally, no retroactive punishments or charges, or even accusations without "proof", AND none of them have to testify about their "private business", no matter what the accusations...
Delete--they know the law, that is the law, They made the law...
1005. That may be true in Mexico, however in the U.S. the rich and powerful, or elite, propose and push for laws, hence make the laws. This is noted in many textbooks.
DeleteThat's great, all the Cartel heavies link n destroy wipe out all these wanna be Cartel/Cartel capos. Awesome!!
ReplyDeleteAnother founding member of the Sinaloa Cartel was Adrián Gómez González. A quick check with Wiki provides little information about Gonzalez. All references about him seem to be copied directly from the six lines in Wicki. Does anybody have any info about this boss post 1989? There are no pictures available from any date. Did he retire or did he take that trip to Belize??
ReplyDeleteAnyone heard any stories
7:08am I read 5 references at the bottom of the wiki article. Don't remember where but I once read he's in prison.
DeleteClavel was the man of the year tricked palmas wife into thinking he was in love. Took 7 million of Palma's cash and then cut her head off and threw the baby's down a bridge all while recording it. Its Palma's wife's fault for stealing her sisters husband.
ReplyDelete7:36 YOU ARE one sick twisted individual for calling a CHILD KILLER "man of the year" and then blaming it all on a woman. Clavel himself, your hero, never enjoyed the money, immediately went on the run, captured, and summarily killed in prison.
Delete@7:36 am your correct my friend. None of this would happen if it wasn't for his whore wife.
Delete@7:36am & 11:52pm
DeleteI bet you two also complain how Mexico is all messed and needs to be cleaned up but yet are happy to cheer for a child killer. Thinking like yours is part of the problem, losers.
Lol este wey u the looser if you think we live in a fairytale land. Look at what's happening around the world open up ur eyes buddy. We live in a fuckrd up world what do u expect. Pinche plebe mocoso.
DeleteI can't see young dudes who've been struggling and striving to be somebody, just walk away and give the reins to these old cats. We saw what happened to the LFM founder by el americano's hand
ReplyDeleteEL American won't make it past this year just remember that.
DeleteThe thing is most of the young dudes now are all spoiled brats. They wouldn't keep up with an OG like Palma, he'd eat them for breakfast.
DeleteLa familia founder el americano killed was "el pollo"? But he was a chapulina that had gone with the CT and then AD.
Delete--were there others?
@10:43, unless you're going to personally kill him and he trusts you, you can't know that. Same shit been v said for a while now.
Delete@11:58 so you know every youngster in the game. Them old dudes got powerful during another era...and there's game youngsters with brains in every generation of criminals. That dude chapo isidro being a case in point.
Chapo Isidro is not that young, and is good at attacking enemies and government but not at running a cartel. Get real
Delete@12:19 how the hell do you know he cant run a cartel...and he's young be comparison to chapo, osiel, abrego, and caro quintero.
Deleteyou friggin BB posters suffer from a really bad case hubris (that means ya'll speak on things you know nothing about, and dont realize how stupid you sound, maybe even think you come off as smart)@ 1043, 1158,m and 12:19
r.i.p. guero palma... welcome back to hell
ReplyDeletePalma Salazar is probably going to work with beltranes, I don't think he would want to work around c hapos kids and how cds is snitching left and right. If he is trully a godfather he wouldn't want to have any ties with rats
ReplyDeleteGuero Palma is the one who got Chapo arrested back in 93 by tipping off the Guatamalan govt on orders from Amado Carillo. So learn your history before you talk bs.
DeleteOk, so he will go with beltranes then smart guy 1:26
DeleteYou are most definitely right @1:26,they were both a little jealous because the columbians were wanting to work exclusively with el chapo for his tunnel ideas. They began calling him el rapido because he was moving at least 2 tons of coke a day with no losses. El Chapo has long been a favorite of the Columbians and for those that think el chapo wasn't worth hundreds of millions back then dont know when he was arrested in Guatemala he left his brother 300 million to work with. El Chapo is the cream of the crop in the business
DeleteQuintet payan is tiny
ReplyDeletehttp://nypost.com/2016/03/26/coast-guard-navy-nab-ship-carrying-200m-of-cocaine-to-us/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow
ReplyDelete10:46 that will keep the US Navy afloat for 2 more years.
Delete--Looks like a pact...
El guero doesn't have anything left all his cash was stollen and what was left was used on lawyers and was forced to forfite cash to the us when he comes out either he will get killed or go into hiding like don Rafa and move In silence
ReplyDeleteEl huero palma, better leader than chapo, he will join Bertran leyva
ReplyDeleteHe's a palma Salazar he would never work with blo
DeleteGuero is CDS all the way. He worked side by side with Chapo for years at Puente Grande along with El Texas. The only reason Geuro is still alive today is because of Chapo. El Guero hates BLO just as much as Chapo.
DeleteAi idiotas como se va ir con los beltranes si su familia anda con el chapo i es compadre del chapin?
DeleteYa right join zetas and beltranes get a mental check palma i su familia 100 sinaloa
DeleteYes sir
DeleteAll are chinolas, but the BLO made out and got kissy kissy with los zetas y los CAFOS, los sobrinos de Miguel Angel Felix Gallardo, the guy that sent Clavel to murder his wife and children...
Delete--I don't think there is room for a friendship again there*
Off topic. Chapo and Caro quintero ordered anthrax and gente nueva to clean Chihuahua from zetas.. good luck they been trying to do that since the zetas were created.
ReplyDeleteThey also had "promised" to clean Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon, Veracruz, Zacatecas and Durango. The Zetas are still strong in those states.
DeleteThanks for the Intel, you must be on leave from the CIA.. lol
DeleteLol true lots of known cartel experts in comments or in their minds they think lol
Delete1:22 Pero que primero se limpien el fundillo.
DeleteLa reina del Sur
ReplyDeleteEs una madura mujer Hermosa
Yeah, blame it on the beer...
Delete--No cervezas, No trabaja.
Fuck no he won't, when CDS split in 2008 the BLO killed his brother.
ReplyDeleteAll those people coming out.. Cool, i'd find it wayyyy more interesting if Osiel Cardenas got out & back in the streets of Tamps..
ReplyDeleteDo you think El mata Amigos would come back to lead the cartel del gulfo and the zeta again
DeleteI don't think the old geezers have the time or the humor to go back and put their ass on the line with more drug cartel business, El Tisico would advise them not to..
DeleteThat Clavel guy sounds evil, and Palma had a right to be pissed. Just think, if the US just legalized drugs they'd fight over nothing.....
ReplyDelete@3:37 About the US legalizing drugs, amazingly some form of that may be closer than you think. I am working on a story now about the end of Prohibition (of drugs) may be in sight. Hope to have it up in the next few days.
DeleteReally. People may look back one day and wonder what the hell we were thinking. Drugs are still available, just at a premium which has empowered these criminal empires. Nobody kills people over the booze trade anymore because you can simply buy it wherever you want.
DeleteYeah, get embrutecido with alcohol, drugs, or sex addictions, legal, or for free, or on credit, nobody needs wise asses getting wiser and aware while sober and on their feet, world power depends on it
DeleteDo you really think you can have people of all ages who already can't even handle their pot or whatever they are addicted to *legally* running around your city piping crack cocaine and jacking up heroin whenever they feel the right or urge? OK weed is one thing but class-a drugs are class-a for a reason - simply that most people can't handle them and end up totally fucked up and addicted? People who say govnmt should legalise class-a's clearly have never been in close proximity to junkies on a day-to-day basis. I mean, it sounds good and happy as an idea but how could this kind of thing really work out long-term? I can laugh now, but from being in a night-shelter hostel for 4 months I just saw the banality and harshness of living like that. And people say legalising class a drungs would solve all this? just wondering if anyone has any junkie stories to tell... in case you need something to help you envision what i'm rambling about, liveleak's got a few examples just search "crackhead" etc.
Delete4:23 one story for you, the winos, and the crackheads are real visible, and give it a bad name with their bad look, but the ones that make the business of drug trafficking worthwhile, nobody knows them, but maybe their pusher and his handler, they all make good money, and are doctors, lawyers, accountants politicians and businessmen, because it gets lonely up there...
DeletePuro Mocorito Sinaloa, arriva la noria de abajo y Las tahonas compa palma
ReplyDeletethey will all have USA drone targets on them LOL...no doubt fed officials placed chips in them unknowingly LOL they will all be dead shortly after release God willing
ReplyDeleteDumbshits with their fantasies. I'm sure you're demise will come before Guero Palma's.
Delete7:11 if they can implant weapons with tracking devices "the size of a fly shit, why can't they implant people with dog tracking devices and locators?
Delete--Even ninja turtles know those are not fantasies.
7:11 go to school.
4:42 I want my chips with garlic butter...
DeleteWho knows, perhaps the USA implanted a tracking chip in their food and they will be secretly under surveillance in order to catch the others. Google
ReplyDeleteWhat type of tracking device does the U.S or anyone else have that you EAT but dont shit out afterwards? Please explain that part of the equation..also when you say who knows in the beginning of your 5:47 post it shows all you are not speaking based on any KNOWLEDGE you might have..That was just one of the sillier opinions if you ask me
DeleteThere was one old cat that ran things like a well oiled machine into his 70s and never went to prison! His name was carlo gambino and he lived like a lowkey grandfather but sure had his hands in a lot of cookie jars here in the u.s and elsewhere! He had enough sense to not fly high like a lot of the young ones! Thats what brought john gotti down! Too loud and flashy!
ReplyDeleteDont care about italians
DeleteYea, but he had no competition and if he did it was one cartel he had to worry about besides his own people. Now in Mexico there is too much competition, plus so know Italians did not like dealing with drugs much because they didnt lij e dealing with Colombians
Delete@8:15 p.m just sayin! Maybe the mexicans could learn a thing or two from the italians like how to run your business without all the hype and gore!
Delete8:52 You obviously know nothing about the Italians.
DeleteMoolooch needs the blood, people keep making babies, pigs keep making bacon, genocide has not been working, but is the only option available now, the grooms of death want to oblige, aunque los maten
Delete@9:30
Deletecarlo gambino had no competition??????
there were 4 other families just in NYC...all of which were very powerful in the 60s,70s,and 80s most of which time carlo was the Boss of Bosses... also joe bonanno who was the Boss of the bonanno family tried to kill gambino and a couple of other godfathers as well...at that time all 5 families were powerful and there was a lot of competition coming from every family.. The Chicago outfit is a powerful mob outfit and in the 60s 70s and 80s had no competition at all.. they ran everything in chicago.. also in new york at that time you had big time drug dealers who also had powerful factions.. like Nicky Barnes and Frank Lucas.. in new york at that time there was competition everywhere.. so get your facts straight 9:30
Santito Trafficante Jr sent his cuban girlfriend Carmen Guerra to Colombia, when castro and el che kicked batista and his american mobster friends out of cuba, even the Hilton closed, i'd say santito had businesses in Colombia by the early 50's.
DeletePedro infante for sinaloa and tin tan for cd juarez and the Lebanese mob...
Dd great details here. This kept my full attention. It really makes a person curious to know what the future holds now. One thing mentioned is there are young turks running things. The question is, "do these young turks have a bone to pick with either of these old skool traffickers?" If so, they are targets now. Especially if the cartel is keeping up to date with what is going on by reading BB. Too funny. Excellent update!
ReplyDeleteThat guy Clavel sounds like a real piece of sh*t. I think I'm pretty well informed about the old school players but I didn't know too much about him. Good stuff.
ReplyDeleteGoogle rafael clavel/images, and see for yourself how some women will fall for the smelliest POS as long as he looks like a proper POS.
Deletepura raza pesada de sinaloa and el guero palma knows how to work he aint gone star trouble el mayo zambada is waiting for him porque en sinaloa todos saben que el sol sale para todos
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What people have to understand when considering where his loyalty lies is that he wasn't leading his own organization within in CDS like El Mayo or El Azul. He and Chapo were partners who were the leaders of their own single organization. So unless he feels like Chapo somehow betrayed him or didn't take care of his family he will be loyal to Chapo's faction of the cartel, most likely in alliance with El Mayo (who both he and Chapo worked with before his arrest). Chapo and Guero worked together to build their own group, El Mayo was already a significant trafficker with his own group within the Guadalajara cartel, then after things split up, Chapo/Guero worked alonside El Mayo and also with El Azul and Amado Carillo (whom with Mayo was close with). Nobody objected to Chapo/Guero going after the Arellanos and although Mayo got fully involved later, originally they all just cut business ties the Tijuana cartel (especially after cardinal killing).
ReplyDeleteHere is a link to the 2008 killing of Guero's brother , Luis Valerio , in Guamuchil . A girl I knew in Monterrey at a university in the early 1990's was a relative of the Palmas . She now has residences in Delaware and in Barcelona , Spain . I can't see Hector doing anything other than going back to his roots .
ReplyDeletehttp://www.noroeste.com.mx/publicaciones.php?id=572547 Here is the link to the Mexican newspaper reporting the 2008 killing of Luis Valerio , the brother of Guero Palma .
ReplyDeleteA man with an abundance of learned patience, who could have packed his anger instead of taking advantage of therapeutic sessions offered in U.S. prisons, could be a transformed psychopath. In other words, the U.S. of A. could have created a psychopath, a disorder that is generally hereditary. Palmas may be able to organize Guzman's left behind mess, however some may be forgetting about CJNG among others in the mix, moving ahead with Sinaloa. The saying, "things get worse before better," may have truth to it after all. Sad. How many more innocents along with undoubtedly the drug dealers, who do mind their own business, will be taken out without a blink of an eye? Maybe Palmas will just live his life outside of that idea, no matter how tempting, enjoying his freedom
ReplyDeleteAfter the murder of Kiki camarena, miguel angel felix gallardo lived on the bajacalifornias and had a thriving business life until he got cogido, what led to the break up with el güero palma?
DeleteThis story and the story at the NYtimes link were both incredible.
ReplyDeleteThat is funny how jokers say this and that about the CDS, the Guadalajara cartel, yes called that name, but they were all from Sinaloa, the govt have them that name because they operated mainly out of there
ReplyDeleteAll the different sinaloan cartels, have been working for different chilango families from el DF and Sonoran politicians, chihuahueño politicians and golfas and everything, including afos, blo, cdg, zetas, even kaibiles are in the business...
DeleteNow it's cartel de jalisco and a michoacano runs the cartel now
Delete4:35 AND WHO RUNS EL MENCHO?
Delete--we all know behind every great man is a great woman, in the case of el mencho, it could be some elite zeta like epn, given the support in michoacan, jalisco, tijuas, cd juarez, trampaulipas, veracruz, guerrero, tanhuato...and that the .exican armed forces and the marinas, the navy and intelligence can't do anything against el mencho, because they are all tied up "investigating la kate" or killing innocent people "to present work"...
You run el Mencho honey.
DeleteChapos kids read BB and so do the rest of the narco juniors. En Sinaloa all they know is drugs nothing more. Snitching is something to be proud of there.
ReplyDeleteAnd how exactly would you know any of that? BS
DeleteThat's true lol
DeleteI know that they read BB because I come here for the comments just like you
DeleteDidn't Guero Palma snitch ? I thought he cut a deal with the Feds. Who the fuck would want his snitching a$$ around ? I remember watching the video when Mexico turned him over to the U.S. Feds, he couldn't stop trembling
ReplyDeleteHe was being interrogated, thats standard protocol.simple shit name, age,and occupation. However if you talk during the real questions, then you are a rat. Something tells me your breathing would get quite heavy if you were in that situation.
Deletesomeone had some great details about the wife getting killed in the forums. great read
ReplyDeleteHit that pipe dudeeeeee
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