tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post2277082966632138063..comments2024-03-28T04:36:13.977-06:00Comments on Borderland Beat: Mexico's Splintering Drug Gangs Pose New Security RiskUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-57549915989831142242011-08-25T19:45:15.676-06:002011-08-25T19:45:15.676-06:00Well that's the way it goes right? Whatever ne...Well that's the way it goes right? Whatever new surprises these splintered gangs throw at the Mexican government, the government has to roll with the punches and must adapt to everything these cartels throw at them, even if it means fighting off extremely violent and reckless street gangs who roam the streets like rabid rats.<br /><br />Mexico and the U.S. should also branch off by using military contractors, both Mexican and American, specially trained soldiers to specialize in fighting these gangs in the streets. Like the Los Angeles gang task forces that cleaned up the city. Afterwards, L.A. had a drop in gang homicides, even experiencing one of it's safest years in a decade.JBLAZEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00743447589981240553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-33374901350190433082011-08-24T05:58:39.904-06:002011-08-24T05:58:39.904-06:00@5:59pm
The above LIBERAL, PRO-LIFE, ATHEIST (at ...@5:59pm<br /><br />The above LIBERAL, PRO-LIFE, ATHEIST (at 7:38) that knows he is god, stated that "I think I would allow myself to enjoy vengeance for a wrong done to me; but, by the time I pull the trigger I would have accepted the consequences of my actions. I would probably turn myself in... probably..."<br /><br /><br />Responding to your argument: Statistically, it is impossible that only those that have suffered the murder of a family member are the only ones that support the death penalty; after all, 69% (2010) of the our population support it. So, what you (and anyone that hasn't been a victim of violent crime but still supports the DP) probably intended to say is that you can foresee a instance where you would want to exact a vengeance, and therefore support a provision in the law where (under the scenario you mention) a killer would eventually be killed themselves.<br /><br />Well, you're in luck!! That's what the law is in all but 10 US states, right now! <br /><br />But, what I argue is that the above STATE SANCTIONED KILLING is what we should not accept, as a society. We are fallible, human and likely to get things wrong in MORE THAN ZERO cases. If killing someone is exact and final, shouldn't deciding who gets killed be just as precise? So...can we be precise? No, humans cannot be precise. So...then, if we cannot be precise and fair in how we decide who gets the DP, should we allow ourselves to use it at all?? <br /><br />...well, that depends on how pro-life you are...<br /><br /><br />No. Dummy, anti-DP, gun owning liberals (like me) are not above wanting to exact vengeance on some SOB that's bludgeoned my wife to the floor; I am human, I am alive and I am capable of love and hate. I label myself "dummy" because I declare that if I were to allow myself the privilege of taking someone's life in vengeance, the only (intellectually honest) subsequent action (after pulling the trigger in a pre-meditated vengeance murder) would be to turn myself in at the nearest police station. ...after all, I am only a god and not above man's law.<br /><br />This is fun!!!<br /><br /><br />ARAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-59838724245160953062011-08-23T18:58:51.400-06:002011-08-23T18:58:51.400-06:00@11:51
If you saw "la mano con ojos interview...@11:51<br />If you saw "la mano con ojos interview" he said that he had about 35 man working for him, but he said that evwry one of those 35 had their own group!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-54219966219086015962011-08-23T17:59:16.458-06:002011-08-23T17:59:16.458-06:00I agree with the Death penalty for those that murd...I agree with the Death penalty for those that murder multiple people, however what good will the Death Penalty be if when a murderer gets caught, 9 times out of 10 he is released from Prison in 2 years ?.<br /><br />BTW to the Liberal pro-Life anti-death penalty person that posted above, have you ever had a family member murdered, and what would you do if you came home and saw your wife laying on the floor, raped and being beaten to death, would you stand and watch, call 911 or beg ?.<br /><br />Remember when you answer it only takes a few seconds to kill someone, but it takes around 15 minutes for the police to arrive.<br /><br />If your answer is to wait until the Police come, than say good bye to your wife, but if you pull a Gun and kill him, than Hug her and thank God she is alive.<br /><br />I'm no Gun nut and I wish I did not have to carry one, but I sincerly thank our Forefathers that had wisdom to allow us this freedom to save others and to defend ourselves and remeber it's always better to be judged by 12 people than to be carried by 6.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-46390867646661966752011-08-23T17:55:44.655-06:002011-08-23T17:55:44.655-06:00@ 12:34 august 23
You may/may not be aware that t...@ 12:34 august 23<br /><br />You may/may not be aware that there is a detainment which is separate than arrest. we we read of these "arrests" often they are simply detainments and a tiny percentage of those go on to be booked and arrested and charged. I am uncertain if this calculation is of both however, it is apx 3% go to trial and are convicted.<br /><br />also there are huge judicial changes that have occurred in Mx whcih has until next year to implement. Federal proscecutors have been trained in the US as the changes incurring are modeled after the US system. Lets hope there will be positive changem but until there is control of corruption incarceration and judicial systems will suffer. <br /><br />You are correct the death penalty would bring along with it a wide berth of opportunity for abuse. I am not sure how I feel about it. But for all intents the death penalty exists in Mx, one shot eliminates the need for arrest, proscecution, judgement, incarceration and proposed execution. <br /><br />and perhaps not having captial punishment is one reason why.Buelanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-60312505674802376512011-08-23T13:47:52.409-06:002011-08-23T13:47:52.409-06:00La Barredora/Comando del Diablo are Sinaloa.La Barredora/Comando del Diablo are Sinaloa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-72931126312493368432011-08-23T12:34:02.636-06:002011-08-23T12:34:02.636-06:00What do the statistics say about what percentage o...What do the statistics say about what percentage of people arrested in mexico are convicted? 5%? That's some deterrent. Even if everyone convicted is sent to death, you're looking at a 1 in 20 chance. You've got a better chance of getting blasted by a rival cartel. Mexico can't even put people away, much less keep them in prison. How efficient you think death row is gonna run?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-9052666012543396272011-08-23T00:17:49.865-06:002011-08-23T00:17:49.865-06:00A death penalty will have little success. These gu...A death penalty will have little success. These guys operate with the possibility of death everyday for one. Most are on amphetamine or cocaine and think they are invincible. Last, the Mexican government uses the death penalty on a day by day, hour by hour basis. They kill a lot of people as they are judge, jury, and executioner. They don't send it to court. And the cost of a death penalty case would be so high, they couldn't do it. I would guess ours cost are between 5 and 15 million each.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-19014414547761563762011-08-22T22:34:28.841-06:002011-08-22T22:34:28.841-06:00Texcoco Mex said
@ August 22, 2011 2:34 PM Calde...Texcoco Mex said <br /><br />@ August 22, 2011 2:34 PM Calderon has only sent in a fraction of the army, why he hasn't sent every soldier into the fight, beats the shit out of me.<br /><br />Calderon wants to do it but congress won't let him.<br /><br />@Buela If what you said about DP is truth then I hope we get it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-63372000961813226112011-08-22T22:26:33.206-06:002011-08-22T22:26:33.206-06:00@9:44
Umm what's my point. How about the titl...@9:44<br /><br />Umm what's my point. How about the title of the article " How Mexican splintering drug gangs pose new secretary risk" So I was naming cartels and the some splinter gangs... What's your point? Clearly you don't understand the concept.Mr.Clean Mexiconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-58356255866790546062011-08-22T21:44:25.460-06:002011-08-22T21:44:25.460-06:00@3:47
What's your point? The U.S. consumes al...@3:47<br /><br />What's your point? The U.S. consumes almost 50% of the WORLDS drugs. So you can't seriously believe these drugs sell themselves once they cross the border. Of course not, there has to be several distributors.<br /><br />Gangs In The United States<br /><br />Bloods<br />Crips<br />Hells Angels<br />Mongols<br />Mara Salvatrucha<br />Bandidos<br />Triads<br />American Mafia<br />Aryan Brotherhood<br />Texas Syndicate<br />Ku Klux Klan<br /><br />And DOZENS of others I wont bother to mention. But if you're curious, go here for the full list.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gangs_in_the_United_StatesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-1578573741145919642011-08-22T19:50:38.092-06:002011-08-22T19:50:38.092-06:00Don't expect Mexicans to act like Germans,Show...Don't expect Mexicans to act like Germans,Showboat politics,no death penalty no right to carry for the public, weak,unenforced BS laws,The public dosen't stand a chance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-44806650575407170032011-08-22T19:49:43.602-06:002011-08-22T19:49:43.602-06:00La limpia mazatleca = Beltran Leyva
la barredora,...La limpia mazatleca = Beltran Leyva<br /><br />la barredora,el comando del diablo=Beltran LeyvaMr.Clean Mexiconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-15581175249128118102011-08-22T19:38:48.926-06:002011-08-22T19:38:48.926-06:00@4:52
Nah, DC.
A comment without an elbow, is li...@4:52<br /><br />Nah, DC.<br /><br />A comment without an elbow, is like "uno de tripa" without the grilled onions: it just isn't the way its supposed to be. He, he...<br /><br /><br /><br />I consider death an "elegant solution" that is dispensed by "imperfect" justice (by elegant I mean "perfect," or not able to have recourse; once consummated there's no going back). Isn't the nature of a system engineered by humans to be fallible; manipulable? We shouldn't accept rules of evidence that are "good enough" when considering a sanction without room for mistakes; the elegant sanction. (I can feel people's brains saying, "this is gonna cost us tax money," but there are far more stupid ways to spend our money than paying whatever it takes to maintain our humanity.)<br /><br />Y pues... "o todos coludos o todos rabones; cabrones."<br /><br />You can't have an "elegant" solution for the poor and another for the rich (or educated). Just because a jury says so, doesn't make it right; mistakes have been made. No?<br /><br />In my opinion, Americans are easily persuadable to support this penalty because of our perceived distance from any situation where we feel a risk to our flesh; this allows us to exceed our ability to empathize with those that are caught in that web. We can always come up with an "on the one hand, and on the other hand" argument when really we just don't give a shit. The typical limits of our effort (when thinking about someone dieing at the hands of our own government) is to think and say: "Quien le manda al pendejo...por buey." We never think about how "I" sanctioned the killing because I neglected my responsibilities as a human being. <br /><br />I reject this lethargic compartmentalization of my psyche; its probably because and I am a proud liberal, pro-life, atheist that doesn't accept anyone or anything as superior to me (BTW, I'm not superior to anyone either). <br /><br />I AM GOD. <br /><br />I have the power of life and death. I'm the one that has the power to stand in the way of someone dieing in my name. I OPPOSE THE DEATH PENALTY FOR ANYONE.<br /><br /><br />I respect life; I couldn't flush anyone. "Call me crazy." (J.Huntsman)<br /><br /><br />...whatever, nevermind...<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />BTW... I think I would allow myself to enjoy vengeance for a wrong done to me; but by the time I pull the trigger I would have accepted the consequences of my actions. I would probably turn myself in... probably...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-12898018670865397072011-08-22T18:58:55.292-06:002011-08-22T18:58:55.292-06:00I SAY LINE EM UP THE WALL AND SHOW NO MERCY! THE...I SAY LINE EM UP THE WALL AND SHOW NO MERCY! THERE PURE TERRORIST ALLIE TO THE DEVIL DESTROYING PEOPLE, FAMILIES AND COUNTRIES!! THANK GOD AND PRAISE GOD THAT CALDERON WAS PRESIDENT. I PRAY FOR THE MEXICAN PEOPLE TO CHOOSE THE LORD'S WAY AND BLESSED IS HE WHO DIES IN HIS NAME!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-8760830144225814012011-08-22T18:28:43.159-06:002011-08-22T18:28:43.159-06:00La limpia mazatleca
la barredora
el comando del di...La limpia mazatleca<br />la barredora<br />el comando del diabloAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-28851999448982372452011-08-22T18:06:37.488-06:002011-08-22T18:06:37.488-06:00The picture posted in this story is an important o...The picture posted in this story is an important one, though of another story. Acapulco had 30+ murders last week just through saturday afternoon, they call it black week.<br /><br />Aca is very violent. I posted a story on forum about this picutre and another. This picture depicts men in aca that were on this bridge which is in front of Sea World. Men drove up and litered the street with AK 47 shells but hit their target, the men lying dead in the photo. <br /><br />That action was in full view of many tourists.<br /><br />Second on the same day a truck load of armed men with a dismembered body of a man. they stopped and placed the head on a bench then taunted the shocked citizens who saw this, with the dismembered arms and legs terrorizing them. they went on to hang and place the parts in several places about Aca and enjoyed terrorizing the people. It seems that terror is as important than anything else in Aca.<br /><br />BTW: Cabo San Lucas is in an assassins war. they have had unusual violence the past 2 months as two groups battle it out...<br /><br />@ J...I am translating a great piece about the loose lips of those narcos caught and it pretty much is bullshit and why. its very interesting, you probably already read it, I should be finished by Wed.Buelanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-56195632194495175822011-08-22T17:54:03.936-06:002011-08-22T17:54:03.936-06:00@ DC...
Mexico congress has been considering bring...@ DC...<br />Mexico congress has been considering bring back the DP for two years. There is a driving movement gaining strength in its support. If the violence increases in severity it has a chance. However they make it clear it will be for crimes such as the mass kidnappings and the tamps 72 as well as others such as those in charge of ordering killings etc.<br /><br />I say it should include those in positions of fiduciary that betray the trust and work in collusion with cartels and gangs. Like politicians!<br /><br />i AGREE DP SHOULD not be considered a deterrent, it is punitive. period. and prevention. I remember the Ted Bundy case. Remember he escaped and went on to kill the girls in the dorm and the child he kidnapped from school. <br />He can no longer kill.<br /><br />But there are big flaws in capital punishment in our country. when ä race representing 12% of the populus represents 52 percent of death row...there is a problem of fairness and parity.<br />DNA is another issue, if we are willing to kill a person for crimes we ought to foot the cost of him proving his innocence. Death row consists of mostly non white poor inmates. <br /><br />WHy is it an attractive white woman, who oviously is guilty of killing her baby, not only gets freedom, but tax payers pay for her high cost, high powered private defense? There is an outrages answer to that, but the point being is you are white, attractive and lawyered well, you have a great chance of getting away with murder. <br /><br />Because of these issues I cannot support the death penalty though I do support it in theory.Buelanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-77457097265804289112011-08-22T16:52:49.171-06:002011-08-22T16:52:49.171-06:00@ 7:29
I must be one of those idiots you are talk...@ 7:29<br /><br />I must be one of those idiots you are talking about then when it comes to the death penalty. <br /><br />Look it is not about fixing all ailments...I just see the DP as a way to rid the system of toxins...ie..shit. Why would you want to keep housing these monsters when all they do is run the joint from the inside and take up resources???<br /><br />once again..the DP is not a deterrent...it is a flushing of the toilet.<br /><br />spend the money on something else worthwhile like helping the poor instead of housing shit.<br /><br />thats all there is to it.DCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-49573700235974938402011-08-22T16:52:18.928-06:002011-08-22T16:52:18.928-06:00Surprising how small they made Mano Con Ojos, wond...Surprising how small they made Mano Con Ojos, wonder if it's true. El JJ said he was moving 60 a month in Mexico City.Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-87667723995381838652011-08-22T15:47:41.165-06:002011-08-22T15:47:41.165-06:00Cartel de Sinaloa
Cartel del Golfo
Los Zetas
La Fa...Cartel de Sinaloa<br />Cartel del Golfo<br />Los Zetas<br />La Familia Michoacana<br />Los Caballeros templarios<br />Los Arellano Felix<br />Cartel Independiente de Acapulco <br />Beltran Leyva<br />New Generation Jalisco Cartel<br />Cartel del Centro<br />Cartel de la Calle<br />Milenio Cartel<br />Juarez Cartel<br />Cartel de la Sierra<br />La Barbies Crew?<br /><br /><br />Did I forget any???Mr.Clean Mexiconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-91084194743377284452011-08-22T14:34:29.923-06:002011-08-22T14:34:29.923-06:00@August 22, 2011 4:47 AM
You really have no idea...@August 22, 2011 4:47 AM <br /><br />You really have no idea what you are talking about. <br /><br />"You cannot fight an unlimited supply of foot soldiers, you need to go after their commanding officers, Calderon is so stupid you have to take down the larger cartels before they go after the smaller ones. sinoloa need to go first."<br /><br />Did you not read the part where the article said "more than 20 top capos to be killed or captured by Calderon's government." Which leads to fractions or splintering into smaller groups. These new cartels are now street level gangs which control local drug distribution and that's about it. Nothing more. Very powerful huh?<br /><br />"Every 3 month a new cartel pops up,what good is Mexico having an army of 192,000 soldiers if they cant even take down 1 cartel or at least have full control of 1 city especially Nuevo León."<br /><br />Calderon has only sent in a fraction of the army, why he hasn't sent every soldier into the fight, beats the shit out of me. FYI Nuevo Leon is not a city, its a state. A big one at that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-78901776070744789632011-08-22T12:38:21.741-06:002011-08-22T12:38:21.741-06:00@11:51am
Bingo! These smaller splinter groups are ...@11:51am<br />Bingo! These smaller splinter groups are street level distributors running a few narco teinditas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-34035024233378217982011-08-22T11:51:43.248-06:002011-08-22T11:51:43.248-06:00La mamo con ojos had 35 people in it according to ...La mamo con ojos had 35 people in it according to compayito. And they distributed localy 2kilos of coke a week he said. That sounds like a street gang to me, not near a cartel in my eyes. I'm sure there's bangers in the u.s that do the same. A lot of splinter groups in my eyes seem overhyped and made to seem bigger them they are like CIDA, cartel del centro, and manos con ojos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-4011465389915609302011-08-22T07:29:42.062-06:002011-08-22T07:29:42.062-06:00For idiots and conservatives, the death penalty is...For idiots and conservatives, the death penalty is like tax cuts or guns: there is no ailment they will not cure; including foot fungus.<br /><br />Albeit slowly, this story shows that the government's long term strategy is working. Like in the US, the influence of interstate and crime groups is deliberately splintered to eventually make each splinter a more manageable (and more localized) problem.<br /><br />...gees...and at the rock bottom price of just 40k slaughtered people so far.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com