tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post3734371667353078585..comments2024-03-29T05:45:36.095-06:00Comments on Borderland Beat: The Cartels and the Government: Bishop Vera speaksUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-3194215625176490642011-02-07T21:09:26.942-07:002011-02-07T21:09:26.942-07:00'Resilient Tucsonian' tells me to read up ...'Resilient Tucsonian' tells me to read up on some history, which is something that he himself obviously has not done. <br /><br />The Catholic Church were major backers of the world wide fascist movement of the '30s... and afterwards, too. The current Pope was even in their youth movement of the Nazis at the time, and has now made 'saints' of the Catholic Church out of many Catholic priests and bishops that were major backers of the Spanish, Portuguese, Croatian, and other national fascist movements of those years.<br /><br />This is not 'anti-Catholic propaganda' but real actual history.<br /><br />'Many thousands of priests and religious died in the concentration camps. Israel named a street after the Pope at the time. Would they have done that for a Nazi Collaborator?'<br /><br />Yes, they might well do just that. <br /><br />People of all sorts got swept up into concentration camps but that still does not mean that the Catholic Church was in opposition to the Fascists during WW2 times. They weren't. And it is also well known that the Zionist leadership at the time also held talks with the NAZIs in how they might work together in getting European Jews to Palestine, where the Arabs could be robbed of their lands and properties, and subsequently were.<br /><br />You want 'history', Resilient Tucson? You got it. I think it a very ignorant person who knows nothing of how the Catholic Church were most often backers of Far Right Wing political groupings, including those who were fascists.Ernest1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-35754230376426124332011-02-07T10:38:54.326-07:002011-02-07T10:38:54.326-07:00"February 4, 2011 1:29 PM
Ernest1 said... ..."February 4, 2011 1:29 PM <br />Ernest1 said... <br />Where was the Catholic Church when Hitler and his allies rose up?<br />"<br /><br />Many thousands of priests and religious died in the concentration camps. Israel named a street after the Pope at the time. Would they have done that for a Nazi Collaborator?<br /><br />Get your facts straight and read some real history rather than ant-catholic propaganda.DWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09262587917905900259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-450390971675437902011-02-04T16:37:24.772-07:002011-02-04T16:37:24.772-07:00@Gerardo
I'm so disappointed in you, how can y...@Gerardo<br />I'm so disappointed in you, how can you for one get an article from Proceso?? If anyone who knows about Proceso is for one its anti-Calderon, even if the President does something good, every day its all about conspiracy this or that, or "his failure" for this or that...its one thing to critize it another to make it openly know you hate the guy...so much for ethics in journalism. Whats worst this magazine was even listed by el grande as taking bribes to take sides on cartels. How patheic!!! Second its the Catholic Church for real, they have no freakin morals to talk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-38904708992316276072011-02-04T14:08:52.782-07:002011-02-04T14:08:52.782-07:00Where was the Catholic Church when Hitler and his ...Where was the Catholic Church when Hitler and his allies rose up? And where is it now? The Catholic Church nowadays will pretend that it somehow opposed Hitler and the other fascists when in reality the Catholic Church mainly cooperated with fascists around the globe. Today it continues pretty much on the same track.<br /><br />This RECENT history is important simply because it illustrates that Liberation Theology has always only been marginally tolerated within the Catholic Church.... at best. Today, just as yesterday and always, the mainstream Catholic HIerarchy provides no real opposition to the powers that be, but instead covers for their wealth and power 'theologically'.<br /><br />Where has the Church been in Chihuahua as hundreds of young women were disappeared and tortured? Did they really ever make even the slightest attempt to demand that the government really stop those atrocities, that now has morphed into even greater tragedies? No, I don't think so.<br /><br />I'm afraid that the Catholic Church's Human Rights record is not even just really thread worn but more like totally rotten. This bishop of Saltillo still has to preach against abortion rights and even birth control in general. This bishop has to continue to support a church based on male dominance through its own clergy or he would be run out of it. He is a leader in a church that helped create the very same PAN government that today he hints at as being mainly just a dictatorship of the powerful over the weak.<br /><br />I am not in anyway saying though that the Protestant Evangelist Churches would be a better alternative to the Catholic Church Hierarchy, because they simply would not, nor have been. The Poor will not ever have a real ally in the Catholic Church though, words of a few nice bishops to the contrary. That's just really the truth of the situation.Ernest1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-38719895685332829162011-02-04T13:29:59.085-07:002011-02-04T13:29:59.085-07:00@ Gerardo,
thanks for bringing Vera's opinion ...@ Gerardo,<br />thanks for bringing Vera's opinion to our attention. He's a great guy, very consistent in his critics of the Mexican social politics -or lack of, from PRI to current regime.<br /><br />@Anon 10:40,<br />gringos suffer of bipolar disorder. Specially in Tucson, AZ.Matanzasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-44876388529417678602011-02-04T11:01:54.246-07:002011-02-04T11:01:54.246-07:00Respect, Bishop Vera ! Right on the money, sir.Respect, Bishop Vera ! Right on the money, sir.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-2334769637113327302011-02-04T10:40:14.558-07:002011-02-04T10:40:14.558-07:00What do you mean it is "Not the Governments j...What do you mean it is "Not the Governments job to protect you?"<br />i heard plenty of you Gringos crying over this issue on 911Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-60544870590667284602011-02-04T09:22:07.036-07:002011-02-04T09:22:07.036-07:00Marc
I agree that much of this conflict is fueled...Marc<br /><br />I agree that much of this conflict is fueled by social economic inequalities that exist in Mexico; Lower ranking sicarios, gangsters are joining and killing each other for practically nothing. Why does this go about?<br /> How can a developing country have the richest man in the world without underhanded collaboration of the ruling classes. In Mexico just about every major business is a monopoly government collaborates in keeping the status quo of monopolistic protection for the super rich in Mexico; in this, the government is just violent as the sicarios - drawing blood, sweat and tears from the lower class of people, forcing them to migrate to U.S. is they are going to have any hope of bettering their lives. For there to be any real social justice in Mexico, there needs to be an equitable distribution of wealth, real competition of businesses vying for customers, this will drive prices down and keep employees on their toes for better ideas. Another issue that is driving social chaos is "Free Trade" exportation of local agriculturally produced goods and the importation of of the same. Mexico's farmers can not compete with the modern and much productive agricultural methods of developed countries, this is detrimental to Mexico's small farmers. Laws must be passed for businesses to pay a liveable wages for their workers - no I'm not speaking of pay to be equal to U.S. but a livable wage to be able to support a family. When read and see the chaos in Mexico it is as if the authorities are not serious about stopping the violence, Mexico's form of government is illegitimate as it is, much more then a solution at the point of the barrel of a gun needs to be implemented.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-72852793860477290382011-02-04T09:20:39.885-07:002011-02-04T09:20:39.885-07:00"Mexico’s Catholic church whose roots are fir..."Mexico’s Catholic church whose roots are firmly planted in the principles of Liberation Theology, the “preferential option for the poor” that is no longer tolerated by today’s Vatican"<br /><br />It is not tolerated (or was ever tolerated) because liberation theology is a code word for Marxism which is an evil. The Church does not stand for the theft of someones property to be given to another (the basis of socialist governments like Mexico's). Church teaching preaches the NATURAL rights of man which man has because those rights enable him to fulfill duties he has from God. Anyone who preaches that these duties and rights come from government, and can be taken away by government, is not preaching Catholic teaching. This bishop is part of the problem down in Mexico and until the Mexicans realize that it is not the government's job to protect them, then they will continue to be slaves to the government and the cartels despite their "liberation" theology.DWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09262587917905900259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-20238641036920356352011-02-04T09:14:48.891-07:002011-02-04T09:14:48.891-07:00they have been an effective tool ,of the internati...they have been an effective tool ,of the international moneylenders,spreading religion the greatest enemy of mankind,making people into docile animals while extracting their last bit of wealth, they should give back the gold stolen for them by the spanish ,religion turns people into sheep, and protects then from the wolves only as long as they behave,mexico is being beaten to the ground and will serve the chosens or suffer untill it doesthe land of ZOGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-15390185322247136512011-02-04T07:33:45.252-07:002011-02-04T07:33:45.252-07:00and ernie has agreed with somebody..double deep fe...and ernie has agreed with somebody..double deep feeze..yer right hell has surely frozen over...<br /><br />jus kiddn there now ..don't get all mad n stuff<br /><br />but seriously..is this man looking to become a martyr?..is has already been proven the clergy is not protected from reprisals<br /><br />"L"BAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-32100471932861871642011-02-04T07:19:00.613-07:002011-02-04T07:19:00.613-07:00He makes some good points, however the Church is j...He makes some good points, however the Church is just as bloody as all of them.<br />they are looking after their interests as well,<br />i doubt he is doing it because he has such a good heart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-57228342399016709862011-02-04T05:04:07.447-07:002011-02-04T05:04:07.447-07:00So i just saw on the news that hell froze over.......So i just saw on the news that hell froze over...... 9 degrees and snow in Juarez?!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-24643584656986258732011-02-04T01:44:11.040-07:002011-02-04T01:44:11.040-07:00These are all very nice and pretty words and I lar...These are all very nice and pretty words and I largely agree with them. However let's put this is some larger perspective about how the Mexican people actually see the Catholic Church as a whole.....<br /><br />PAN too closely associated with Catholic Church, says bishop<br />FRIDAY, JULY 31 2009 TOM MARSHALL<br /><br />The auxiliary bishop of the diocese of Guadalajara, Jose Gonzalez, has warned that the Catholic Church “urgently” needs to dispel the perception that it is closely linked to the ruling National Action Party (PAN).<br /><br />A recent study carried out by the Catholic Church showed that many Mexicans are put off the institution because they believe it is too heavily linked to President Felipe Calderon’s right-of-center party.<br /><br />Banishing these fears won’t be easy. Mexican Roman Catholics were fundamental in the creation of the PAN as a reaction to the government’s anti-church policies that resulted in Mexico’s 1926-1929 Holy War.<br /><br />The bishop also revealed fears that the church will be “dragged down” by the internal wrangling that has engulfed the PAN in the aftermath of the July 5 election. The PAN performed poorly and lost its majority in the federal Chamber of Deputies....<br /><br />this article continues at ... <br /><br />http://guadalajarareporter.com/news-mainmenu-82/national-mainmenu-86/25162-pan-too-closely-associated-with-catholic-church-says-bishop.htmlErnest1noreply@blogger.com