tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post6640095512110933863..comments2024-03-28T22:50:16.999-06:00Comments on Borderland Beat: Remains Found Presumably of American Harry Devert Missing in MichoacánUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger104125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-33111637174348017402018-03-14T07:25:53.488-06:002018-03-14T07:25:53.488-06:0014 reveals which states offer anonymous HIV testin...14 reveals which states offer anonymous HIV testing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-22537832424962160752014-07-30T16:10:22.633-06:002014-07-30T16:10:22.633-06:00Los. Zetas didnt. Kill him it was caro quintero an...Los. Zetas didnt. Kill him it was caro quintero and his people. That tortured. Him and then killed. Him get your Facts straightAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-46696274325097200132014-07-25T11:51:30.162-06:002014-07-25T11:51:30.162-06:00Hi Chivis, do you have anything else to report ab...Hi Chivis, do you have anything else to report about Harry's case? I've read everyone's comment here and am just not at peace and I want to hear everything about it. It's have been thinking about Harry and Ann everyday. I know you mentioned that you want to wait for Ann to get back to the States first before you write anymore, just wondering when that will be? Will be patiently waiting. <br /><br />RIP Harry. God gives his hardest battles to his strongest soldiers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-87787930580325893162014-07-22T09:53:26.087-06:002014-07-22T09:53:26.087-06:00This is tragic on many levels. Harry was (apparen...This is tragic on many levels. Harry was (apparently) a victim, and what (apparently) happened to him is despicable and unjustifiable. There is, however, another victim in this - Ann and Harry's close family. How so? NOONE - not a citizen or the criminals or the government or the law enforcement agencies - has been forthright. That is a second sin, a second crime. I propose to all Americans - do not go to Mexico. Doing so funds the tourism trade and the cartels and the corruption that exists. Vacation and enjoy God's beauty elsewhere. To Chivis: keep reporting, please!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-13713351241378268232014-07-22T00:16:01.308-06:002014-07-22T00:16:01.308-06:00I'm with you. I'm patiently waiting for Ch...I'm with you. I'm patiently waiting for Chivas to cover this. We also have to keep in mind that he or she has formed a friendship with Harry's mother. I believe Chivis will have to find a balance when writing on this when that time comes. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-88447280184005477902014-07-21T14:26:00.354-06:002014-07-21T14:26:00.354-06:00July 20, 6:17 AM. I couldn't agree more with y...July 20, 6:17 AM. I couldn't agree more with your point of view. Chivis ,please keep us informed on the topic as soon as you can , because Mexican press is misleading. I admire your courage , your inquisitive mind and your solidarity.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-75141658318969208872014-07-20T06:17:09.770-06:002014-07-20T06:17:09.770-06:00I spent lots of time in the 1990’s travelling the ...I spent lots of time in the 1990’s travelling the rural roads of northern Mexico on a motorcycle with friends from Monterrey. The key to returning safely from out of the way places was then and still is to establish contacts in advance with like minded locals. Go where they go. Do what they do. Stay where they stay. However, many of the American adventure travelers I encountered in Mexico were loners who seemed to prize spontaneity and personal autonomy above all else. Most of my Mexican friends who travel to remote places take a contrary approach for reasons clearly illustrated by Mr Dement’s unfortunate experience.<br />Mexico is a weird and wonderful place, alternately savage and sublime which is probably why it has always attracted risk takers and adventure seekers bored by more pedestrian climes. There is a feeling among intrepid travelers that anything can happen in Mexico and not surprisingly “anything” does happen to a few of them. <br />The Sierra Madre Occidental has been a refuge for revolutionaries and reprobates for time out of mind. More or less unmolested travel in rural Guerrero and Michoacan in the 1960’s, 70’s and 80’s was an interlude enforced by the national government in support of tourist development along the coast and not the normal state of things. The pendulum has swung back toward governmental fragmentation and rule by local strongmen. Safe travel in these areas is again at the sufferance of local bosses be they narcotraficantes or anti-narcotraficante vigilantes or local paramilitary police. <br />Harry Devert and others before him are likely to have been betrayed by the very characteristics the American public admire most in adventure travelers and extreme athletes; individualism, self reliance, single mindedness and the ability to communicate an inspiring story. Travelling alone and driven by an unjustified confidence in their ability to master any situation and win over any doubter they occasionally ride straight into the maw of a routine, almost indifferent malevolence. Whether Mr Devert’s killers work for a narcotraficante, a vigilante group, a local police commander or a small time crime boss the calculation is the same: better to routinely dispose of a mysterious trespasser whose reasons for appearing on our turf are unclear than to later explain to our boss why we let an interloper pass through thereby putting ourselves and our own families at risk. Mr Devert’s demise may be as simply and sadly explained as that. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-42579572509827350532014-07-19T23:46:33.490-06:002014-07-19T23:46:33.490-06:00I'm patiently waiting for you to write further...I'm patiently waiting for you to write further on this. I always look forward to reading you informative blogs. Keep up the good work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-79142860065871642822014-07-18T19:48:11.265-06:002014-07-18T19:48:11.265-06:00The Authorities are able to say its him without kn...The Authorities are able to say its him without knowing the DNA results because the KNOW its him....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-19846988916703303422014-07-18T14:14:50.933-06:002014-07-18T14:14:50.933-06:00The remains were sent to DF as well as the case fo...The remains were sent to DF as well as the case for testing that PGR said would take one month. Don't believe Mexico BS press. <br />The remains only arrived 2 days ago.<br />But US is also testing and they said it would take only 1 week so it should be soon.<br /><br />There is much to write about, but I have elected not to until Ann is out of Mexico. It should not be long.<br /><br />Keep her in your thoughts, this is a horrible time for her as one can imagine. and I will only say the authorities are rotten to the core, and heartless.<br /><br />Paz<br />C<br /><br />Chivishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09608632774393266701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-63136014764059763942014-07-18T10:27:39.302-06:002014-07-18T10:27:39.302-06:00Chivis , I'm kind of confused .Though the Mexi...Chivis , I'm kind of confused .Though the Mexican press gave the official announcment referring to the identification of Harry,s remains through DNA studies , in his page there are some persons saying the studies are not done and that it will take minimum 2 weeks to get the results. Even though ,I understand that the all the possibilities of finding him alive , were few , I don,t understand the difference between the given information . I shouldn't be surprised because this is Mexico , but I am.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-21142646622815715742014-07-17T20:07:38.100-06:002014-07-17T20:07:38.100-06:00This message is to Ann Harry's mother may God ...This message is to Ann Harry's mother may God bless you and continue to give you strength you might ask why was your only son taken from you I might ask that seeing that I too am an only child I'm in my 40's with my mother in my life as well. My father passed my grand parents passed my mother is the only immediate member left I don't mean to bring you more grief I just know that my mom would do the same for me as well as I would do for her to great lengths not caring about our own safety just remember Harry loved to travel and traveled thru different cultures who would have ever thought the worst would occur. In life we have so many questions as to why things occur and we will not always have the answers . I personally will continue to pray for you Ann and all the parents in Mexico and around the world that have gone thru or continue to go thru these tragedies and not finding their loved ones who go missing for years and not found. Bring Harry home and once again may God bless you and may peace with you and your family. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-7485104978027962562014-07-16T14:15:34.215-06:002014-07-16T14:15:34.215-06:00So so sorry for Anne, this is not what she was hop...So so sorry for Anne, this is not what she was hoping for in the end. I am sure she had kept an open-mind about the worst thing that could have happened to him, yet hoping always for the very best...that's what moms do.Some of the messages posted on the links, people can be so cruel and mean.Harry, for whatever his reasoning was...was determined to make this trip, like so many others before.That was his right, that was his passion! We don't always understand why some people do the things they do..that's just life in a nutshell.Harry seemed to have loved traveling and meeting others of different cultures, it took real balls to do what he done.Instead of being welcomed to an unfamiliar place, he was killed and buried along with his bike! being a stranger in a strange land, doesn't mean you're there to cause trouble or harm to the peoples.I am quit sure, he would have welcomed those same people who killed him, had they visited his town in USA.For those who say he had no damn business in Mexico, i say to them...that was his choice, his call.we all make bad choices in life, sometimes we can't always go back and "fix' them.His decision to travel, see things only a traveler could see, is a dream of many, but accomplished by very few.I am glad that fear didn't hold him back from his dream of traveling.it does show, however the very importance of using good judgment.there are many many places in the good ol USA that i would never go to.I do wish Harry had maybe chosen another path.Sometimes we get a little over confident,laid back with our reasoning and assume nothing bad will happen, but that wasn't the case here.Harry needing an 'escort' to the town he was headed shows the significance of the crisis where he was.Now, we can only hope that his life will be a learning experience for those who love to travel as he did. Making tracks through Mexico sounds wonderful, the people, places and the food of course...we cannot forget the violence.Maybe Harrys eyes were full of such wonderful things, he couldn't see the ugly for the beauty.RIP ... and hoping those who done this are found very soon!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-2153981500626979872014-07-15T23:53:43.622-06:002014-07-15T23:53:43.622-06:00My condolences to Ann and the entire family. My c...My condolences to Ann and the entire family. My condolences to all who have lost innocent loved ones to this senseless violence. I can not blame Harry for wanting to ride through Mexico, it calls to me also. I am so sad for the Mexican people that this is happening to their beautiful country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-12903590345539853482014-07-15T21:30:52.980-06:002014-07-15T21:30:52.980-06:007:57
Be patient, I need to wait to write about it....7:57<br />Be patient, I need to wait to write about it....It will self explain later....<br /><br />Paz<br />chivísChivishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09608632774393266701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-42341744859477594062014-07-15T19:57:38.018-06:002014-07-15T19:57:38.018-06:00Chivis, what happened?! Chivis, what happened?! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-48646190485056670692014-07-15T02:43:48.666-06:002014-07-15T02:43:48.666-06:00It's the legality, not the drugs. It's th...It's the legality, not the drugs. It's the denial of a right or privilege as in prohibition, violence develops when you try to control what the masses consume.Drugs do kill but the most comon killers are those legal drugs like aspirin, alcohol, and tobacco are among the deadliest. Aspirin, by itself kills more people than all illegal drugs together combined. So this is not about health, or morals. It's clearly about money and power. Sometimes the people who want substances controlled stand to gain more than those who want legalization. El Chapo recently thanked the past US presidents for keeping drugs illegal. Otherwise, he could not have made his billions of Dollars. Even police departments get their funding from their seizures. Which it why they like to focus on the money coming south into México. And that's why rapist and serial killers are not caught as often as people smoking grass. It's easier to sniff out pot, than it is to figure out a murder. White people have fear. That fear explains their behavior. People try to take control when they fear, and this helps rationalize their actions. I've seen plenty of blue eyed devils sucking on a crack pipe, and other things to get a hit of that dope. They just love meth and heroin, and they'll live in the gutter so long as they can keep up the lifestyle. I don't see whites in power. They lost the presidency to the greatest nation on earth. Africans created the first city and gold based economy in Timbuktu. An economy in which you consider yourself successful, was actually created by black people, some of them have blue eyes also. Because you share a common ancestors. We are all the same the only inferiority is believing you are better than another human being. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-29892898414568163822014-07-14T21:42:29.622-06:002014-07-14T21:42:29.622-06:00The link to the aca news link did not get everythi...The link to the aca news link did not get everything right, but seems to be a typical scenario on both sides the border but especially Mex.<br /><br />I haven't wanted to write about Ann until I know she is further along in the process of Identification. <br /><br />She is in Mexico. the remains were sent to DF. at least that was the plan this AM. they "were ready" also the bike was going.<br /><br />I have much to say, but I want Ann to be safe and done with her work.<br /><br />I continue to be amazed at her drive. As a parent we think we would be and do likewise, but I have heard from more families than I care to remember when love ones have disappeared. None have gone to the lengths that Ann has, and continues to do. All children should be blessed with an extraordinary mother like Ann.<br /><br />Yes, it is her wish to see the remains. <br />Chivishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09608632774393266701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-36697594717351801612014-07-14T16:36:49.393-06:002014-07-14T16:36:49.393-06:00A lot of folks have just disappeared in Mexico bec...A lot of folks have just disappeared in Mexico because of the high paranoia of the narcos -- it they don´t know you, and you show up unexpectedly in their terrtiory, you are a goner. Harry was found in an área only a stone´s throw from La Unión, a mafia rats nest I once read was La Tuta´s home town. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-57121316094266177542014-07-14T07:09:14.245-06:002014-07-14T07:09:14.245-06:00the world is a dangerous place and especially big ...the world is a dangerous place and especially big government--I found that if one needs help in Mexico ask the Canadian embassy---the Americans are worthless---!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-70868322503387716712014-07-14T06:38:06.236-06:002014-07-14T06:38:06.236-06:00Say what you will about either of those two argume...Say what you will about either of those two arguments, neither gets you anywhere. The real argument is that el PRI needs to stay in power long enough to restore the natural order of corruption that has plagued Mexico since the 30's but with no violence to the innocent and uninvolved; dope and contraband were sold for decades under el pri's control without harm to anyone, except those involved and few mistaken disputes. And then some idiot had to go and fucking stir up the hornets nest, trying to be a fucking hero and made the situation the total shit storm it is today, nationwide... Mexico is forever fucked with the cancer that is corruption, at least let it be a peaceful corruption, the way it was before with dope and contraband being sold but peacefully, along with when white boys could roam the entire country without ending up like this poor fella, and the native citizenry could enjoy their beautiful country without fear of personal safety. Not to sound defeatist but that's the only argument that should be made concerning my Mexico and it's current state of affairs. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-8632272306452142282014-07-14T01:25:51.085-06:002014-07-14T01:25:51.085-06:00“Peace is not the product of terror or fear.
Peace...“Peace is not the product of terror or fear.<br />Peace is not the silence of cemeteries.<br />Peace is not the silent result of violent repression.<br />Peace is the generous,<br />tranquil contribution of all<br />to the good of all.<br />Peace is dynamism.<br />Peace is generosity.<br />It is right and it is duty.<br /><br />” <br />― Oscar A. Romero<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-11218572054269003682014-07-14T01:22:37.484-06:002014-07-14T01:22:37.484-06:00ann did her job, she found her son, but i am sure ...ann did her job, she found her son, but i am sure she would like to prevent other women's children from meeting the same end her son did.<br />--regarding who is to blame, not all americans are addicted or benefit from drug trafficking, just like not all mexicans are drug addicted traffickers or murderous narco-sicarios.<br />--if you pay attention, you can see who gets all the money all the time, rich multibillionaire american and european entrepreneurs, with chinese connections, and all kinds of corrupt corporations, always privatizing another chunk of a billion dollars' worth of contracts from the US government, obama is demanding 4 billion dollars to work on the problem of the minor foreigners immigrating into the US, about 50 000, which will bring about $80 000.00 per child to the pockets of the businesses, (because it's all gotta be business) handing the privatization of the above mentioned money, thereby making money ontop of money, because the border patrol and US vigilantes are too busy chasing children into and inside the shelters to chase drug traffickers, who may be armed and shoot back...<br />--before this latest attempt at swindling and bamboozling the american public, they were gotten with the mayan jaguar operation, american planes connected to the CIA were caught or crash landed on the yucatn peninsula, with tons of cocaine, which was promptly expropriated by genaro barcia luna and who got on top of it a billion dollars and a half to shut the fuck up, "for mexico", "to help mexico", "to fight drug trafficking", and other mamadas like that, money that ended up in the pockets of genaro garcia luna and his friends and other american middlemen, money some BB commenters still cry about and talking about the ungrateful mexicans...<br />--the main thing to take care about is the economic incentive too many people have to cause problems for the US that only they can solve, previous approvall of the necessary "funds", saying "gimme all the money, or i"ll be back"...<br />--my apologies to the bleeding heart apostles of private enterprise, i am all for private enterprise, but i am all against corporate welfare, do not join the protest bus of corporate welfare parasites, who take 90% more money than the clients of the US welfare system out of the loans the US government takes from china to capitalize their way of life...<br />--maaan, i feel like i own the US corporate welfare capitalistas just by talking about them thanks BB!!! i hope you can post this...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-88375105005014055862014-07-13T23:16:56.504-06:002014-07-13T23:16:56.504-06:00I competely agree with you! The Border Patrol offi...I competely agree with you! The Border Patrol officers are much worse! In the San Ysidro Border a few years ago a border patrol agent shot and killed two kids that were on the Mexican side for throwing a rock at the officer. The kids were about 9. The rock didn't hit the Border Patrol agent, & the BP casually shot back. If some white kids had thrown a rock at a lets say Police Officer and the Police officer shot back believe me YOU WOULD VIEW THAT AS UNJUST AND EXCESSIVE. Now imagine shooting at kids from one side of the border to the other and killing them. On top of that you're a BP agent you should be an example and an adult who understands little boys often make mistakes. Unfortunately it was a brown boy who tossed the rock so he deserved to get shot. As for a biker going down through the state of Michoacan during a time of war, it really isn't a smart move. I'm sure the people of Michoacan love tourist but in a time of conflict theres so much confusion mistrust and violence in the region. I wouldn't travel through Iraq or syria during right now. No one has any business in Michoacan right now unless you have family there ( that know the region and the current conflict ) or you're in Michoacan to fight on whichever side you support. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-53578009595877276152014-07-13T22:34:13.577-06:002014-07-13T22:34:13.577-06:00@5:51 p.m this wont change mexico but god will one...@5:51 p.m this wont change mexico but god will one day!! I dont care what color u are or where youre from no one deserves to be murdered like this!!! Mexico needs a revolution and ppl on drugs need to get the hell off that shit!!! My sympathies to her and her family!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com