tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post1386831918173741927..comments2024-03-18T20:39:44.042-06:00Comments on Borderland Beat: The war the Generals want.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-86622624272846186292011-05-18T14:33:54.689-06:002011-05-18T14:33:54.689-06:00@May 18, 2011 1:05 PM
Are you really that naive ...@May 18, 2011 1:05 PM <br /><br />Are you really that naive and stupid??? Its not an economic problem?? Really? Last time I checked it was it was a multi billion dollar industry and your saying its not an economic problem haha...you Sir are an IDIOT...I will break it down barney style for you!!! Mexicans are supplying the drugs and Americans are demanding it, which fuels the drug war...May be you should practice what you preach and go back and read every story because it's apparent you have learned nothing..DUH!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-37703578562618480692011-05-18T13:05:31.788-06:002011-05-18T13:05:31.788-06:00@May 11, 2011-5:08PM,
That's what I thought.....@May 11, 2011-5:08PM,<br /><br />That's what I thought..no viable answer or response, supply and demand has nothing to do with what's going on in Mexico. The drug war is not an economics problem..it's bout greed, corruption, and control..all having to do with criminal organizations and lack of law/order! The drug cartels are not studying economic models or reading books to enhance their knowledge on perfect market conditions. May be you should practice what you preach and go back and read every story because it's apparent you have learned nothing..DUH!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-71087560236272230292011-05-11T17:08:34.815-06:002011-05-11T17:08:34.815-06:00@May 9, 2011 9:25 AM
Its not an excuse its a fac...@May 9, 2011 9:25 AM <br /><br />Its not an excuse its a fact, its obvious you never took an economic class or you're new to BB, go back and read every story and maybe just maybe you will learn something!! Supply and Demand DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-43536884931149371952011-05-09T09:25:45.594-06:002011-05-09T09:25:45.594-06:00@May 7, 2011 4:42AM,
So...what's your excuse ...@May 7, 2011 4:42AM,<br /><br />So...what's your excuse (opinion) as to why the Mexican Gov't (or people) can't get control over the Drug Cartels? Your long winded comment has nothing to do with the drug war in Mexico, as is it does Mexico's economy. Bottom line, it's Mexicans murdering, kidnapping, etc...other Mexicans! It has absolutely nothing to do with U.S. as far as the crimes being committed! The excuse with regards to U.S. bought weapons being used by drug cartel members and the United States' appetite for drugs, is just that an excuse!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-19021719858718951442011-05-08T16:13:43.102-06:002011-05-08T16:13:43.102-06:00Texcoco Mex said.
Anon May 8, 2011 12:43 PM
Yes...Texcoco Mex said. <br /><br />Anon May 8, 2011 12:43 PM<br /><br />Yes, I was educated in Mexican schools only for 9 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-71218377645772222702011-05-08T12:43:00.811-06:002011-05-08T12:43:00.811-06:00Texcoco - you were educated in Mexican schools rig...Texcoco - you were educated in Mexican schools right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-24989021090460281952011-05-07T15:34:13.398-06:002011-05-07T15:34:13.398-06:00Viva free trade give the americans what they want,...Viva free trade give the americans what they want,<br />why are we mexicans so against it/ i dont see americans dying because of the drug war they want drugs let them have em . they sure not trying to kill the hapiness of there peolpleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-86486079651269584382011-05-07T04:42:10.810-06:002011-05-07T04:42:10.810-06:00Texcoco Mex said.
Anon May 5, 2011 3:31 PM
I don...Texcoco Mex said.<br /><br />Anon May 5, 2011 3:31 PM<br /><br />I don't think this will happened with some cartels. The only one I know that doesn't do kidnapping for money or extortion is Chapo's cartel.<br /><br />Anon May 5, 2011 4:35 PM<br /><br />I think he said that because we don't see that many arrests or drugs bust on the U.S and we all know that most of the drugs come and are sold here in the U.S <br />One thing is for sure and we can not deny the U.S has help in most of the high profile arrests in Mexico.<br /><br />Anon May 5, 2011 6:09 PM<br />As a U.S. citizen. Screw you very much.... <br /><br />It was not the Mexicans the ones who ask for the DEA, FBI, CIA, ATF, and ICE to be in Mexico it was the U.S the one who ask. About the money... nigga please... we have spend a lot more than 1.5 billion. To be honest this 1.5 Billion is a real low figure but thank you any way. And don't forget every time U.S get involved in something is because they want something in return, is not for free. Iraq is paying back in petroleum and it was not because they ask for help.<br /><br />Anon May 5, 2011 7:13 PM<br />Why does every country Look to the American taxpayer to bail them out, take care of their children, finance their governments, re-enforce their military, provide aid for natural disasters. In the meantime take all the abuse, be degraded and chastised for becoming a successful country. <br /><br />You know what Anon FUCK YOU. Every time U.S help Mexico is for a reason, and is because they want something in return since 1865 they have done that.<br />And what happed when Lazaro Cardenas did the Mexican oil expropriation. In retaliation, the oil companies initiated a public relations campaign against Mexico, urging people to stop buying Mexican goods, and lobbying to embargo US technology to Mexico. Many foreign governments closed their markets to Mexican oil, hoping that PEMEX would drown in its own oil. Between 1938 and 1939, PEMEX survived by trading oil for money and machinery to European countries with fascist governments. In spite of the boycott, PEMEX developed into one of the largest oil companies in the world and helped Mexico become the world's fifth largest oil exporter.<br /><br />During World War II, American and British governments blocked Mexican oil exports to their allies and dependencies. The US stopped buying Mexican silver for the Treasury. The British severed diplomatic relations with Cárdenas's government, and Mexican oil and other goods were boycotted, despite an international ruling in favor of Mexico's government. However, with the outbreak of World War II, oil became a highly sought-after commodity. Mexico began to export oil to Nazi Germany. The United States and Britain decided this was unacceptable, so they settled their grievances with Mexico and ended the boycott. Mexican Eagle and Royal Dutch/Shell held out longer and received a better deal after the conclusion of the war.<br /><br />The company that Cárdenas founded, Petróleos Mexicanos (or Pemex), would later be a model for other nations seeking greater control over their own oil and natural gas resources and, 70 years later, it remains the most important source of income for the country, despite weakening finances. Seeing the need to assure the technical expertise needed to run it, Cárdenas founded the National Polytechnic Institute. Yes we know how much U.S has help Mexico, but we also know it was always for something in return.<br /><br />Mexico is on the 11TH place on the GDP list thanks to the People, Busynesses, and Countries that do busyness with Mexico not thanks to the Mother Fuckers that talk shit about us. To all the good people thank you for your support. To all the haters don't forget in this life we all have a pass, a present, and a future and nobody is perfect in this world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-12438945479148561762011-05-06T18:53:16.877-06:002011-05-06T18:53:16.877-06:00@TRC 12:58
U cant say Mexico has loss the war. ...@TRC 12:58<br /> U cant say Mexico has loss the war. Yes the cartels have won some battles but not the war. And yes the army has been linked to innocent killings, or corrupt. But you can say the same about the US army. They have killed innocent people in the middle east. But a few bad apples r not going to ruin it. Calderon did the right thing to do battle the cartels... But I think how it was before. When los narcos were allowed to work, they were tolerated. And only killed themselves. <br /><br />@4:42 May 6,2011<br />Actually we can learn from Canada, look at their crime rate. Their health care system, economy.Senor del Arranquenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-71136944095445608792011-05-06T17:19:37.274-06:002011-05-06T17:19:37.274-06:00Things to keep in mind:
1. Our North American, Me...Things to keep in mind:<br /><br />1. Our North American, Mexican, South American, actually all of the world's super powers including the U.N. are involved in the drug trade, human trafficking, extortion and genocide.<br /><br />2. The killing in mexico could easily be stopped by the military but they won't do it because the government is involved why else. If they'd wanted to do it they could have done it using whatever means possible like securing their borders using the latest technology.<br /><br />2. We Americans have a constitutional right to consume whatever we want like I said, certain narcotics have been ILLEGALY criminlized to profit from incarcerations and eradication measures.<br /><br />3. We Americans are ashamed of ourselves for permitting our government to take control of our lives as it's grown too big and powerful and the masses are completely afraid of it to demand a constitutional government.<br /><br />4. Please, don't judge our military on what you've seen them do in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, or wherever. Like I said, our government is corrupt and stalls wars to benefit from them; they don't get in them to win them but to win FROM them. <br /><br />5. Nothing is more idiotic than an international police force as there's already a well equipped military and intel force behind every country. What you're asking for is just another unconstitutional organization and one step closer to losing all sovereignty in all said countries.<br /><br />6. For mexico to change for the better it would have to change their mentality. The poor don't know this because the elites keep them from seeing it as a viable goal and counterproductive. If drugs were legalized across the world, Mexico would still be easting itself alive.<br /><br />7. Obama is a puppet just as corrupt as Dubya and Clinton if not worst.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-66383456325677020082011-05-06T16:42:29.512-06:002011-05-06T16:42:29.512-06:00@May 6, 2011 2:28 PM
"Fix your own problems a...@May 6, 2011 2:28 PM<br />"Fix your own problems and then I would have sympathy for any criticism of the US."<br />Canadian why would you have any sympathy for the U.S. when your Canadian? Oh I forgot Canada has no sense of national identity hahaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-337572210084046712011-05-06T15:03:07.659-06:002011-05-06T15:03:07.659-06:00@May 6, 2011- 11:39AM
Read line #2...it applies t...@May 6, 2011- 11:39AM<br /><br />Read line #2...it applies to all countries participating but you probably can't imagine that because your probably a Latin American, who blames the U.S. for your countries problems. The concept "Interpol De Americas" is for intel gathering/sharing and prosecution. The enforcement part would utilize the host countries military elements, as would be the case in Mexico or local/state/federal police, as would be in the U.S., where the level of police corruption is not wide spread! <br /><br />Think about it, you already have U.S. Federal agents from DEA, ATF, ICE, etc...operating in Mexico for example, so the idea or concept is not so far fetched. BTW, doors being kicked in the U.S. is not an uncommon occurrence, the difference is it's done by police officers not by drug cartel thugs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-80868798981094872222011-05-06T14:28:52.475-06:002011-05-06T14:28:52.475-06:00Some interesting opinions here and so many of them...Some interesting opinions here and so many of them are misguided and uninformed.<br /><br />As a Canadian who lives and works in Monterrey for the past 11 years, I see things a little differently.<br /><br />First, the notion that arming the civilians will do anything to stop the cartels is ridiculous. I can tell you from experience that these culeros show up in force. I guarantee you will NOT be pulling out your single AK47 to battle 35 men who show up.<br /><br />Last year, we had just such an occurrence. My wife and I and our 2 children, along with her brother and sister-in-law were at our ranch for the weekend when 25+ men stormed in and demanded we leave immediately because they were taking over. It is not Dirty Harry or some macho bullshit, but there were 4 adults and 2 little kids against 25+ heavily armed men. So we left as quickly as possible.<br /><br />Also, the notion that the stealing, kidnapping, extortion and killing has only occurred since Calderon's war is ludicrous. There was plenty before (maybe not quite as much), but it was less visible. It was still terrible to families and people were even less inclined to report it because you knew the police were in the pockets of the cartel as well as the politicians.<br /><br />A return to the PRI days is simply to turn a blind eye as the cartels, police, military and politicians rape the populace and "pretend" things are better<br /><br />As for caring about the US war on drugs, I think that the General's statements are unprofessional and ignorant. Mexico is the loudest critic of the US for trying to enforce immigration laws, but wants to blame the US for not stopping demand for drugs. <br /><br />The bottom line is that Mexico needs to take ownership of their problems. the murders are occurring on Mexican streets, the kidnapping and beheadings and extortion and payoffs happen in Mexico (not the US). Fix your own problems and then I would have sympathy for any criticism of the US.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-43458736680631520932011-05-06T12:55:52.614-06:002011-05-06T12:55:52.614-06:00Has anyone read the latest Forsythe novel called T...Has anyone read the latest Forsythe novel called The Cobra on how to end the cocaine industry? Fascinating and very interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-69808110499100601482011-05-06T12:38:30.651-06:002011-05-06T12:38:30.651-06:00@May 5, 2011 6:06 PM
Exactly! If Calderon pulls o...@May 5, 2011 6:06 PM<br /><br />Exactly! If Calderon pulls out now, this war would've been for nothing. And it also seems as the MX government doesn't know what it's doing and how to do it. All of Mexico will just continue to blame it's problems on the US and wont even consider taking responsibilities of itself. If they would have taken down the cartels when they were barely forming then it wouldn't be this bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-24812294748429929752011-05-06T11:48:58.740-06:002011-05-06T11:48:58.740-06:00Better yet ajulio, let's just send Obama to Me...Better yet ajulio, let's just send Obama to Mexico. He would fit right in with socialist progressive policies of businesses in cahoots with government (legal or illegal).<br /><br />Then we have one less political dreamer spending up all American's tax dollars on ObamaCare, bailouts and such.Kari Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01301038700247894004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-56161545093042601332011-05-06T11:39:12.500-06:002011-05-06T11:39:12.500-06:00Interpol de Americas, can they bust in doors in th...Interpol de Americas, can they bust in doors in the U.S. and Canada or only in Latin America?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-90306850577566155372011-05-06T10:08:54.494-06:002011-05-06T10:08:54.494-06:00I've posted this idea to solve the drug cartel...I've posted this idea to solve the drug cartel problem in Mexico and the surrounding countries before:<br /><br />1. An international police force needs to be created using highly trained personnel from North, Central, and South America. (leadership roles are elected by a body of delegates from each country).<br /><br />2. The police force would have original jurisdiction in any country, when it comes to drug related matters. (absolute authority and use of military elements from the country involved).<br /><br />3. The cartel members caught are charged, tried, and incarcerated in courts and penal institutions located in an isolated areas much like Camp X-ray in Guantanamo, Cuba. (try to bribe your way out of there).<br /><br />This idea would work and ensures far less corruption with the added benefit of cooperation and information sharing with regards to Drug Cartel activity to all affected areas (countries). The Interpol De Americas..lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-89521717112049249012011-05-06T07:51:03.603-06:002011-05-06T07:51:03.603-06:00there was a sign that was hung over a bridge in me...there was a sign that was hung over a bridge in mexico once that told the president that mexico's social peace did not depend on the govt but on the cartels. Nothing could be more true. Calderone had no idea what he was getting into. Cartels governed much of his country. But he also did not start the infighting between the cartels. To blame him for everything and to believe that once he is gone mexico will once again be peaceful is plain ignorance. Just like the ignorance that the mexican people had that by turning away or accepting the cartels as just another business. And the day we stop hearing about dead bodies and firefights then you will know that the cartels won.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-5595501717256601272011-05-06T07:29:56.573-06:002011-05-06T07:29:56.573-06:00Until the Mexican government changes its mentality...Until the Mexican government changes its mentality that the elite are protected while the nonelite are left to die, the violence will never stop. <br />To me, this is a far bigger problem than the drug trade. I believe that legalizing drugs or overhauling the police or negotiating with cartels or anything else will not work when one class of people (usually rich white elites in Mexico apartheid government) is above the law. <br />This general's mentality that the countryside should be turned into a wasteland is typical of a Mexican elite's utter disregard for property rights and citizen law for the nonelite. He blatantly believes that people who have their property turned into a war zone won't turn against the government that took everything away from them. His policy would actually result in a dramatic upswing of violence, at least in my opinion. <br />Until the Mexican elite is removed from power (unlikely since foreign investment continually swells the coffers of the elite), I do not see any end to the violence in Mexico.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-41647356032599333032011-05-06T02:41:14.111-06:002011-05-06T02:41:14.111-06:00The people are smart enough to understand that cur...The people are smart enough to understand that current events happen during a president's term. Whatever has happened to Mexico during Pendejo Calderon's term was caused by him. Mexican's are complacent people and don't like sudden and drastic changes but Calderon suddenly declares a war on the cartels and immediately havoc pursues. That's why I can't wait for the next <br />Mexican president. I know that he will also be incompetent, lazy and corrupt but maybe he will try to bring back the old ways of governing. If this were the U.S., there is no way that the gangs would rule with an iron fist. But this is Mexico. So I agree with TRC that maybe the Mexican government should try to negotiate a truce between the cartels under a new president with the assurance that the cartels will cease violent crimes (including) kidnappings. That would not be considered a surrender. It would only be considered a failure of government if it were to happen during Calderon's leadership. To me, its just commen sense. I cannot imagine any other scenario that Mexico is capable of accomplishing. Sad but true.<br /><br />So let's just wait for Pendejo Calderon to get his own ass out of the presidential house the way George Dubya did so we can make room for a new president with new ideas. A Mexican Obama, who will bring a positive change (hopefully) to Mexico. If that does not happen, then there is nothing else that can be done for poor Mexico.JBLAZEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00743447589981240553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-67347143559727733312011-05-06T00:52:29.434-06:002011-05-06T00:52:29.434-06:00Read "Down by the River" by Charles Bowd...Read "Down by the River" by Charles Bowden. The Mexican Army has routed drugs through Mexico for 30 years. His comment was nothing new.<br /><br />@ Senor del Arranque, I hate to brake the news to you but the Mexico has already lost the war and are the less powerful in this conflict. And many involved in the Army are involved in the crime they are suppose to be at war against.Take a good look at Juarez and you will see.<br /><br />TRCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-68809138169671753492011-05-06T00:04:05.234-06:002011-05-06T00:04:05.234-06:00I can't believe that Mexican generals are seri...I can't believe that Mexican generals are seriously contemplating this. The American army, better trained and using far better technology than anything the Mexican army has could not pacify and hold the country of Iraq. Iraq is about the size of the state of Californa, so it's far smaller than Mexico. Ditto for Afghanistan. There's no way that an army can seal off an area and successfully carry out a cleansing of the cartels that are there.<br /><br />As for the safety of the civilians, the army already can't respond fast enough to protect the citizens. Taking the gloves off only changes the rules of engagement. You still have to get the troops to the AO, and you still have to have up-to-date, accurate intel to know that you need to move to a particular AO. It seems pretty clear that the Mexican army is failing at both the intel collection and at the ability to quickly move troops to an area. <br /><br />Let the drug war come to us? That's already been tried. The reason most of the Meth (aka Crystal Meth) is now made in Mexico is that we waged a very successful war against this and wiped out most of the American makers/dealers. <br /><br />The cartels have already come north, but they know better than to try the crap they are getting away with in Mexico. A 9/11 style attack on a town like they do in Mexico would find them hunted down and killed by locals, LEO's and the US Army. There would be no place to hide, and unlike the suffering Mexicans, we Americans are well armed. <br /><br />Bottom line is that nothing is going to change. Until the Mexican government allows and helps the Mexican people to re-arm themselves and to legally defend themselves against the cartels, nothing will change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-81981773603898327852011-05-06T00:02:46.068-06:002011-05-06T00:02:46.068-06:00It is true that the Mx govt/military must establis...It is true that the Mx govt/military must establish an objective criterion to a declaration of victory--what is it they want to accomplish?--and then go about accomplishing those goals swiftly. (One of the problems the US has is it's inability to clearly define its objectives and then get in and out quickly--10 yrs in Iraq and Afghanistan, come on--that's bullshit!)<br /><br />I also agree that "the MX military could and should be waging a war against crime with their full monopoly of power as a force trained and equipped to face the enemy in direct and extremely violent confrontation." Get in, take back the control in these lawless areas, and get out. During this time the police force should be groomed to go into their towns and act like a police force. With a justice system committed to enforcing the rule of law.<br /><br />And as far as American drug consumption goes, I don't blame the general who said, "It’s fine by me if the drug cartels build a pipeline carrying cocaine direct from Sinaloa to California." The consumption problem IS our problem and we must look at new and different ways of handling this problem including specific requirements of legalization... Again, state the objective and quickly act to achieve specific end results.Kari Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01301038700247894004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5195137745759962560.post-21663550205689115302011-05-05T23:54:16.020-06:002011-05-05T23:54:16.020-06:002 miles of border is going to make a difference ho...2 miles of border is going to make a difference how? theres 10's of thousands of trucks going across every day you cant inspect each one no matter how many people u put on it, its not logistically possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com