Thursday, January 9, 2014

Video Translation: Autodefensa Leader Hipolito Mora Talks about Dr. Mireles Plane Accident

Borderland Beat Translated by Un Vato
 
Note from Chivis: Hipolito Mora, is as powerful a leader as Dr. Manuel Mireles, but not nearly as personable as Dr. Mireles, and largely has remain out of the press.  A few weeks before the accident Dr. Mireles backed away from so many press interviews and Mora began working more directly with the press.  The movement has 13 strong leaders, but Mora and Mireles are obviously the strongest.  has undergone surgery and is now out of danger. 
 
The Federal government says there were no illegal weapons on the plane.  They report that it was Mireles that asked for Federal intervention, security and investigation bypassing the State Government. The government states it is a priority and want to work with the autodefensa and acknowledge their successes and gaining ground against cartels especially Caballeros Templarios.  These groups "have hurt the cartels, particularly the Templars," ........
 
Autodefensa groups have been formed in the cities of Buenavista Tomatlan, Coalcoman, Aguililla, Tepalcatepec, Los Reyes, Chinicuila, Aquila, Paracho, Cheran, La Huacana, Tancitaro, Churumuco and Paracuaro, as well as in a community outside the city of Apatzingan, to fight drug traffickers.  (video at bottom)
 
R = reporter
H = Hipolito Mora Chavez
SD = Self defense forces.

0:06 R: We're following up with this special report on a situation that's tense, complicated in Michoacán and with all that has happened this weekend.  Just like I promised before we took a station break, we have with us, in an exclusive phone interview, Mr. Hipolito Mora Chavez, leader of the SD forces in the township of Felipe Carrillo Puerto, previously known as La Ruana.

Faced with this situation, what is the mood in the townships where the SD forces are present in Michoacán, after the accident suffered by Dr. Mireles?

00:38 H: We are worried about what just happened to him, and I personally pray to God he gets better soon because he's needed. He's a (inaudible) and he's needed for the struggle to continue, for him to continue organizing like he has been doing.

00:58 R: Don Hipolito, is it known with certainty whether it was a mechanical failure that actually caused the accident in which the air taxi in which Dr. Mireles and four other people were traveling? Of Course, there's speculation, so what is the feeling among the Michoacán SD forces on the (causes) of the accident?

01:08 H: Well, I think it was a mechanical failure more than anything else. I can't be totally certain of that, but that's my opinion. I don't think anybody shot at them, or anything like that, but, in any case, we'll know for sure in a few days.

01:35 R: On the other hand, the SD forces entered Parácuaro... In fact, I'm getting information that at this time they are burning vehicles and committing other outrages in the area. What can you tell us about that?

01:49 H: Well, I have also heard about this. Of course, if they're burning vehicles, it's the Caballeros Templarios and not the SD forces.

02:03 R: What is the situation in Parácuaro since the township was occupied?

02:06 H: I haven't gone there myself, so what can I tell you? But I'm sure the residents are happy because that's what all the towns need, to be liberated, so to speak, from being exterminated (inaudible) all of us.

02:30 R: What's the legal situation for Dr. Mireles. Is there any communication between both SD groups?

02:31 H: Yes, there is (communication). I don't know what the legal situation is, but I hope they won't take action against him, and we can go forward.

02:40 R In the event there are criminal charges, what's going to happen?

02:50 H: Well, I hope they don't expect the citizenry to react with joy. On the contrary, I think it would be very dangerous if he were to be arrested. Things are already a little complicated  here in the region. I think it would make things more difficult if they were to arrest him.

03:10 R: Don Hipolito, we have to consider all the scenarios. What would happen if Dr. Mireles were to die? What would happen tomorrow with all the organizations?

03:23 H: He would be missed very much within the movement because he's a fighter, a person who is very involved in what he's doing. He's always at the front, always moving, which is precisely why this happened. He's always going from one place to another, working. If he were to die, it would be very sad for everybody.

04:00 R: Let's go back to Parácuaro; Don Hipolito, you said you yourself have not gone to that township. However, you have heard about the burning of vehicles by organized crime groups. What's next for Parácuaro?

04:15 H: Well, I can tell you that since Parácuaro has been occupied, I'm sure that we're going to move forward. And they will go forward because if, God forbid, Dr. Mireles were to die, or if I were to die, there are a lot of people behind us.


There are many people who are tired like Dr. Mireles and me, tired of the problems that we have in Michoacán. So, if anybody believes that this would end if Dr. Mireles or I were to die, they are mistaken. I am totally certain that this will continue to go forward.

04:58 R: Has what just happened to Dr. Mireles, destabilized the SD organizations?

05:05 H: No, no, no, no, it has not. He's very necessary, but there are many people behind him with the same anger, the same courage as Dr. Mireles. He's not going to not be there. He's strong. He's got to get up from where he is, he's got to return and resume his place.

05:26 R: What will happen tomorrow?

05:35 H: We all feel bad that he's where he is, but we have faith that he'll get up and return to take his place, and we'll go forward. The man is strong. He's skinny, but he's strong. He'll go on...

Parácuaro blockades
05:43 R: Will the SD groups reach the capital of Michoacán?

05:48 H: It may happen. I hope to God it does not, but there's an urgent need ... (inaudible) to tell the President...

06:03 R: Finally, what is the message that Hipolito Mora Chavez, leader of the SD groups, wants to communicate to the citizens, the people of Michoacán, of Mexico, of the U.S. who are watching us right now?

06:14 H: Unfortunately, we've had this problem with Dr. Mireles, who is a man who knows how to fight, who has courage, and whose family, too, has been hurt. Because they killed some of his relatives, and he's hurting, that's why he's fighting, out of anger. So then, despite the problems we have with him, the people should not be discouraged, we should go forward, go forward. And I'm telling the government to try hard to move forward like us.

06:48 R: Don Hipolito, thank you for returning my call and for giving us your comments on what's happening in Michoacán, and, above all, what is happening with Dr. Mireles. Thank you.

07:00 H: Thank you and good afternoon.    

Rally in Parácuaro - Dr Mireles planned to attend before the plane crash
 

41 comments:

  1. God bless mr mireles

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  2. good update, this mora guy seems on the same level as mireles. thank is a relief. i have been reading the michoacan facebook pages because you mentioned them. their are 18 that i found, hundreds of thousands of people on them. they really are grateful for these people.

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  3. For sure Dr Mireles will survive? Did the report say if he will recover 100%? No lingering affects?

    I did research and see the feds are now going back to the community police side. they have investigated the groups and say there is absolutely no connection to organized crime.

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  4. has the chickenshit EPN made any comments about the courages Dr. Mireles??

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  5. Que huevos de estos señores. Mil respetos viejos. Pobres templarias se pasaron de listos y ahora los train muy cortito. salu2 desde chicago a todos

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  6. If something were to happen to Dr. Mireles the movement would grow exponentially!!

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  7. Although Hipolito Mora is as able a man as Dr. Mireles to lead the SDs, he might not possess the organizational and communication skills. His skills make him a unifier of the SDs. His absence could splinter the group and cause the movement to falter.

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  8. Thanks so much un vato for translating... it is good to hear what Mora had to say. It is very encouraging altho there is still a big fight ahead.

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  9. mexicanos al grito guerraJanuary 9, 2014 at 5:49 PM

    Se ocupa respaldar a nuestros hermamos michoacanos. Todo mecicano en cada estado americano. A protestar contra el gobierno mexicano, en sus consulados mexicanos, accion no palabras, se ocupan lideres estatales, y fecha nacional, para un nuevo grito, de basta ala corrupcion, al crimen organizado,

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  10. Is that Johnny Trejo?

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    1. You mean Danny Trejo,yup he looks like him.lol

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  11. What do the autodefensas lack or need? Weapons or money? Food?
    I am sure the are gaining plenty of standard weapoms from all the dead Templarios. But if there is something they lack such as money for advertising via channels in Mexico and the US to raise funds for them it should be done in both countries. There are plenty of American and Mexican people in the US I am sure would donate cash so as to bring security back to Mexico even though they don't live there. Most have family who still does or even Americans who support the cause so they can enjoy Mexico again.
    I would love to be able to help soemthing like that.

    Texas Trader

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    1. Ammo. is needed but do not know the way to get it to them. Check facebook, find Valor por Michoacan SDR.

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  12. Me da mucho gusto ver que Mexico todavia tiene hombres de honor y valor.

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  13. Vivi la auto defensa de michoacan !!!!!!!
    Con puros huevos, corazon y dignidad. Desde Van Nuys California. ....mucho respeto y mis oraciones a todos ustedes.

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    1. Saludos compa desde north hollywood california

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  14. Hipolito doesnt leave la ruana

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  15. No offense to hipolito, but hes no where near the level of dr mireles. No where near

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  16. Thank you for taking the time to translate the videos.
    and thanks to chivis and valorX also for the many articles.

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  17. Dr mireles will be fine in the hospital where he was taking to in mexico city there are 50 federal agents 24/7 protectting him in case of some one try to kill him

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  18. The pictures with them in bullet proof vests and radio communication and guns and tactical gear. Looks just like the cartel minus masks and army fatigues..hmmm...

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    1. Shut up you idiot... theyre not linked at all

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  19. Chivis - this message to Dr Mireles.
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    Very best wishes to Dr. Mireles and Mr. Mora. Many people are watching from the USA and hoping that you succeed in taking back your towns. We are grateful to God that Dr. Mireles has survived his accident and we wish him a speedy recovery. Our best wishes go to all the good people in Mexico who hope for a better life and are willing to fight for it!! from P, CA

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  20. messages will be collected through today and sent on Sunday. thank you!

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  21. to 5;45
    what an ignorant or I should say stupid remark. how the hell are they going to be a police force without those things? Verbalization? They have to protect themselves, they are not stupid like you

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  22. Primer Impacto from Univision/Televisa said the Community Police/Self Defense made the roadblocks in protest that they were being neglected by bus stations. It pissed me off that these stupid networks either don't do their homework or are trying to portray the honest people as criminals.

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  23. LA RAZA DE MODESTO ESTAMOS CON USTED DR. MIRELES, LA GENTE DE ESTADO UNIONS ESTAMOS CON USTED, FAMILA, GENTE, NINOS DE MEXICO NO ESTAN SOLOS, TODO EL MUNDO LOS MIRA.. AUTO DENFENSAS NO DEJAN EL MANDO, SIGUEN, SIGUEN POR EL DR. NO DEJAN LA MISSION. (ANYBODY CAN PICK UP A GUN AND SHOOT BUT IT TAKES COURGE TO STAND UP TO EVIL.)

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  24. @Chivis, I was wondering about freemasons in mexico. I was watching a video of his interview and I could see he was wearing a freemason ring, just wondering what role that must play in his poliical friends. It's the video where he's sitting in a chair.

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  25. something strange has happened ... a whole story has been removed from BB. wonder why?? you don't normally do that stuff.

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    1. I think 'Chivis' erased the story in question because it was well written. She didn't write it.
      Perhaps alittle envy came into play.

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  26. yes, the man is a decent good person always helping in altruistic efforts when here in Modesto. For 10 years his family helped the Red Cross and migrants, Dr Manuel was the president of California Chapter. Good man, look at a mans personal history. Gods blessings on the family

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  27. universal paper says SD is now in 24 municipalities. can someone explain why the numbers are different in reports? are there counts of different standards? I mean like cities vs municipalities or towns or whatever a difference might be? and as far as the vests and radios, I also think that is a rather dumb question. I would hope they would organized efficiently to protect themselves and have a good system of communication. They are sure making some innovative armor vehicles.

    I am thinking you've been listening to that narco plant mr magician
    he is working with someone to spread bullshit. pretty sad. I'll put money that he doesn't live in Michoacan. or Mexico. or maybe you ARE HIM, if yes, you are becoming annoying.

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  28. Xhivis theres a lot going on in apatzingan michoacan cts burnned cars ,trucks,city hall,city library, estores, killed innocent people , handed out fliers blamming self defense groups for it. But the good news the community police just got helped another town around apatzingan antunez is the name of it , cts stronghold apatzingan is sorounded by comunity police forces.

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  29. 12:27 oh yes that's me, don't want my pay to be cut by competition. we are trying to find out what happened to the post. as I told Buggs, it was outstanding and the fotos were unlike any I had seen. I think it will return today

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  30. I know! I am following 10 FB Michoacán pages and Morelia is going nuts and Apatizan. Autodefensas suffered casualties this week , CT suffered a couple dozen in battle but then when they tried to retrieve the vehicles.

    buildings torched including a huge nightclub and countless autobuses and cars. I will try and get something up.

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    1. Chivis valor por michoacan sdr and policia comunitaria de tepalcatepec , are some of the best ones and there are also cts fb pages which only talks shit and lies about the autodefensas like corridos templarios and voz ciudadana de michoacan

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  31. The government states it is a priority and want to work with the autodefensa and acknowledge their successes and gaining ground against cartel ! That's awesome

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  32. Hey Chivis just got back from Mexicali, I was watching the Milenio news and they're reporting that there are cilvilians are protesting against the auto-defensas and setting up road-blocks. Is this true?

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  33. @ 11:51

    Yes and no. Some people are scared shitless, wouldn't you be? By the autodefensas arriving some citizens expect harsh violence if the autodefensas come to throw CT out. But fact is, autodefensas outnumber ct by 95% mas o menos. so there really has not been but a few innocents hurt. But there remains a fear in some. After the city is freed they are elated.

    Autodefensas set up a road block in Parácuaro and parts of apatzingan to keep ct out of liberated municipalities. The feds also set up roadblock and closed toll booths, and CT have been blocking by fires for days..

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