Saturday, August 31, 2013

Wikileak Memo: Obama Refused DEA Permission to Assassinate Chapo

BorderlandBeat.Com Posted on Forum by Siskiyou Kid
 
Stratfor Memos Leaked By WikiLeaks Show US DEA Was Refused White House Permission To Kill Drug Kingpin Joaquín Guzmán Loera

By David Iaconangelo,

If one high-ranking employee with the global intelligence firm Stratfor is to be believed, not only did the US Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) once know the whereabouts of Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán - the Sinaloa drug cartel kingpin and fugitive from justice in Mexico - but the agency even asked the White House to go into Mexico to kill him.  
 
Among the 5 million "Stratfor memos" published by WikiLeaks in 2012 are several messages from Fred Burton, vice president of intelligence and top expert on Mexican drug cartels for Stratfor, describing classified interactions from 2007 to 2011 between Mexican and US intelligence and even President Barack Obama's response to the 2010 DEA query.  Guzmán, one of the most powerful of Mexico's cartel capos, was sentenced to over 20 years in prison in 1993 on drug trafficking charges but escaped by bribing a prison guard.  He remains a fugitive from justice.

The first of the messages from Burton came on November 2, 2007.  "If the DEA can specifically locate the Sinaloa boss El Chapo, he will be assassinated," Burton wrote.  "A decision memo has been authorized to take him out, as a national security threat."  WhoWhatWhy, an investigative journalism website, writes that the "decision memo" could refer to a decision within the DEA pending approval from the National Security Council, or a memo indicating the Bush administration - still in office at that time - could have approved the plan.

Whatever the case was, a DEA operation was never carried out.  But Burton later says, in a February 2010 email, that the DEA "had a window of opportunity to render El Chapo" but the White House "would not let them do it", quipping, "God forbid we upset our lovely MX neighbors".  In a July 2010 email, he expounds a bit on what happened, writing, "DEA Special Ops submitted a finding to go into MX to whack El Chapo. Obviously, the decision came back as no. Never made it past the deputies committee."

The intelligence VP ends the email striking a pose of nonchalance toward the Obama administration's apparent rejection of the DEA request in that message.  "As Gomer Pyle would say, 'Surprise, surprise'" he writes.  That attitude might be explained by the last of the memos on El Chapo, coming in April 2011, when Burton says, "Obama won't approve a finding for covert action inside MX based on 'moral ground'", adding that then-Mexican President Felipe Calderón "has told a few that violence has reached a point that he would turn a blind eye to unilateral CIA or DEA actions, if they wanted to go down that path, as long as he has 'plausible deniability.'"

Close cooperation between US and Mexican intelligence agencies has been a politically sensitive one in Mexico.  Under the Calderón administration, the agencies were known to have collaborated to an unprecedented degree - though perhaps not to the extent that the Stratfor memos suggest.  But the administration of current president Enrique Peña Nieto, who came into office in December 2012, has tried to wedge out old space.  And the opposition on the Mexican left denounces such collaboration as an incursion on Mexican sovereignty, a claim which Obama dismissed in a May trip to Mexico as "a distortion".

Burton also details ways in which the DEA might have gone about killing the Mexican drug lord. "One of the scenarios discussed to kill El Chapo or other Zeta HVT's [high-value targets] was a 1000 yard head shot by a U.S. shooter, to plant the seed of paranoia in the minds of the narcos as to who pulled the trigger.

"CIA 'Ground Branch' assets and/or DEA SO [Special Operations] have stated they have the ability and intelligence to pull it off without getting caught."
 
WIKILEAKS:
 
Re: INSIGHT - Mexico/Guatemala - cartel activity
Released on 2013-02-13 00:00 GMT

Email-ID

1135481

Date

2010-02-24 15:27:59

From

burton@stratfor.com

To

reva.bhalla@stratfor.com, secure@stratfor.com
Very good report.

DEA also believes El Chapo is in the same area, so that could be
"circular information".

DEA had a window of opportunity to render El Chapo but the WH would not
let them do it. God forbid we upset our lovely MX neighbors.

I've never seen the wife of the Guat Prez alleged links to the Zetas. I
can verify that if desired?

Reva Bhalla wrote:

> PUBLICATION: Background/analysis
> ATTRIBUTION: STRATFOR source
> SOURCE DESCRIPTION: MX defense/intel source
> SOURCE RELIABILITY: B
> ITEM CREDIBILITY: 3
> SUGGESTED DISTRIBUTION: secure
> SOURCE HANDLER: Reva..........continues on next page

> We believe el Chapo is currently hiding out in Petén, Guatemala near the
> Mexican border. Starting in about 2006, los Zetas and Sinaloa smashed
> the existing Guatemalan cartels in the north and took over. From
> 2004-2006 the Guatemalan military was reduced from 25,000-15,000. This
> was part of the peace accords. A lot of these guys who lost their
> positions in the military went into police, a lot went into organized
> crime and a lot went to Mexico. From there you could see the influx of
> the cartels.

> I can tell you that the Mexican army has presented very detailed plans
> to Calderon on plans for a major offensive against the cartels,
> identifying exactly which nodes they have to hit, artillery positions,
> etc. it was all mapped out. Calderon is strongly against it though. He
> doesn't want to give the army that power, doesn't want to deal with the
> backlash, and the biggest question is, who then controls the trade if
> you take out these guys? the demand for drugs doesn't just go away.

> The cartels, particularly los Zetas, are operating with the help of
> Sandra Torres de Colom - wife of Guatemalan pres who really calls the
> shots. There's a lot of suspicion that she is a former guerrilla (URNG)
> and has installed her relatives and other guerrillas in the government
> and intelligence apparatus. She doesn't have support of the military,
> who as you say is taking the side of the landowners who oppose her. She
> would like to become president but there is a clause in the constitution
> that prohibits any 'relative' of the president from running. She could
> work around this by a) changing the constitution b) claiming she's not a
> blood relative so therefore she is eligible or c) maybe even divorce the
> guy.

> The Mexican army is attempting to gain better control over its air space
> through radars and other systems to interdict the flow of drugs via air.
> While it's easier for the cartels to simply take the product straight to
> the US, it's risky. So, it's easier for them to buy one way tickets up
> the supply chain, from Colombia to Venezuela to Guatemala and then from
> there take it over by land into MX and across the border it goes into
> the US. MX wants Guatemala to also improve its control over its airspace
> to help patch up coverage over this border but Colom continues delaying
> any deals to obtain these systems. (went over the specs of what
> Guatemala has, essentially not enough). Of course there is a lot of
> corruption involved but in one of these deals the Brazilians were
> providing them credit and everything to make it go through. Still
> nothing happens. (he is implying that Colom doesn't want to enhance
> security along the border)

 

Source:Latin Times

151 comments:

  1. residente de tijuanaAugust 31, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    this is fckn embarrasing WOW!!!! how diry is the us goverment but they eazly blame mexico for everything make you wonder if hey knew about 9-11 i still feel bad for those people could the US found out by so call fckn drones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    1. They didn't assasinate Chapo because the U.S and Mex benifit from his currency! Money talks and Chapo has the money to prove it. One day money won't protect him though.

      Ps: I don't support cartels.

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    2. Our government is as dirty, if not worse, than the countries we condemn. If you think out govt isn't scary & shady, our not reading about our country on foreign websites. We are slowly slipping into tyranny and no one is noticing because of all the bad things we are constantly bombarded with. Personally I cannot understand why anyone wants to come here, I would like to leave. It's more dangerous here than people think, & if you're not wealthy it's really bad. It doesn't matter who the president is, they are all the same. Now Chapo, etc owe Obama a favor back right? He let him live so...

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    3. El chapo smokes jamaican and buys meth from asians.

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  2. Can't help thinking that whilst the ok wasn't given to kill Chapo, it was for Lazca!

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    1. that shows who gets respect;not the zetas,they lost lazca the independent boss and z40 in two years and a half,and money,ranches and horses in usa,all the richess stolen from partners,friend and foe,who will pay their families their benefits now?

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  3. Another great decision by our asshole president who as we speak is about to go and bomb Syria because it attacked Syria, so he must kill those Syrians who killed other Syrians, and arm and train the Syrians to kill the Syrians so that Al Qaeda can officially run the country. Right now he just told the world that we have six warships ready to go between now and whenever. When did a Commander in Chief tell the bad guys his plans? I'd rather have Mexico's corrupt president than our current corrupt president.

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    1. You're a dumb dummy with that comment. Pendejo

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    2. Obama owes a favor to Israel so he's going to push this ahead, but then Israel will get attacked by Iran and we'll have to jump in there to rescue Israel. Israel is behind this & we're going to be boots on the ground over them eventually. We need a complete revolution. Why can't Mexico clean it up so I can relocate there.

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    3. 3:32 before you barking up a storm, Obama is the President ,yes..BUT he can't do shit without a vote from congress.. its not just he's fault.. its the dirty ass government we have.. And come on everyone knew Obama was dirty when he enter into office he's first term.. The Flores twins in Chicago would sponsor him when he was a senator.. and As for Syria , the US needs toond they're own business.. We have understand that' all this middle eastern countries have been killing each other since the beginning of time.. we are billions , if not trillions of dollars in debt , we can't affort another war.. Not only that, what about all our troops been slaughter out there , for a war that had nothing to do with us in the first place..Hey Obama are YOUR daughters gonna inlist??

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    4. The president of the US has unlimited, and unilateral power to bring the nation to war. obtaining permission to go to war from congress is constitutionally mandated, but unfortunately has been systematically ignored. The last time a president went to congress for a war vote was Franklin Roosevelt in WWII. Obama is did approach congress for a vote on Syria, but make no mistake that its simply more of a gesture than procedure at this point.

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  4. chapo is gonna be the trophy of obama and pena nieto in their way out, but that's not gonna changed a damn thing, other people are gonna take his place in a never ending cycle, politician are the worst, they are ok with the existence of druglors so they can ask for a lot of money (your money) to fight them, but they always make deals with them, so best thing to do: stop getting high

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    1. Finally some body is thinking smart stop getting high stop buying and hopefully problem solved

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    2. @10:30 p.m NOT ME!! them assholes would be on food stamps if everyone was like me as them assholes dont make one freakin nickel off of me! Drugs are stupid and make ppl do stupid things!!!!!

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  5. El Bravo and los Talibanes will not let anyone assasinate al Patron Chapo Guzman.Obama knows better he wont attack Syria .Syria would attack Israel .Israel would pulversise Syria but that would make Iran join the war.Hammas terrorist would attack Israel and USA.No arab nation will assist USA (airspace money) if Israel is part of war.I forgot China and Russia would not allow USA to invafe Syria.President Assad is bad but the rebels fighting him are AL Qaeda oh I forgot Al Qaeda are CIA (database) operators..Ignorant Americans!!! Arriva El Jefe Chapo Guzman .

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    1. Ignorant americans? If we wanted to kill El Chapo he would be dead. Period. You think 400 non-trained kids would stop Seals, Delta, ground-branch etc.? Wake-up bro...Chapos people wont be fighting other "cartel kids" with beat-up AKs making $400 bucks a week. Who's ignorant??? Go listen to more corridos bro!!!!

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    2. Yeah tell that to the taliban with their old ass ak-74's or 47's.

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    3. Haha you won't be fighting idiots in turbans and in sandals when you go look for Chapo you fool!

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  6. Instead of killing drug lords they should assasinate drug addicts

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  7. Real World MEMO: Chapo is a teflon Don

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    1. Yeah dey dont want it

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    2. Omg that is so awesome!

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  8. Hahahaha thanks for the info guys hey spector were u at bro i told u things are not like u think ive been tellig u guys from the start the U.s goberment and the mexican goberment are in this together money and control is what they want thats why there going after the Zetas... the sinaloas and the Golfos will take over mexico and try to keep it peacefull that way money and drugs keep flowing the Americans love drugs anyway there it is for everyone to see finally the thuth is Obama and Pena nieto are hooking up with mayo and chapo in the mountains snorting coke and laughfing at everyone .. Welcome to the real worl att El Fantasma

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    1. Learn how to write first of all

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    2. Sounds about right! Even though it dont:)

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  9. C.D.S and Knigths Templar rule Mexico ! Period !

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  10. Hey they don't call him President O-BOMB-YA for nothing!!! Who would have ever thought they would be arming Al Qaeda again. Guess they didn't learn the first time around or they are one and the same. What, Mexicans are killing each other? SEND GUNS!!! What, Syrians are killing each other too? SEND GUNS!!!! LOL What a world we live in. The biggest terrorist nation on the planet wants us to believe they are the "WORLD POLICE"...





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    1. U don't like USA go to Mx , it's ur president that messed things up, if ur gonna complain, complain to ur country

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    2. How do you even no he is Mexican ? Llol .. you go back to Mongolia, for being a dumb f*%#...

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  11. AS an american i really don't see chapo is a danger to american citizens he is just a dirty drug dealer who live's in the mountains, hell escobar made chapo look like an angel thats escobar he had to be taken out, those morons who run Washington are the real danger of hurting our country,

    Also the only real capo that mexico ever caught was the Beltran guy and nacho C, almost everyone else they either turn them self in or the mexican army caught them by dumb luck

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    1. You forgot BENJAMIN ARELLANO.. NOW THAT MAN WAS REAL CAPO

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    2. Other way around..Chapo makes Pablo look like an angel.

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    3. Yeah specially in this days and times

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    4. nenitas...little girls,REAL CAPOS,are very anonimous,so much that nobody knows their names,they are not on any wanted lists,I hope you get to marry one...

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  12. Funny how everybody claims Calderon was on Chapo's payroll but with no proof. However, these leaked cables clearly indicate Calderon green-lighted the potential operation. Calderon was like Bush, he had balls. Willing to do unpopular shit cause it was the right thing to do. Obama's a pussy. A black dude that grew up in Hawaii and went to prep schools and now tries to identify with the plight and struggle of colored people. The only thing funnier is how minorities in the US actually buy in to this shit. Unbelievable. This fuckin' guy has to ask congress first before he can even bomb Syria? No balls.
    And EPN? Forget for a second this dude looks like a Mexican Ken doll and talks tough.
    Ask the communitarian police that have to protect their own towns with shotguns and pistols and beat up piece of shit autos against multi-million dollar cartels in convoys of 15-20 brand new trucks and seemingly unlimited supplies of weaponry, ammunition and shooters. They'll tell you all you need to know about EPN.
    The conversation goes on, and Chapo continues to reign supreme...

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  13. Wow, @ 3:32. Your a fucking idiot. You would rather have that corrupt president than ours. Your talking about let the Syrians' kill Syrians'. Normally that would be a fair statement, but when you have them lining up with Iran and other stupid countries, that becomes our problem too. He has officially gased his people. We went into Iraq with just the notion that they had wmds', now theres an asshole that we can prove did it, and you say dont go in there. And that why I say your a fucking idiot. And as for chapo, yea, they should have just ket them pull the trigger and let them all squirm like ants scrathing their heads wondering who did it.

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  14. There is to much to risk if they do it without mexicos permission the friendship and restructions imports exports will be put on the line and that will affect both economy's really bad its all about the money thats why this country friends respect each other a lot.

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    1. Ohh, so your saying the u.s and mexico are freinds with benefits?

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    2. Mexico is more like that other woman nobody admits to have a relationship with,inspite of all the proof and evident spills,maybe that is why Mexicans get treated like bastards,even by our own government.

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  15. This is just a distraction ploy by the DEA to make it appear that the they are actually trying to catch or actually found Chapo Guzman. Either that or they are playing psychological games with chapo making him think the DEA knows where he is at in the hope he makes a dumb mistake and exposes himself. No doubt if the CIA wanted him dead he would be. However, isn't the objective of the DEA and Mx. govt. is to catch him alive. Then again if they would catch him alive he could reveal all the facts about the people who protected him and aided his cartel in trafficking large amounts of drugs. I think the DEA, CIA, Mexico/ U.S.A. govts. would rather have Chapo remain on the loose or dead - not alive and in custody.

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  16. Ha! DEA assassinating El Chapo? It'll take the Marine Corps to take down El Chapo's empire. DEA would fail so miserably.

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    1. One in the same, it's all under the same umbrella.DEA and the Marine Corps work together.

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  17. If Chapo is brought down the Zetas become the most powerful Cartel. Think about it, CDS Is the least brutal of the two, so imo they would rather have CDS running things in MX than the Zetas

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  18. LMAO. Way to bring Syria into this discussion. A bit off topic wouldn't you say?
    Good thing the Obama admin denied the DEA. They're like small children who don't get enough candy. Sometimes they need to be told NO. We need El Chapo to get rid of these horrible zetas and monopolize the trade he's in.

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  19. From what understand. Chapo was killed in Guatemala not to long ago : was he a dea informant ? Or a pjr informant ? You be the judge. Is zambada on informant ? You be the judge , but I'm pretty sure chapo guzman was killed in Guatemala ,

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  20. U guys are all confuse. Chapo was unfortunally killed in guatemala

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    1. sssh! keep quiet,I am in jail but they don't know because of the plastic surgery,Manana salgo y al party! PS. me parcheal z40 por dos cigarros... atte. EL CHAPO

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  21. Changing the subject for a minute...

    Did you see the photo of Mayito I posted? its on the post of his capture. these guys never look anything as the old known foto

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    1. Do they ALL have surgeries?

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    2. Of course ,they dont want to keep the same appearances

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  22. Hey Chivis yur todally right about that i thought the same thing ... Yur Friend.. The Ghost

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  23. Who order the hit ? No one knows from what I know it was the guatemalan army and the guatemalans president wife is affiliated to los zetas , you be the judge chapo was not needed by the deaciafbi

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  24. Hey froy ur just falling into the gobermentes plan making u think chapos dead hahaha it was all planed anyway .. God bles this crazy world

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  25. El mayito must have been misbehaving

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  26. 826pm you are correct , but I think they alteady took him out with the supposly Guatemala kaibiles , I'm sure if they did la procuradoria was not happy . I wonder maybe that's why they are releasing all the god fathers

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    1. Este wey anda alucinando. ¡Guatemala me la pela! Si Guatemala era capturado al Chapo, ya lo era anunciado con la presentacion del cadáver or el mismísimo Guzman vivo. Era hacido un gran logro para el país tercer mundista como Guatemala. ¡El Chapo tiene más dinero ke ni el gobierno de Guatemala wey! ¡Ya les era partido la madre y el fundió como se los a hecho a los Carrillo Fuentes o Beltran Leyva¡ El Chapo y el CDS tiene más dinero ke todo Centro América combinado. ¡El CDS rifa con el jefe de jefes y su gente de confianza como el Bravo, el Pinguino, el Cholo, y los Talibanes viejon! ¡El pinche gobierno ni puedo capturar al Pitufo de Tuta ke se esconde en tierra caliente y creen ke
      pueden con el Chapito, guste a kien le guste a cualquier joto hijo de puto envidioso!

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    2. los guatemalas,would rather have z40(la tetanic) for all the guatemalas the zetas killed in Mexico, and the kaibiles working for los zetas too

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  27. @8:45pm I would rather neither,and have un-corrupted government officials doing their jobs.

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  28. People barely finding out how the world operates and blame the president thinking this is brand new.

    Welcome to the real world fellas. In my 20 years alive on this earth, I've learned everything and everyone has a motive, and mainly its always greed behind that motive.

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    1. 20 yrs? Thats it? U havent lived long enough to know everything no one knows everything.hell i probably got socks older than you lol!!!

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  29. before you barking up a storm, Obama is the President ,yes..BUT he can't do shit without a vote from congress.. its not just he's fault.

    Actually under the law, Obama can do anything he wants with the military, including hit Syria with an airstrike but he has to receive authorization from Congress to continue after 90 days.

    The way the upcoming operation has been described, the bombing will last considerably less than 90 days.

    Saturday's press conference was Obama asking Congress voting an Authorization to Use Military Force to get him out of political trouble with his leftist base for his "red line" remark he made a year ago.

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    1. Isn't this due to the Patriot Act?

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  30. @ 9:11. They never do. Can't wait to see what chapo looks like when the DEA takes him down....errrrr, nevermind.

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  31. hope the zetas find that little turd called chapo,he started all this.

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    1. keep hoping guey,I have not seen reports of chapo paying piso or charging plaza,only the hungry dogs do that, the pinchi zetas,their sicarios charge the eloteros,paleteros,everybody must pay the"zetas".chapo's orders I guess...pendejo!

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  32. Maybe obama was looking at what would happen if he got killed maybe more drugs and violence spilling over to the u.s.a so i do not think he was against it maybe just do it with out knowing. What i think happen when it came out that el chapo was killed in guatemala in el peten i actually think maybe it was el chapo that
    Got killed and then the u.s.a stole the body pretend it was a rumor so his rivals and his own people will not start more violence but little by little chapos people are getting killed or captured.

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  33. Obama is a corrupt Chicago-style politician. He needs cartel money to flow to the Democratic Party for electoral campaigns.

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  34. The WH wants to pick winners and losers in this business as in every other business they can get their hands on.

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  35. El Chapo paid off obama

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  36. StratFor likes to sensationalize / dramatize information.

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  37. @ 7.27pm poster
    Assad Alawite regime protects Christians.
    Would you rather have CIA backed Al Qaeda masquerading as Syrian Free Army run Syria and execute Christians?

    Dumb ass, ask yourself why a Assad would gas children if he is a protector of his people?
    Why do it now when he has never done it before. Al Qaeda marks all over it (the gassing).
    Where's the proof Assad did it? The inspectors got shot at when they tried to inspect an area which is meant to be controlled by Al Qaeda (Syrian Free Army).

    Bloodthirsty American is what you are. Innocents, real people like you with feelings are going to get their lives taken away.

    As for Chapo = Cali cartel(bribery)
    Zetas= Medellin Cartel (violence)
    Keep doin what your doin Chapo.
    Police of the World my ass, your day will come.

    Kick out Assad place Al Qaeda then get Isreal and Syria into a war.

    Hopefully Syria's Russian made anti missile defense stacks up against the Americans.
    (if it comes to that, hope it doesn't though for Syrian people's stake)

    During which real people with feelings, dreams, jobs, lives get killed, maimed, displaced, lose loved ones. Yeah real nice O-Dumm-a.

    Chehcens, Libyians, Turks, Saudi's, Albanians, the lot are there in Syria on a jihad on Americans side against Assad and the people of Syria. Maybe one day there will come to the benefactor's country (USA).

    I dont hate the USA, just hate innocents people getting their lives turned upside down or taken away. Wrong is wrong even if its the USA doing it. Why back Al Qaeda terrorists who are willing to gas children, are you fuckin nuts Obama? You need your head examined. Fuck collateral damage this is real lives, extinguished forever.

    What you sow you will reap America.

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    1. America is a continents...

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    2. Assad started using gas because the rebels were closing in on his wifes favorite shopping malls. She spends around 10 grand a day buying luxary goods online while her husband gasses innocents so the rebels cant advance on Damascus. That whole country should be turned into a glass factory.

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    3. @1:43a.m 95 percent of the american public is completely and ABSOLUTELY 100 percent against attacking syria.we need to stay the hell out of the middle east as these ppl have been fighting since the beginning of time.as far as the cartels go we need to do something about them as they are an immediate problem for our country just dont know how you stop corruption on both sides of the border!!!

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    4. America is USA, you idiot. North America and South America are the continents. Why do liberals and latinos say this bullshit. Seriously you guy's need to go back school.

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    5. So Columbus discovered the USA? AMERICA IS A CONTINENT DUMBSHIT

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    6. carlos slim,like many other rich messicans is an a rab,I don't know if they are practicing Moslems,but their one true religion is money,in their pockets,you will get yours if you get in their way...no think sooo?all the big business in Monterrey,Arab property too

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  38. Alawite make up 10% or so of Syria's population, ask yourself why the majority Sunni's support Assad and the Syria Army and are against the CIA backed Al Qaeda FSA (Free Syrian Army)?
    Assad must be doing the right thing by Syrian Sunni, Alawites, and Christians to have their support.
    The gassing was done cause Assad's forces were kicking ass and had Al Qaeda FSA on the back foot (were beating them and regaining areas).

    So the Americans give the green light to gas children.

    Why were inspectors shot at when they tried to inspect the site when the area is meant to be controlled by Al Qaeda FSA? Cause they dont want the inspectors confirming Assad had nothing to do with it.

    "GOD Damn America" Rev. White (Obama's former religious minister)

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    1. The Iraq war was for all practical purposes a chemical attack on the nation of Iraq. The U.S. military utilized munitions that were uranium depleted, and who for the most part contaminated Iraqi territory. So much so that the women of Fallujah are being told not to have babies lest they come out deformed. That would be hypocritical of the U.S. to attack Syria on the pretext of an accusation of a chemical attack for something we are guilty of. This is just an excuse to intervene in a civil war inorder to remove a dictator for geopolitical interests, or for the interests of some powerful elite. What I can tell you is that the alliance the Assads have, beginning with Hafez, had with the Russians is paying off. The Syrians
      have an alliance with Russia that goes back a half-century to the days of the cold war; thus, any measure that might be proposed by the UN's security council would be blocked by Russia - they hold
      a permanent seat. It would be interesting to see if the U.S. acts unilaterly even with
      congressional approval. It doesnt look good for the Syrian rebels.

      The Alawite control of Syria has benefited the Iranians geopolitical interests in their hopes of championing the Muslims resistence against U.S. interests in the region and Israels presence in what was ancient Canaan. Syria is used as a base to attack Israel through the Iranian backed Hezbollah and Hamas organizations. The removal of the minorty Alawite from power might bring a new partnership to peace in the mid east since Iran's allies would no longer have the base of support from Syria. Then again it could exacerbate and spread the conflict if Al Qaeda fills the power vacuum that the removal of Bashar would bring. There is more to this than just Syria. Then end game could be the appearance of the bringing of so-called democracy to the Middle East and the creation of a Palestinian state. This has all the markings of geopolitics and religion.

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  39. Since when BB readers became intelligence officers hahahah bunch of pathetic loosers

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  40. He is a constitutional lawyer bro, i'm pretty sure he knows exacly how the gears of govt work, and i betting he knows how things work a bit more than any of us. maybe someone actually made an informed decision about how probably and not just maybe shit in mexico would get if the big fsh got taken out as opposed to arrested. you giys talk all kinds of bullshit you would do, we'll run for office and stop whining about how they are coming to take you to jail..

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  41. Oh so that`s why the US doesn`t spend 15 minutes on killing Chapo, it`s not that they can`t, they dont want to. Very disappointing.

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  42. Thank u obama and bush for not killing chapo. The zetas would b in control of mexico and chaos would be uncontrollable. Obama does not need permission from anybody to bomb syria, he just doesn't give a rats ass about them so he's lettn congress make the call. Why not keep his own hand clean. Luv u buelita, g

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  43. I think Obama was right.

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  44. It is more intriguing as to the final decision of Mr. Obama.

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  45. Chapo is a snitch and a traitor

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  46. Assasinate Guzman?Any of you fuckin fools who agree with extra judicial murder are worse sheep than i imagined,and as for Syria,you really need to take the time to find out for yourselves whether or not you are being manipulated to a certain extent for political reasons?
    Find out what the Syrian people feel about the FSA(Rebels)find out about the weapons they have,and where they got them from?
    Assasinate Guzman?For what?Some of you people really do need to get out more.

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  47. Thanks to all the REALLY STUPID, UNEDUCATED PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR OUR IDIOT PRESIDENT.
    HOW IS IT WORKING FOR YOU ALL
    ?????????????????????????

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      I voted for obama and it's working out pretty good but I feel bad for those who voted for w.

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    2. that idiot president is pena nieto,right?he no can read,he no rememba'how he killed his wife,he no know Salinas hand is up his ass,he only knows atracomulco's Bible..money,money no money!

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  48. The guns were fast and furious was funnel to el zapo from odumber

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    1. Zapata,the us agent was killed by zetas,orders of El chapo?,also the weapons program was started under GEORGE W BUSH, to help out his weapons manufacturing friends get some of that dirty narcos' money,are you a millionaire?or you just a robot,your ignorance shows,get informed bitch...

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  49. Yeaaa shure they killed chapo in Guatemala ... In a little gun batle with like 3 guys and 5 police men okay okay ... Hahahahaha the goberment controlls weak minds i think people would know if chapo was dead and trust me judging by what i see and reed and all the new corridos that are coming out el chapo is more powerfull and protected then ever ... Thanks to E.P.N and Obama (check out this corrido about guzmans people "el panu" jesus ojeda)

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  50. We might be going through profettic times right in from of our eyes

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    1. @12:02p.m u r exactly right.all of this is spelled out in the book of revelation,daniel and ezekiel.what they say is exactly whats happening right now.dont believe it? Read it and youll see!!

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  51. Fsa army are doing what the Jewish judiasm want and that's kill as many criatians as they can , fsa are terrorist organizations used by our own goverment , unfortunally we are israels bitch and for beneffit of the withe anglo alite, exxample look how many people died in the war on drugs , Iraq, lybia and now Syria , millions more will die and most of them are cristians , about Obama he can't hide the fact that he is Muslim his brother is a leader of the Muslim brotherhood ,(Mabus?) open your eyes people of the world this guy is going to start world war 3 , and the it will be to late ,because Russia and China are watching very closely , they have armament and technology animaginable ,,,

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  52. no matter who the president is republican or democrat....we should not be invaders of other countries sovereign territory....and then what happens next.....someone else takes his place and we go in and kill one more, then another one ...and then we keep killing...them off right...NO...we would not be no different than the ZETAS or the cartels that engage in killing innocent people....we need to attack corruption in mexico...pay better salaries for everyone not just police officers....

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  53. Geez let Chapo do his thing. People drugs will ALWAYS be a big business and someone has to supply them. So knock a guy for that, everyone needs to make a living somehow and for the some say its bullshit. If you have 5-10mil you could make wait let me guess you wouldnt do it right. Yeah okay! Snitch whatever! Killings is only thing I dont agree with however I do understand that its part of the business.
    The US says shit to make us think one that when really they have NO INTENTION of taking him out. This is my opinion on this

    Vegas Guys

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    1. a cartel,is chartered,the zetas just took and took from somebody else,and will last that much,Texas carwashing gangster style...no good for narcos

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  54. I heard they got Betty la fea

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  55. 9:04 pm, what do you know about Jimmy Hoffa ?

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  56. Chapo sure has a affable face. Wondering if the billionaire status is true?

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  57. Look, the US government does NOT want the war on drugs to end. In fact, it adds fuel to it every once in a while to not let it die down. Remember the US Federal operation dubbed "Fast and Furious" that allowed weapons from the U.S. to end in Mexico? What bone head could have thought that something "good" could come out of putting automatic assault weapons in the hands of criminals that are often drug junkies and/or without much higher than an elementary education at best? The U.S. is after Mexico's oil and its very close to getting it. The U.S.failed to get it with Felipe Calderon but is closer to getting it with Enrique Pena Nieto. Neither won the Mexican presidency(and the U.S. knows it) but the U.S. presidents quickly congratulated them. Felipe Calderon won by .54% of a point over AMLO and the U.S. government was OK with it even though there was a lot of proof of open boxes with votes exchanged with ridiculous numbers that did not match the votes it was legally suppose to have. Yet, months after the election in Venezuelan they refuse to recognize Maduro because "he only won by 2%"? That's almost 1.5% more than what Felipe Calderon supposedly won the Mexican presidency but it was OK then? The U.S. government instead of helping the Mexican people, as it claims its doing in Syria and in Iraq, it acknowledged those thieves(presidents) to have a saying in Mexico. When the U.S. takes PEMEX and Mexico gets into a bigger hole because of it we will see mexicans come to the USA in numbers never seen before. I hope you don't blame the mexicans but instead put the blame where it belongs with the government of the United Stames of America.

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  58. Even if u were to kill chapo, wat u gonna do with zambada and all the cds leadership.its still gonna remain in tact.if u impose the death penalty and use it in mexico the people will get the point,and the youth will veer away from crime.i dnt know enough about syria to make an intelligent opinion so ill just keep my mouth shut.

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  59. @ September 1, 2013 at 1:51 AM
    "Since when BB readers became intelligence officers hahahah bunch of pathetic loosers"

    Your BB reader too so that makes you a "looser[sic]" too :)

    No less wieght than fabricated govt intelligence officers reports eg: reasons to attack Saddam, Assad, and many times before and since

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  60. @ 1:51 AM "Since when BB readers became intelligence officers hahahah bunch of pathetic loosers"

    Prove me wrong "looser"[sic]

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    1. loose your ass,everybody was more mellow when the grifa was mixed with donkey dung and cowpie in your parents time,problem is how you turned out,star critic of us,the bb inteligence afficers,you too pretty for us,why?did they beat you everyday and rape you every other moment when you was little? because you too pretty?

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  61. "Syria's Parliament raised the memory of the "dodgy dossier" which Blair's critics say falsely helped lead Britain to invade Iraq."
    CNN

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  62. Shut up bunch of crack heads
    I vote for la Tuta

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  63. Yes vote for putin for president of the united states

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    1. He is handsome & buff..hmmm

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    2. @5:49 p.m u usin the cartels products man? That comment sounded like u smoked waaay too much!!!

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  64. FFFF that corrupted weak president Obama,,, VIVA ROMNEY! chapo aint no diferent to Osama and escobar, navy seals #1, hahahaha bravo and talibanes will take care of the seals, that dude was smoking cherms what he said on his comment...bravo aint nobody to usa trained elite military!!!

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    1. Romney was a ringer. Romney is the same as Obama on many issues. He never planned to win the Presidency. Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, those guys won't pull this Obsma type crap. Most likely all this Syria crap is to get out minds off Bengazi so Hillary Clinton leaving our people to be slaughtered won't seem like a big deal and she can run for president.

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    2. Omg! Chapo won't get killed he is too strong

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  65. @ 7:00PM

    where did you see those percentages?
    it is 80% that want congress to vote on it not that they are against hee are the hard poll numbers:

    50% against involvement
    40% support

    but when the question is asked "do you support strikes from US Ships and no boots on the ground or planes involved" it reverses:

    50% support
    40% do not


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    1. It might start with no boots on the ground, but it won't stay like that. This is all part of a master plan they've been working on for years. There is a YouTube of Gen. Wesley Clark saying it clearly. The govt has a plan to take out the middle eastern leaders. Dark times ahead I'm afraid. I believe one day it will be here and no one is prepared for that.

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    2. @chivis i was just guessing on the percentage but where i live i dont know one single person who supports that.while it is terrible what happened to those ppl getting gassed this would be one of the worst things the u.s could do right now as that is an unwinnable situation.they are not fighting for money like the narcos but for religion and it has always been that way there with no end

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  66. Not a 1000 shot. It would be a 3600 yard shot from a .408

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  67. Expect Hamas and Hezbollah to begin raining rockets on Israel inorder to provoke a response from the IDF;hence, to assist Assad in turning Arab public opinion in his favor. The peace process between Israel and Palestinians is moving in a too slow of pace for the Arab publics liking. Why is the U.S. so quick to want to attack a Arab country for a recent single terrorist attack when the Palestinians have been living under a terrorist occupation for 36 years. The U.S. govt. needs to stop the hypocracy it practices in response to terrorism from Arab nations, while at the same time ignoring the terrorism of Israel.
    .

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    1. You kill Chapo and all of Mexico will explode no doubt about it. Violence would spike ten fold.

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  69. this inquiring mind wants to know what you, chivis, think about the chapo assassination, for or against?

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  70. @3:49 PM "Assad started using gas because the rebels were closing in on his wifes favorite shopping malls. She spends around 10 grand a day buying luxary goods online while her husband gasses innocents so the rebels cant advance on Damascus. That whole country should be turned into a glass factory."

    Bullshit, they live modest compared to Gaddafi and Saddam's former extravagances.

    Glass factory's? Ask O-dumm-a to give you some manufacturing jobs by opening factories for the 20+ million unemployed in USA instead of turning Syria into a glass factory of rumble.

    How would you feel if your children were killed by Obama's bombs, dickhead!

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  71. No reason for Assad to use chemicals on innocents since he had the USA backed FSA terrorists Al Qaeda and co on the back foot.Assad was on top on the game.Its been years now.
    Its the FSA terrorists that had to use the gas on the innocents to get the Amercians to attack Assad and finish him like they did with poor Gaddafi.
    Why is America siding with these devious FSA terrorist c...ts?

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  72. @7:00 PM
    "weak president Obama,,, VIVA ROMNEY!"
    Viva John Wayne !

    " ...hahahaha bravo and talibanes will take care of the seals, that dude was smoking cherms what he said on his comment...bravo aint nobody to usa trained elite military!!! "

    IDK,Taliban seem to be holding their own against the super duper Seals,and Co. Seals need to cut down on the UFC and Coors-light beers at the base if they wanna have a chance of wiping out Taliban.

    Taliban said "show us the proof Osama did 9/11 and we will hand him over" but nah wasn't good enough for ya. You reap what you sow, I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for any troops.

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    1. Wrong taliban bro.....at least comprehend the statement before you make dipshit comments!

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  73. @6:47 PM
    right; and fix the US economy while your at it Obama and pay off the debts.
    Millions have lost their homes in USA ! Now you want to have more homeless in Syria too by bombing and killing them?

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  74. Todos hablan mucho y no dicen nada!

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  75. 1:45AM

    I did not vote for Obama either time, and I think he is a lousy president, but if this wikileaks is factual I agree with Obama. How does one justify that killing? Justification sans emotion?

    But I have trouble with the story. if DEA wanted to kill Chapo given the opportunity they would do so, why ask Obama? At the time Chapo was in Guate, Guate was sleeping with the last letter. Get it?

    An what would killing Chapo accomplish? Though he needs to be brought to justice, Removing capos never solves or changes anything. If so Calderon would be a hero, he captured the large majority of his chart of targeted narcos. What changed?

    Through July almost 14,000 narcos deaths since EPN took office, through July! at the deadliest year with Calderon it was 12, 658. Yes I know the numbers are low but I am using it as a comparative, how there are more deaths and more capos out of the playing field.

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  76. How dum are these Americans ? Kill chapo hes the only one keeping the Zetas out of the U.s sometimes i want chapo to be captured or killed too just to see how crazy things will get thats why hes protected because he protects ... Im not a cartel fan but open your eyes people its time to recognise the U.s is on chapos payroll hes a bussines man

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  77. Froy put the pipa down

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  78. Lol you are a funny man 12:32 pm

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  79. Chivis chapo knows too much and I think it was for their best interested , and yes zetas control a big portion of Guatemala , sad but true

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  80. September 1 2013 1:43am u are 110% correct its all about the big fish Russia and China they have tons of oil and money and we are in big trouble financially

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  81. I am all for having this scum bag executed. But the DEA is not a hit squad. Yes, they have their snipers and tac crews. Assassination, however, is another art form altogether. It's painfully obvious that we'll never fully know what goes on behind the doors with the CIA, NSA, NSC, or even the White House. It's also obvious that these agencies have, at times, brokered deals with people and organizations that would no doubt cause an outrage if it were publicly known. But we have to be honest with ourselves - if we weren't buying the drugs, Chapo wouldn't have shit. If we weren't importing the sex slaves and the indentured servants, these organizations would have nothing. If your son becomes an alcoholic, do you blame the alcohol company or take him to rehab?

    Execute all the Chapo's of the world. But stop turning a blind eye to the fact that it is America with the problem. Let's not spend so much time on the supplier and worry more about keeping our nation off the drugs to begin with. We will never be 100% successful, but we don't have to be. Attacking gang life styles, funding programs that really work (sorry D.A.R.E.), and developing accessible and quality rehabilitation programs would go a long way to weakening the cartels empires. Short of invading Mexico and trying to out right kill them all, there is no other alternative.

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  82. ¡Chapo Guzman for El presidente!

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  83. Cheers go to El Chapo and the Wikileaks

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  84. So the dea go around the world killing
    kingpins just like the isreali commandos
    Chapo is a fucking snitch every One should
    know by now. I mean why Would obitchma
    wanted him alive somebodysnitching
    And then us rapers think hes some
    Type of dope god but in reality hes just
    a snitch with a lot of money
    rapers dont know They rap about a
    welthy snitch. -Al Quds

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  85. quiz bitching and hating his the smallest guy in the unversre and they cant capture him

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  86. I think 1 cartel is better than 5. These drugs are cleaning up our streets. Its going to get crazy before it gets better but YOUR ALWAYS in control of your actions. Stay above the influence and let your kids see the horror that comes with drugs. Believe whatever you like, this is America. Dont think above your pay grade. Life is beautiful.

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  87. You guys need to have gone to mexico and be mexican to understand whats going on. Obama did i good job not killing el chapo. El chapo and his mentor el mayo zambada are the only people who can save mexico. If either of them die expect a lot more heroin addicts and meth addicts in your neighborhood. El cartel de sinaloa does not kill innocent people, rob, kidnap, or sell their product to their own people. They only sell marijuana (which is crappy reggie brown weed) and cocaine. Marijuana and cocaine are probably considered the safest of all drugs. They never dealt with heroin or meth. Now los zetas were built by selling heroin (which if you have an idea makes A LOT OF MONEY) and meth and they started because they sold to their own country (mexico) and attacked the rich to receive money. The zetas leader (Lazcano, which supposedly they killed, but everyone in Mexico knows his death was staged, was trained in the middle east). Los zetas are a horrible cartel, but smart. The only reason why the Sinaloa cartel isn't able to take them out yet is because they bribe Mexican marines, cops, officials, and mexican-american US soldiers to work for them. A police officer, in mexico, gets paid $5,000 DOLLARS a year, which shows you why they are corrupt. USA has sent weapons and army, marine, and navy commanders to train the mexican military. They have sent a lot of weapons. Most of them end up in the hands of the cartels. The soldiers trained by the American commanders turn over to the cartel. They mostly turn to the ZETAS cartel, which is the reason why Mexico is so bad. Unless USA goes into Mexico to get rid of all the cartels, which they can do in a day, leaving el chapo guzman alive and vicente el mayo zambada alive is the best thing they can do.

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  88. The sinaloa cartel has the mexican government in their side, but the zetas have set up branches of their cartels all over mexico. USA trained soldiers. Sinaloa Cartel was losing the fight, until recently small towns have built civilian auto defense groups and have taken over their towns and not allow drugs or cartels into their towns. A small revolution is forming. They are standing in the entries of their town with small, weak guns, but standing to protect their towns. As you might know, guns are prohibited in Mexico. The corrupt federal government goes into small towns, searches their homes, and seizes their weapons, but mexican immigrants who progressed in the United States are sending money to their towns in order for them to buy weapons and defend themselves from the government and the cartels. Remember, we might not have won huge victorious wars like USA has, but when our government fails, our people always respond. You might notice my passion for this, but it is because my father was killed by those motherfuckers who kill innocent people. My father was trying to build a vacation home in Acapulco (A famous tourist city) to retire. The cartel noticed he had money so they kidnapped his brother.

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  89. You may call el chapo a snitch, but he is the one trying to stop heroin and meth from crossing the border. I don't know if you guys have heard of china white, but that is the purest form of heroin and that is what the "bad cartel" is getting rich off. The new mexican president was put there by the sinaloa cartel (and they still can't get mexico back into control). Obama called off the assassination of el chapo, which was a good move. I live in chicago and recently we've been hearing that los zetas are already here and we see the news of bodies being found chopped up with a Z knifed in their chest. The Zetas are in US already. Watch the movie The watch with jake gyllengejal (whatever his name is). Its based on the Zetas cartel in california. If US is not going to go into Mexico and eliminate the cartels, then at least support el chapo. When the sinaloa cartel had control of all mexico, there was never any violence. Even Americans loved traveling to Mexico, now I that I am a Mexican-American, am afraid of visiting Mexico.

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  90. The world is becoming really bad. Is technology here to destroy us, or help us? When are we going to realize that money is the root of all evil. Look at Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber. They were good kids, and money changed them. My father always had a quote that i think they should listen to, " the more money you have, the more humble you should be."

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  91. Mexican music even changed. It used to have meaning, and tell interesting stories. Now it turned just like rap music and became flashy. All you hear in mexican music now is stories of how they pass tons of cocaine through the border and how they kill. Before it used to be of stories of how much they suffered in mexico and how they came to america to better themselves. Mexico is going down the drain. It saddens them, but I am ashamed of my country. I am proud of the auto defense groups standing up for themselves i hope to see more of those, and so far there is more towns building their owns auto defense groups.

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  92. Obama made the right choice not killing el chapo. He is nothing like pablo escobar or el señor de los cielos. He doesn't torture his own country or people. He is the only one in power to get rid of los zetas (which have become really powerful from selling heroin and meth to USA and selling it to their own country. They also kidnap the kids of rich parents and ask for monthly payments from businesses in exchange for protection.

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