tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post443156941472104662..comments2024-03-19T02:25:41.229-06:00Comments on Borderland Beat: Gunwalker: William Newell Circles the WagonsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-28402268270514523862011-08-01T22:55:28.398-06:002011-08-01T22:55:28.398-06:00The fact that the US has this gigantic war machine...The fact that the US has this gigantic war machine that dwarfs all others put together contributes to its gun culture being so dominant and all pervasive. Yes, there is a 'plot' by US government and corporate leaders and that is to have the biggest war machine around imaginable. YOU would be absolutely ignorant not to have figured that much out, Anonymous 11:47 and absolutely unimaginative to think that it has no effect on anything, which is what you seem to think. Your idiotic diatribe against what I am talking about here is just plain stupid stuff on your part, too. Get a life, Dude! <br /><br />'I thought ardent could see the big picture.'<br /><br />The tiny tiny picture is that you are not a very intelligent person and that's a fact, and the big picture is that there is a huge US war machine out there that promotes the type of mentality that Breivik has. And this US war machine promotes a stupid ass drug war that never will end in any real success because it's human nature to use drugs from time to time in one's life, whether they are legal or not.Ardentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-87727791471362773322011-08-01T11:47:15.507-06:002011-08-01T11:47:15.507-06:00@ardent - because it's a huge conspiracy, led ...@ardent - because it's a huge conspiracy, led by the US government, to dominate the world. Can't you see it ardent? Obama is bankrupting the US so he has to take over other countries, by force or by guile, to keep feeding his Swiss bank accounts. Selling guns in Mexico is just the tip of the iceberg. The US wants to put people it selects in power in 3rd world countries and and at the head of all criminal organizations.<br /><br />I am amazed that ardent focuses on this one nut case Norwegian who bought a few guns and killed a few people. I thought ardent could see the big picture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-65414555174805286512011-08-01T11:02:55.649-06:002011-08-01T11:02:55.649-06:00To ardent:
From your link.
Breivik wrote in his m...To ardent:<br />From your link.<br /><br />Breivik wrote in his manifesto that while he could have purchased the high-capacity magazines in Sweden, they would have been significantly more expensive than ordering them from a U.S. supplier. He wrote that he spent $550 for the 10 clips. He also described legally buying four 30-round clips for a Glock handgun in Norway.<br /><br />Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60154.html#ixzz1TnVcB2uRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-70303983852592588882011-08-01T08:29:43.683-06:002011-08-01T08:29:43.683-06:00High cap mags don't kill ppl, people kill peop...High cap mags don't kill ppl, people kill people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-54535102810836771702011-08-01T07:50:38.905-06:002011-08-01T07:50:38.905-06:00The 30 round guns clips were from the US purchased...The 30 round guns clips were from the US purchased via mail by Breivik, not the guns, as I had earlier said. Norwegian stores will only sell up to 3 round gun clips, and Breivik needed to fire much faster than that to be able to kill so many people all at one time as he was planning to do. <br /><br />Norway shooter: Ammo clips were from U.S. - POLITICO report http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60154.html<br /><br />So why is the US so eager to enable sales of high powered weaponry and ammo around the world, and including into Mexico?Ardentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-16693191149912711882011-08-01T03:18:18.132-06:002011-08-01T03:18:18.132-06:00I'm starting to believe the theory that the AT...I'm starting to believe the theory that the ATF was trying some backdoor plot that would end with tighter gun laws. The stated reason for the program makes no sense. It is not the truth. <br /><br />ATF let guns walk into Mexico so they could track them and then tell Mexican authorities so they MIGHT arrest the narcos that had the guns. That does not make any sense.<br /><br />For all the "grilling" the good legislators are getting a lot of smoke blown up their ass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-63005338159474362292011-08-01T02:58:24.341-06:002011-08-01T02:58:24.341-06:00Texcoco Mex said
Anon July 31, 2011 9:23 PM I do...Texcoco Mex said <br /><br />Anon July 31, 2011 9:23 PM I don't know if this is what you are looking for but here it is http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/anders-behring-breivik-got-ammo-us this doesn't show the ATF knew about this guy buying illegal ammo from U.SAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-26858166484139910802011-07-31T23:14:06.137-06:002011-07-31T23:14:06.137-06:00duh! you people act like the government does nothi...duh! you people act like the government does nothing illegal and knows the war on drugs will never end, so they manage it and play both sides. what a better strategy? make a few busts here and there and blame mexico! skim off the top and make a few busts to keep prisons to a nice level, make a few top busts to keep the public happy. But the street cop has his full heart into the war on drugs, and doesn't even know his efforts are fruitless. <br /><br />LOL I'm american our government is so funny, but nobody will believe it. "they wouldn't do that". <br /><br />The drug war isn't a war, it's more of a professional wrestling show. Government officials doing their fake interviews and playing a role LOL<br /><br />they just blame mexico but they still got money for blow on the side.<br /><br />well maybe not quite like that, but you get the point....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-44208216644066552952011-07-31T21:23:41.536-06:002011-07-31T21:23:41.536-06:00ardent: Do you have a link to a factual story or d...ardent: Do you have a link to a factual story or document that gives some proof to what you are saying about the Norway shooter?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-68984911603696951622011-07-31T20:20:00.611-06:002011-07-31T20:20:00.611-06:00ardent: did breivik get his gun through the us pos...ardent: did breivik get his gun through the us postal service? who approved his application, and who varified his proof of citizenship? i guess im just confused about the gun laws.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-37172296426359777602011-07-31T19:46:05.596-06:002011-07-31T19:46:05.596-06:00What really amazes me as that as bad as these ATF ...What really amazes me as that as bad as these ATF guys are, they still arent half as bad as the corrupt in mexico!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-20949973917252186662011-07-31T19:27:09.519-06:002011-07-31T19:27:09.519-06:001:22pm you are correct. they just didnt expec...1:22pm you are correct. they just didnt expect one of those guns to come back across the river to kill bp agent. it backfired, now they cant cover it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-80573948568756952742011-07-31T19:02:42.371-06:002011-07-31T19:02:42.371-06:00And also forgot to mention the scumbags at NRA. Th...And also forgot to mention the scumbags at NRA. They sure as hell knew about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-43431174554357873402011-07-31T18:44:58.933-06:002011-07-31T18:44:58.933-06:00These US government meetings always have people ma...These US government meetings always have people making the funniest statements! From the commentary we have this exchange reported about South Carolina Republican Trey Gowdy's grandstanding. <br /><br />'Gowdy was equally disgusted:<br />I worked with ATF for six years directly and I worked with ATF indirectly for 10 years. This is one of the saddest days, in fact it might be the saddest day in my 6 months in Congress. ATF has a wonderful reputation in South Carolina. We never once contemplated letting firearms walk, ever. A first year Quantico (the FBI training academy) or Glynco (U.S. Marshall Service) person knows that.'<br /><br /><br /> I guess that Trey Gowdy doesn't know that the ATF also allowed Anders Behring Breivik's guns 'to walk'? YES, our Norwegian Far Right Winger got hsi guns from the US by mail! Not only does the ATF allow guns to walk, but they allow guns to positively dance around them in circles!Ardentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-47189375055902535562011-07-31T17:12:16.785-06:002011-07-31T17:12:16.785-06:00Where's the guy that used to cry foul blaming ...Where's the guy that used to cry foul blaming the ATF and the NRA for everything? This is your moment to shine homes. The NRA is not involved though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-80146895677452302132011-07-31T17:08:45.005-06:002011-07-31T17:08:45.005-06:00Hell, these bitches killed 100 times as many peopl...Hell, these bitches killed 100 times as many people as Diego ordered killed. I doubt 3 of them lose their job for this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-89195623558589528412011-07-31T17:05:43.779-06:002011-07-31T17:05:43.779-06:00We are all so quick to say Mexico needs to use lie...We are all so quick to say Mexico needs to use lie detector tests, back ground checks, and interrogation of it's police officers.<br /><br />Looks like the US needs to come up with a dumb-ass test. He is eat up with dumb-ass as was everyone involved. WTF<br /><br />If we interrogated corruption with the same techniques Mexico uses, we would probably find out very quickly the CIA, DEA, FBI etc. all support the Sinaloa Cartel as does Calderon and his administration. But when it comes down to it, all they have to do is plead the 5th. If we can take foreigners to remote island jails, torture and water board them for information, why can't we do it with our representatives that turn criminal. Oh, I forgot, our government doesn't want us to know the truth. This is far from the first time the US has supported criminal groups with weapons. Lol, guess that is why everyone loves us and speaks so highly of the US.<br /><br />That little old bitch agent testifying before senate would squall and tell it all the first time you slapped him or sprayed him with cold water. And he would cry the whole time.<br /><br />Absolute disgrace to all US citizens. We need to take a look at all our agencies purposes, policies and their lack of oversight and accountably.<br /><br />We have little room to say much of anything about the Mexican government now.<br /><br />WTFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-85461758960249578522011-07-31T15:43:21.861-06:002011-07-31T15:43:21.861-06:00JUST SHAMEFUL!JUST SHAMEFUL!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-44607502047934770202011-07-31T15:22:48.641-06:002011-07-31T15:22:48.641-06:00The worlds largest importer of illegal drugs and a...The worlds largest importer of illegal drugs and at the same time the worlds largest exporter of war. Talk about corruption at every level. It is scary to think about. The motives for this stuff is nothing short of evil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-58209516183435696892011-07-31T15:11:50.640-06:002011-07-31T15:11:50.640-06:00What the hell. They were going to inform the Mexic...What the hell. They were going to inform the Mexican Government where the guns were so "they" could go and apprehend the criminals. What a friend we are!!! This is one of the more embarrassing moments for the US in recent history.<br /><br />Maybe we need to send all those involve to Mexico to ask El Chapo if they can have them back because" they got in trouble." (lol) (wtf) Hell after he killed their dumb asses on site, the US would not have lost much. <br /><br />In an international court, we would and should owe Mexico $1,000,000 for each weapon our government allowed to flow "Fast and Furious" to Mexico. My God !!!!!!!!!!!!!! My God !!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Not only does Mexico protect and defend El Chapo, the US supplies him with weapons. As this web begins to unravel, guilt is climbing the US ladder.<br /><br />This is a DISGRACE to us all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-87954009483971858502011-07-31T14:19:27.367-06:002011-07-31T14:19:27.367-06:00There needs to be some lie detector test and check...There needs to be some lie detector test and checking of bank accounts throughout ATF, DEA, DOJ, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-66998987159979492392011-07-31T13:22:12.801-06:002011-07-31T13:22:12.801-06:00Nothing happens in a vacuum, nobody in Mexico eith...Nothing happens in a vacuum, nobody in Mexico either Mexican Law enforcement, or American Law enforcement where told about Fast and Furious for a reasion. The Mexicans would have said, “Are you guys out of your minds?” The Americans would have revolted both would have ran to the press.<br />So you have to ask why? Why allow 2500 guns (I think the real figure is much higher) to be bought by drug cartels who are putting it kindly murderous? <br />I think this has to do with trying to acquire justification for an Assault weapons ban and more gun control on this side of the border. Remember a year or two ago when Aunt Hillary was out denouncing American guns where killing people on the streets of Mexico? When asked to produce said guns things got quiet? If they can have real guns from this side of the border pop up at crime scenes along with victims an AW ban would be much easier to implement without the backlash Slick Willie suffered. I think this hare brained idea was hatched in the rarified echo chamber at the WH.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-38507704036362691352011-07-31T11:52:24.236-06:002011-07-31T11:52:24.236-06:00The 2,000 guns that got by is probably 10,000 or m...The 2,000 guns that got by is probably 10,000 or more, trying to play down their fuck up because they got caught. The USA knows exactly what they're doing its no mistake that all those guns got thru. Putting this front "Fast & furious" months ahead just in case something like this happens, Oh it was just a sting we've been working on. Really? Selling guns by the bulk in border towns. What a great plan specially in a time when Mexico is at war. Seems like they just wanted to make their neighbor look even weaker by playing both sides. Will give you this billion's of dollars to help you with the war, but will sell this guns to the narco's just to make thing's interesting. They got a bigger agenda in the works taking this little steps to get to the big picture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-69974015890860337382011-07-31T11:38:15.667-06:002011-07-31T11:38:15.667-06:00I love the grilling. Each U.S. Citizen should have...I love the grilling. Each U.S. Citizen should have a turn going at these clowns. On my turn I would ask how many rounds each of these guns can fire over it's service life and how many Mexican citizens could potentially be killed as a result, did they know that the guns are illegal in Mexico, what caliber of fire arms were involved? Then I would give each decision making clown a down ward biach slap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-35079516725649043442011-07-31T11:19:56.227-06:002011-07-31T11:19:56.227-06:00The only reason this is an issue is because a Fed ...The only reason this is an issue is because a Fed got killed with one of the guns, they wanted to arm the cartels in order to clean the streets and further the need for help in high level takedowns.<br />Sounded like a good plan, until it went puplic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com