tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post6794785248189040109..comments2024-03-29T04:35:56.287-06:00Comments on Borderland Beat: Should Mexican Cartels be labeled Terrorist Organizations?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-58862532493917792872017-12-24T10:20:38.522-07:002017-12-24T10:20:38.522-07:00It's about time we started arguing about the d...It's about time we started arguing about the definition of words!Big Ramificationshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17446357789369437100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-55257800804240914732011-02-13T15:27:18.097-07:002011-02-13T15:27:18.097-07:00believe me when i tell you because i am a criminal...believe me when i tell you because i am a criminal in usa who spent 8.5 years in prison between the age of 13-24 im now 35.<br /><br />the CIA/FBI have informants everywhere and i mean everywhere. they been waiting for this to happen for a long time what do you think will happen to MS-13 gangs in usa once these guys all labeled terrorists.<br /><br />also for years and years many druglords have laughed at USA because they safe in mexico but that will soon end as terrorists no where in the world will be safe for them.<br /><br />and you best believe when i tell you that just because the CIA/FBI cant "cross the border" dont mean they havent used the millions of informants they have to compile massive databases on each cartel<br /><br />here is a drugwar timeline it only goes up untill 2000 but very informative look at american side<br /><br />http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/cron/Swankanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-2782061589571094132011-02-13T10:40:27.989-07:002011-02-13T10:40:27.989-07:00cant wait for them to be labeled terrorist's a...cant wait for them to be labeled terrorist's anyone who says they aint works for them. not only are they killing people but the enviorment they set up allows for other groups to operate carjackings and stuff and the fact that zeta is training counter insergencey tactics proves they trying to defend what they consider thiers.<br /><br />some mexicans may take pride in the cartels thinking they are all powerful but in reality cartels are very weak. once they are labeled terrorists then they gonna fight a whole new class of soldiers. cartels have been trained yes but all they do is party. the real soldier that work counter terrorism train day after day and dont party at all and have dealed with many more power groups then these young cartels. pablo escobar was surely more powerful and so was bin laden or the groups that commit genocide in africa. mexican cartels have no clue what is coming for them.<br /><br />cartels powerful cause guns and fools who torture people but they have no air power. once they labeled terrorists there gonna be hell to paySwankanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-67361929220758372542011-01-19T04:20:03.919-07:002011-01-19T04:20:03.919-07:00Guero...I am impressed with your posts, much of wh...Guero...I am impressed with your posts, much of which I am in agreement. Each is well researched and fact based...love it.<br /><br />To All; cartels are in 43 countries laundering $ through legit businesses and banks, many of the countries have little oversight. We must stop thinking just in terms of US. Cartel business is a global affair, and now has taken over european drug markets from Colombia, in additiona to their many investments, and washing of funds.<br /><br />here is a link to a perfume company ( LA AZ TX) busted for laundering money through their biz for Sinaloa...<br /><br />http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/01/19/2011-01-19_nab_perfumer_in_drug_loot_stink.html?r=newsBuelanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-56665794566431575552011-01-18T19:06:44.985-07:002011-01-18T19:06:44.985-07:00@ guero
You made your point. I look forward to r...@ guero<br /><br /><br />You made your point. I look forward to reading more of your comments.JBLAZEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00743447589981240553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-55049802402074367462011-01-18T19:02:35.043-07:002011-01-18T19:02:35.043-07:00Urn 1
Sorry, you are the weirdo, focusing on the ...Urn 1<br /><br />Sorry, you are the weirdo, focusing on the names people use...saying one is trying to confuse people, as if anyone could become confused, it only takes a paragraph. And this "Just a Girl" why in the world would that bother anyone? only you. <br /><br />I have NO IDEA what the heck your last paragraph means...and I would like to keep it that way. in your case...LESS IS BETTER,,,NONE IS BESTHussynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-31267966366549595482011-01-18T13:57:45.895-07:002011-01-18T13:57:45.895-07:00Buela, you are a strange 'girl' to be cal...Buela, you are a strange 'girl' to be calling others 'sissies' and 'asses'. I'm surprised that you can find time from doing all that 'humanitarian' work of yours, that you tell us constantly you are constantly engaged in, to take aim at me out of the clear blue sky once again? Oh, Mama, they need you back at the Goodie Two Shoes farm once again, don't they? <br /><br />I guess it's just rankles you yokels that I am about the only consistent BB poster that will tell people that it is a bad idea to allow the US government to classify cartel members as terrorists? Boo-hoo-hoo, You Right Wing duds. Is there any war that you all won't get all hard ons about in cheering for? And Ernest1 won't let you do your circle yank all in peace? <br /><br />Ernest1E1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-81680004557847896422011-01-18T11:40:41.400-07:002011-01-18T11:40:41.400-07:00whoa ..burn urny..ouch!!!!
hey just a girl... s...whoa ..burn urny..ouch!!!!<br /><br /><br />hey just a girl... second dat..don't become an any mouse ...we gotta 'nuff uvem already"L"Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-64458588263454965892011-01-18T09:50:25.452-07:002011-01-18T09:50:25.452-07:00@ just a girl...
Ernest is an ass. do not pay att...@ just a girl...<br />Ernest is an ass. do not pay attention to him. I got the No Doubt connection, I am a fan being she is a hometown girl to boot.<br /><br />actually I am of the thought that ernest 1 is a female. just a feeling, he is a sissy of sortsBuelanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-50440800382482189992011-01-18T08:47:51.078-07:002011-01-18T08:47:51.078-07:00@ guero y Ajulio
i am sure you guys have seen al...@ guero y Ajulio<br /><br />i am sure you guys have seen all this ...but this is still a good chart<br /><br /><br />http://www.zimbio.com/David+de+Rothschild/articles/6/Wo+Owns+Federal+Reserve+Rothschilds+Bank+England"L"Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-7206608547171111322011-01-17T22:34:47.988-07:002011-01-17T22:34:47.988-07:00YESSS!!!!
now we are on to something...getting cl...YESSS!!!!<br /><br />now we are on to something...getting close to the bone ...now to identify who owns these banks...and what banks own them...can we trace it all the way back to the cite of london and the bank of England...listen for the clink of the coins behind the veil...<br /><br />my little theory is that this whole thing is a takeover consolidation of the drug business by the big international players ..a la Panama/Colombia..Afghanistan...the asian "golden triangle"<br /><br /><br />and the banks have to be complicit someway or another ,,,maybe even the lower rank banks and bankers have no knowledge of it and are just dupes ...but i would bet that at the higher levels ...they are in full cahoots<br /><br />remember that part in the movie Scarface ..when he was talking with this banker about how to launder the money, and he says the bankers are the real crooks...uhuh...the truth revealed''lito'britonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-83424961486990397732011-01-17T22:30:10.864-07:002011-01-17T22:30:10.864-07:00@ ajulio
Thanks for the civil response to my rant...@ ajulio<br /><br />Thanks for the civil response to my rant.<br /><br />My assertion was not that the politicians are paid directly but let me assure you I have dealt with enough of them to know that a fat donation goes a long way towards winning a person or group favor. If you want to speak to one about a concern you simply buy a $1000 ticket to a fundraising dinner, if you want real favors you donate much more. The following spells it out: "D. Nixon is chair of International Bancshares Corp., parent of the International Bank of Commerce (IBC), which has 90 branches with assets of more than $4.5 billion. Nixon is a former president of the Laredo Chamber of Commerce and sat on George W. Bush’s Governor’s Business Council. Nixon raised $300, 000 for Bush’s 1998 gubernatorial campaign in a single event. IBC has extensive business with Mexican banks, businesses and maquiladora assembly plants and Nixon was a major proponent of the North American Free Trade Agreement. Pioneer Tony Sanchez is an IBC co-founder and its top investor. Sanchez also founded Tesoro Savings & Loan, which was implicated in the laundering of $25 million in Mexican drug money before it failed in 1988 at a federal cost of $161 million. IBC was one of the banks that lobbied Congress in 2000 to defeat a post-September-11th bill to discourage money laundering." <br /><br />Now why the feds arent up these guys asses with a magnifying glass is beyond me, but then again it could be that they are friends with all the right people and spread their money around to those who do their bidding. Consider that members of Congress make about $174,000 a year, that is chump change compard to the money flying around behind the scenes. <br /><br />A couple years back I served on the board of diectors for a certain group, we wanted some federal laws changed and contacted a lobby firm in DC to discuss the matter. We spoke to a former politician from Texas and he said give me a few days to check it out on "The Hill", he called back in a few days and said "We can get it done for $250,000", he was that blunt about it, no maybe no wavering he said it would be done just like that. The money goes to the lobby firm, they take their fee then they make contributions to key members of congress who head certain committees and can gain support/favor from their fellow members of congress, of course the ranking members usually lead the newbies along and they go with the flow. The contributions are spread out through political action groups so as to make it look like several seperate donations that are not connected. That my friend is how you get things done in DC! <br /><br />One more thing, the folks in DC make more money from illegal drugs than they would legalizing them. Hell, the private prison system is but one example of that money trail. We would have lots of half full private prisons if drugs were legalized and that would not please the prison owning friends of many politicians who get their funding from the feds. That is a whole other discussion.Gueronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-26671217222708545392011-01-17T17:47:57.154-07:002011-01-17T17:47:57.154-07:00@ Layla 2
yea its a show that these banks haven&#...@ Layla 2<br /><br />yea its a show that these banks haven't been called out. But what else can we expect?<br /><br />Personally I've always thought there HAS to be some collusion between organized crime and the banking system. Its simply impossible to sleep on a pile of money that big. you have to stash it somewhere (or bury it in a treasure chest like you are a goddamn pirate).<br /><br /> In any case, we re-posted a story by the San Antonio Express News about this very subject (includes mainstream content that blurbs about Wells Fargo and Bank of America in the linked vids). Worth taking a look at.<br /><br /> http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2010/09/banks-not-paying-price-of-role-in-drug.htmlSmurfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01405158440694459062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-63943874381951612032011-01-17T17:19:42.230-07:002011-01-17T17:19:42.230-07:00Wells Fargo has already been caught laundrying mon...Wells Fargo has already been caught laundrying money...<br /><br />The info is out there, as citizens of US we need to seek it out and get it in print. That may put a stop to some of the illegal actions going on over here...<br /><br />Most banks are honest though, and teach their employees how to watch for $laundrying...<br /><br />Don't forget, we have a system of checks and balances in the US...Americans need to get more involved with the checking and balancing...Kari Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01301038700247894004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-12798153620646154122011-01-17T15:37:03.371-07:002011-01-17T15:37:03.371-07:00@ lito brito
lol guero for pres... and ernest uno...@ lito brito<br /><br />lol guero for pres... and ernest uno for vice president jaja J/K<br /><br />the most notorious of the powerful banks is goldman sachs. they are known in the industry for being named "the wall street gangstas". and for good reason too.JBLAZEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00743447589981240553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-76122825447398866712011-01-17T15:16:31.285-07:002011-01-17T15:16:31.285-07:00@ guero
i'm not contradicting your comments. ...@ guero<br /><br />i'm not contradicting your comments. of course what you said was true. we all know that somehow drug money gets laundered into the united states through our banks, real estate, and legitimate business. but if the united states government really wanted to make a bigger investment in the drug business, all they would have to do is legalize drugs and make real profits by taxing the drugs. as far as drugs is concerned, pharmaceuticals is where the money is at.<br /><br />i just feel different about your theory that the mexican cartels have possibly infiltrated into our government by using their money and the bank's power to pursuade the politicians and the U.S. government to turn a blind eye or possibly even accepting pay-offs to keep drugs illegal and then keeping it hush-hush for the sake of winning an election(let's not forget that it was also the young voters that played a key part in obama's election win). i don't fully believe in that conspiracy theory. <br /><br />but i do agree that the banks and rich corporations do have the power to persuade the outcome of an election win. george dubya's fake election win is a perfect example of that. it is the big corporations and banks that run this country; bank of america being the largest which made in consolidated assests a whopping amount of $2,340,667,014 as of march, 2010. WTF! and they say we're close to experiencing a double-dip recession? the banks would be fine without el chapo guzman(he made #937 in 2010). he does'nt even come close to making the forbes top ten list. and you think that los zetas are going to have any power to influence anyone in the U.S. who has power? <br /><br />it's the tycoons, C.E.O.'s, and stock brokers that have all the power and control the U.S.<br /><br />if mexico really wants help all they have to do is "holla" at the U.S. and we will assist them but then that would mean that the mexican government would have to change their corrupt ways and i don't think that they are ready to do that yet. there is still too much money to be made.JBLAZEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00743447589981240553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-78482797035375008302011-01-17T13:49:34.905-07:002011-01-17T13:49:34.905-07:00guero for pres...
good stuff man
yeap the guys g...guero for pres...<br /><br />good stuff man<br /><br />yeap the guys getting chopped up are not the real fish ..just minnows.. none of the real crooks are walking the desert with a backpack full..or swimming the river..thats for sure...funny i was just thinking bout IBC the other day..international bank of commerce...if there ever was a suspicious bank that is it ..even the name smacks of shady dealings<br /><br /><br />never forget that calderon y PAN was the favorite of the bush admin...and look what is really happening here ..just thinning the herd ..kicking some asses into line...but the drug traffic has not really slowed down..and what happens to ALL the money that gets confiscated...still no real attempt by Mexico or the USA to really secure the border area..if you have ever been around the frontera chica area ..you know what a joke it is..it is wide open....PAN smacks the, what looks to be remaining two main players into line..PAN stays in power...and Washington is happy...it settles down and the beat goes on....too much dinero to actually stop the flow''lito'britonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-68699017471589946922011-01-17T13:13:11.753-07:002011-01-17T13:13:11.753-07:00I would ecourage anyone who does not believe that ...I would ecourage anyone who does not believe that large banks and corporations are not relevant to the narco trade to do some research, start with IBC bank. They also own an aviation company as well as real estate holdings and certain people in the organisation are tied to many who have questionable backgrounds at best. And as someone else mentioned Wells Fargo and others were found to be involved in money laundering as well and were handed heavy fines by the government, of course that was before the banking bail outs. It is no secret that the folks at IBC are closely tied to some of the most powerful people in Mexico and serve together on the boards of several trade organisations, they make the deals that serve their interests...if you are going to launder money you need a banker, it is even better if they own planes and companies in the real estate sector. Then there is the fact that D. Nixon has made huge political contributions to the republican party and was chair of John McCains campaign in Texas.<br /><br />I have found sources that claim the cash goes south to a cambio exchange then gets wired back to "certain" banks, gets moved a couple more times then it is clean. Some of it may even be invested in real estate in places like San Antonio or along the border, the dots are easy to connect if you dig deep enough. It is amazing what you can find on a county tax appraisal website. <br /><br />Maybe this will help give an idea of how the connections work, or have worked in the past.<br />http://www.elandar.com/bush/amigos.html<br /><br />IBC and their friend C. Foster (former Eagle Pass mayor and Real Estate Broker) can be traced back directly to the FORMER governor of Coahuila who also happens to own several very expensive homes in Texas and Vail Colorado. I say former because he recently resigned in order to persue a much more powerful position in the PRI party. Here is the story on that. http://www.thenews.com.mx/index.php/mexico/m02-5373.htm<br /><br />It is my feeling that not all of the criminals tote machine guns and drive around in stolen suburbans, some wear 3 piece suits and walk freely among us daily. Some even donate to charities and pretend to serve their communities in order to disguise their involvement in nefarious acts.<br /><br />Some of these people have had their lawyers shoot out letters threatening people who have written about them and thier alleged misdeeds in an attempt to keep things quiet. I know it happened a while back when some planes related to IBC were discovered to have been involved in the narco trade, in the end those records were sealed. <br /><br />While we stand around and try to label each other "dirty teabaggers" or "whiny liberals" our leaders are ignoring serious problems. Beneath the rhetoric lies a number of problems that need to be dealt with, and until we stop the polarizing behavior we will not be able to hold our elected officials accountable. We live in a time where he who makes the largest campaign contribution wins the most favor.Gueronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-21281717478186617392011-01-17T11:18:22.199-07:002011-01-17T11:18:22.199-07:00I would put a bounty on their heads...I would put a bounty on their heads...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-59895921249056425472011-01-17T08:21:29.225-07:002011-01-17T08:21:29.225-07:00Locate the money and seize it and the war will be ...Locate the money and seize it and the war will be half over.Jerrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-41144354425277645092011-01-17T04:00:54.721-07:002011-01-17T04:00:54.721-07:00@ ernest uno
picking on another female? first a w...@ ernest uno<br /><br />picking on another female? first a woman, now just a girl. shame on you urny!JBLAZEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00743447589981240553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-17402277015792787022011-01-17T03:51:43.828-07:002011-01-17T03:51:43.828-07:00w'sup ernest uno? where have you been?
someti...w'sup ernest uno? where have you been?<br /><br />sometimes i have the tendency to enter a discussion late. i like to read everyone's comments first and then come up with my own theory. i even read urny's radical opinions about fictitious conspiracies. i've read many great comments by anonymous writers and i just don't understand why you don't come out? especially the ones who criticize. if you have problems signing in, then just put a name at the bottom of your comment the way good ol' urny does. don't be scared to reveal yourself a little. <br /><br />should mexican cartels be labeled terrorist organizations?<br /><br />well if your a mexican, yes<br />but if your an american, no<br /><br />they are not a terrorist threat to the U.S. until they make a deliberate attack which they have'nt and won't. they know better. it would dangerously interfere with their drug trafficking. and the U.S. cannot invade mexico unless we are seriously and directly attacked or asked by the mexican government to help. look what happened with the miami drug wars in the 70's and 80's. those latin gangs posed a terrorist threat towards the citizens. and what did the U.S. government do to the miami cartels who were having bloody shootouts all over miami's streets, even in a miami mall, and began to enforce control of the city? the U.S. government squashed them. after that peace ensued. (the miami drug wars inspired the movie scarface and the t.v. show miami vice). the shooting on falcon lake even caused friction within the zetas organization. so neither the U.S. nor the cartels want to go to war becuase it would cause collateral damage, not to mention, it would cost both the mexican cartels and the united states mafia billions of dollars(oh no!).<br /><br />so what can the U.S. do to maintain it's own security? protect it's side of the border with an ineffective billion dollar fence that covers only parts of california, arizona, and texas. and creating immigration laws to control the mexican population and to regulate mexican criminality in the U.S. and also give mexico money, equipment, arms, information, and training(including torture training) through the merida initiative. <br /><br />and what will the mexican government do? they will do what they've always done throughout history and that's TAKE. they will keep taking from the U.S. government. so i don't believe that this is colonialism. both countries use each other.<br /><br />as far as the U.S. government trying to make money off of this drug war. i don't believe this. i think that this war is costly for the U.S.. and as far as the U.S. making money off the drugs themselves. i think the U.S. has chosen to make it's money off of pharmaceuticals(the legal drugs). street drugs are too petty for american corporations to make money from.<br /><br />if the mexican government just asked for help, the U.S. could assist mexico with it's border cities and mexico could focus more on it's southern states. but of course this will never happen becuase the mexican government's tendency to lean towards machismo and mexican pride. if mexico openly asked for help, i believe that the U.S. would assist.<br /><br />so meanwhile, drugs and people will continue to flow north and guns and money will continue to flow south. <br /><br />mexico is most to blame for it's own problems.JBLAZEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00743447589981240553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-30567306649936040882011-01-16T23:21:15.478-07:002011-01-16T23:21:15.478-07:00Yes, they are terrorists, plain and simple. I hunt...Yes, they are terrorists, plain and simple. I hunted terrorists in Iraq, Kuwait and Qatar and if I am ever given the chance , I would GLADLY hunt the narco-terrorists down. I would treat you like the swine you are and afford no quarter. Your day is coming Chapo, y Diego (Juarez) and all you other people that are spineless, weak and hide behind your shell pig of a government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-67116635356795434732011-01-16T23:18:31.437-07:002011-01-16T23:18:31.437-07:00Sorry. Couldn't help myself! Just funning yo...Sorry. Couldn't help myself! Just funning you, E1!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-56692361959684845132011-01-16T23:11:08.735-07:002011-01-16T23:11:08.735-07:00Unfortunately, to add to all the game playing at B...Unfortunately, to add to all the game playing at BB with false identities, somebody (a cyber-turkey perhaps?) has just falsely posted in my name at 10:08 as they go on to then call me a 'cyber-bully'. It's a shame to see a site trashed out in this manner by idiots acting up like so many Right Wing twerps are so prone to do. If anybody is a cyber-bully it is somebody who falsely posts in somebody else's name that is being such. <br /><br />And in answer to that other person who asked me several questions on this thread here...<br /><br />'@E1 How do you get the idea that the USA is overly militarized? And, also how do you get the idea that big corporations run the government.'<br /><br />Answer #1- By the fact that the Pentagon has about 800 bases overseas, and that the US government outspends what all other countries added up together do on their militaries. That's how I get the opinion that the US is over militarized. Not really hard to come to that conclusion. PLUS, every town I seem to have lived in has bases all around it, military planes flying around in circles, and war production industries abounding.<br /><br />And Answer #2 is that I get the idea that corporations run the government simply because that's where both parties in our rather undemocratic system get their money mainly from. Can anybody really still deny that both parties are bought by the big corporations these days? Kind of hard to believe it????<br /><br />And now to reply to another Anonymous, the one posting at 9:11 pm tonight....<br /><br />'Anonymous said...<br />Brito, Ernest, and Buela please stop hogging this site. Don't you all have a life?'<br /><br />Sir Anonymous, my interest is held in this site having just heard on the telephone tonight that the second person in my wife's small town of about 100 folk in Tamaulipas has just been hauled away for good by cartel members or non-uniformed Mexican soldiers the day before yesterday. That's called being 'disappeared', Dude. See how it might make one interested in getting AnonyMoes like yourself better informed than they evidently are?<br /><br />Ernest1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com