Monday, December 6, 2010

Mexican state will try boy accused of beheadings


By OSWALD ALONSO
Associated Press

A 14-year-old boy accused of participating in four beheadings for a Mexican drug cartel will be tried under a state juvenile law that carries a maximum of three years in prison if convicted, a judge said Sunday.

The juvenile court judge in the state of Morelos made the ruling after a daylong hearing on whether the federal government should handle the case because of the gravity of the allegations against the boy, known as "El Ponchis."

The judge said that Mexican law allows him to preside over cases involving minors facing federal charges and that the teenager will face charges of murder, organized crime and other allegations in the state of Morelos.

After the hearing, the boy was escorted from the courthouse by 15 state police officers. Dozens more state and federal police were stationed inside and outside the court building.

Authorities said they arrested El Ponchis on Thursday at an airport south of Mexico City with a 19-year-old sister. Mexican officials allege the boy was working for the Cartel of the South Pacific, a branch of the splintered Beltran Leyva gang. The sister has said they were headed for Tijuana, where they planned to cross the border and seek refuge with their stepmother in San Diego.

Many youths have been used by drug cartels, but the story of El Ponchis may be the most shocking. A YouTube video that emerged a month ago sparked talk of a child hit man - said by some to be as young as 12.

"I participated in four executions, but I did it drugged and under threat that if I didn't, they would kill me," the boy said when he was handed over to the federal prosecutor Friday.

Authorities identified the curly haired suspect only by his first name, Edgar.

Morelos Gov. Marco Adame Castillo has said the boy was born in San Diego, California, and Mexican officials were researching whether he has dual nationality. A U.S. Embassy official, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to embassy policy, said earlier that American officials had not confirmed his citizenship.

As of Sunday his citizenship status was still unclear as was the possibility of the teenager being sent to the United States.

Despite apparently being born in the United States, he grew up in a poor, urban neighborhood packed with businesses near the city of Cuernavaca, where the people who knew him said everyone called him El Ponchis since he was 4, although no one knew why.

On Saturday, a car with a speaker on its roof drove around the neighborhood narrating how the boy had been captured. The neighbors, who did not want to be quoted by name because of safety fears, remembered him as a quiet boy and said they think the allegations against him are false.

The boy's capture, and subsequent presentation to the press, angered a Mexican children's advocacy group that said Sunday the teen's privacy and due process rights were violated. The group, the Children's Rights Network said Mexican officials should not have allowed journalists to question the boy after his arrest.

It's common practice in Mexico for authorities to parade adult and young suspects in significant cases before the news media.

The teen's next court date has not been set.

45 comments:

  1. You mean, you can viciously murder 4 human beings, get paid a shitload of money to do it and all you get is fuking 3 years!? No wonder shit's just getting worse by the day. In three years this cocksucker is going to be back on you tube doing the same shit.Shame!

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  2. Someone needs to tell Calderon not to come to the new bridge opening on the 14th. The event has already been compromised. Obama was also coming to the City of Donna celebration, but pulled out. Assassination threat to both presidents is too great.

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  3. Thats even less than one year per murder!! Wow, the judicial system in Mexico is really messed up. I dont care if teh kid is 8, he deserves the death!

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  4. the Children's Rights Network is upset cause his rights were violated??!!!!?????? He fucking killed people and decapited them. He tried running from the law!!!

    As far as im concerned this punk has no rights. If it were up to me I would make his execution a public thing. I set up seats in the town square and invite people to witness it and take pictures and even videos. Obviously he's not camera shy if he's appearing in videos where he fucking decapitates people!!! FUCK HIS RIGHTS!!!!

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  5. WTF only three F$&@ing years... That's F/(&"ing bullshit...

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  6. It's sickening to see the blood lust here being expressed by so many. This 'tough' approach doesn't work well though, as the spread of gangs out of US prisons into much of Central America and Mexico should be ample evidence of, though the thick headed will never want anything as supposed solution other than executions for 8 year old kids and the like. These people are Dick Cheney wannabes...

    Ernest1

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  7. BREAKING NEWS*******THIS MOFO IS A U.S CITIZEN********

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  8. CORRECTION: He ADMITS to 4 killings and beheadings

    The government says the real number is in the hundreds.

    Presently Mexico has no provision in law to allow him to be tried as an adult. There is a bill pending, but currectly he must be tried in juvenile "court" sent to a rehabilitation adn set free at 18...

    that is unless cartel commandos do no burst in and free him from incarceration as recently done for 4 boys in NL covicted of kidnap and murder

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  9. 3 years is better than what we would do to a Mexican! if a mexican juvenile crosses over and commits a federal offense on the us side then he is simply handed over to the mexican consulate because the feds don't prosecute juveniles

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  10. E1..

    While I must admit I do not want this juvenile or no one else be tortured, the human society is denied when justice does not prevail. This young person should be tried as an adult, his crimes are atrocities, torture, murder, beheadings, he deserves to go to prison after his stay in juvenile dention center. Thats my do centavos...

    and yours? If you were to determine the just fate of this assassin, what would you deem just?

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  11. Ay....

    The United States now has asked to "see"Ponchis.

    Here is the link:

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/dec/06/us-officials-ask-see-san-diego-born-boy-accused-me/

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  12. 'Buela, what good does it do in having a juvenile justice system if people like yourself always call for underage kids to be tried as adults (after convicted in the press) and then hung after being raped in jail, tortured and the like?

    It seems like the only solutions to anything sung by many in the US are violent non-solutions? You are the people that produce reflections of the monsters you have become yourselves.

    You look at this kid and are seeing much yourself and the society around you, I do believe. You live in a society run by mass murderers who most of you voted for having in office.

    'Buela said...
    E1.. This young person should be tried as an adult, his crimes are atrocities, torture, murder, beheadings, he deserves to go to prison after his stay in juvenile dention center. Thats my do centavos...'

    My answer might seem harsh, but what I see and hear all around me merits my own harsh judgement of this sort of sentiment I believe. I know how many pretend that the US military and government was not torturing POWs when all of you deep down knew exactly what was going down FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. You play innocent and sweet but are a bunch of monsters at heart and have made misleaders rule over us all.

    Ernest1

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  13. E1

    I understand your opinions, you have made them clear. I understand your complaints, that you given with clarity. What you never have given is your idea of solutions. I gave you a simplistic task. I picked a topic for you, juveniles that commit mass murder, torture, dismemberment. Then I further defined my question to include only this juvenile who by his own admission, committed these atrocities, I gave you a tiny defined in the box scenario and asked...

    E1...what do YOU think should be done? What is justice in this case to YOU. very simple, and sincere I ask this. You say your answer may be harsh? No E1 it is not harsh, it is irrelevant, because it is a non answer. It was just E1 climbing up on his tiny soapbox and give me the same old rehashed rhetoric, and answers nothing.

    You say I/we do not know that the US military has tortured POWS, that is a big ignorant assumption there my friend. No government has been exempt from doing this. NONE. My own uncle spent his years living with the nightmare of his time as a POW in WWII, my fiancé, a pow in Vietnam was killed while in captivity, at the same time he was being tortured by the VC, Us soldiers were killing innocents in places such as My Lai. Shameful behavior, but what the fuck does that have to do with the question I placed in a box tied a bow and handed you? Nothing. as always.

    As for your question to me..what good will it do to lock the murderer in a facility? So now we must find the good in seeing justice is not denied? and if we are unable to, guess E1 would set them free? what happened to punitive justice? He must pay for his crime, if you cannot see that people must be held accountable, then you are hopeless. That makes me sad. But I will say, he will not be tortured, again, you are being ignorant, he will go to a facility, for 3 years or less, he will "own" it, no other juvenile will fuck with him, he may be sprung by a cartel commando and he will be out to be free and to do what the hell he wants. Even if he could be redeemed, hypothetically, there are no such services for kids in Mx. resources are few usually problem children which in the eyes of Mx includes disabled children, are drugged with psychotropic drugs, so they will "behave". but even if they had the resources to treat the mind, character and morality of this person it would be a waste of resoruces.


    So back to the question...which hopefully is now clear, what EXACTLY would you do with this person?

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  14. December 06,2010 4:27 P.M.

    Since the "tough" approach does not sit well with you, maybe when he's out in three years you can take him to live with you and nurture him back to humanity you liberal F@%# !

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  15. @ i hate my country right or wrong AKA ernst1

    so help to me clarify your position here ...you advocate leniency for this little monster

    yet i distinctly recall you telling me that i should quote " blow my brains out " in one of your previous comments

    so death to all that disagree with ernst T
    but go easy of those who deserve punishment

    not only are you an idiot , and a hypocrite, you are an inconsistant one at that

    and as for your hatred of anything American...

    in the words of sun tzu ...to defeat an enemy you must first make him angry

    the very system you despise has defeated you

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  16. @ ernst 1 angry and beaten

    you lend credence to Alexis De Tocquevsille's concerns about democracy and freedom of speech ,

    in that it would enable the voice of simpletons to be heard at the same volume as other more thoughtful heads

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  17. @ angry y beaten

    but i do have to say i am a bit sadistic and taunting the village idiot from time to time is not beneath me...laughing..jajaja

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  18. @ angry y beaten

    yesssss....you know who are ...well maybe you have an identity crisis ...but I know who you are

    you have smacked the hornets nest now pendejo....

    you have pissed off un latina...and a very intelligent articulate one at that...who is also very brave y valiant ...the Miguel Aleman relief mission...



    maybe nothing said here will affect the situation in Mexico, but some of us used to think things like visualize it and it can happen...or manifest a new reality....at least send some needed psychic energy to Mexico...at least show some concern

    it is not ALL about you pobrecito

    can you offer/propose ANY possible solutions?

    and just what did you do in all your time in central and south America?

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  19. Buela replay..with love to E1December 7, 2010 at 9:24 AM

    TO ERNEST 1

    I am reposting...because I took time to ask you the question that you have yet to answer. This is not combative, I REALY want to know the answer. SO much that I dragged myself out of bed (pneumonia) to seek an answer...Humor me..

    Ernest1


    December 6, 2010 10:11 PM
    Buela said...
    E1

    I understand your opinions, you have made them clear. I understand your complaints, that you given with clarity. What you never have given is your idea of solutions. I gave you a simplistic task. I picked a topic for you, juveniles that commit mass murder, torture, dismemberment. Then I further defined my question to include only this juvenile who by his own admission, committed these atrocities, I gave you a tiny defined in the box scenario and asked...

    E1...what do YOU think should be done? What is justice in this case to YOU. very simply, and sincere I ask this. You say your answer may be harsh? No E1 it is not harsh, it is irrelevant, because it is a non answer. It was just E1 climbing up on his tiny soapbox and give me the same old rehashed rhetoric, and answers nothing.

    You say I/we do not know that the US military has tortured POWS, that is a big ignorant assumption there my friend. No government has been exempt from doing this. NONE. My own uncle spent his years living with the nightmare of his time as a POW in WWII, my fiancé, a pow in Vietnam was killed while in captivity, at the same time he was being tortured by the VC, Us soldiers were killing innocents in places such as My Lai. Shameful behavior, but what the fuck does that have to do with the question I placed in a box tied a bow and handed you? Nothing. as always.

    As for your question to me..what good will it do to lock the murderer in a facility? So now we must find the good in seeing justice is not denied? and if we are unable to, guess E1 would set them free? what happened to punitive justice? He must pay for his crime, if you cannot see that people must be held accountable, then you are hopeless. That makes me sad. But I will say, he will not be tortured, again, you are being ignorant, he will go to a facility, for 3 years or less, he will "own" it, no other juvenile will fuck with him, he may be sprung by a cartel commando and he will be out to be free and to do what the hell he wants. Even if he could be redeemed, hypothetically, there are no such services for kids in Mx. resources are few usually problem children which in the eyes of Mx includes disabled children, are drugged with psychotropic drugs, so they will "behave". but even if they had the resources to treat the mind, character and morality of this person it would be a waste of resoruces.

    So back to the question...which hopefully is now clear, what EXACTLY would you do with this person

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  20. @ B and everyone else


    ya know ...i am beginning to think this ernst t character is either an automated response bot of some sort...

    a twelve year old ...

    or the resident of a mental institution..

    .he did mention 30 years involvement in the us health care system,,,this may mean 30 years in the mental health system...he does seem do be the victim of some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder...

    some one... maybe A. Einstien once defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a differen't result

    or maybe it i is a parrot with access to a keyboard...

    either way it is pretty entertaining to watch so many differen't people ask him? to make a comment offering a possible solution...

    and hear back ...

    polly wants a cracker,,,,polly wants a cracker

    that would explain the inability to respond in a coherent manner to the question

    what did he do all those years in C. y S. America

    laughing ...jajajjaa

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  21. Why do you not post my comments regarding this matter, is this blog now the entertainment of a chosen few? Due process of law is the way in the USA though by a long shot perfect. You want to condem or sentence or adjudicate this kid without proven fact presented in front of a judge and jury of his peers. Such is the way for US citizens. It sounds like Buela has mind up his mind and beleives in an eye for an eye if that is so then you condem yourself with your judgement of and to others. So my friend be prepare to answer for your wrong doings and secrets.

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  22. It's getting hot here. Great because it's freezing here in Florida.

    @Ernesto99, your hatred towards the US matches the hatred of tea bagers for our govt. You are all showing shameful disrespect for your own country and its citizen. You deserve to be all put in a bag and thrown in the river. Being originally from western Europe (that means the wealthy part ...), I know the US health system is poorly managed. For example the Swiss one is also private, has better results, and costs half what we pay here. And US life expectancy is the lowest within the OECD countries. So yes, I believe there should be serious improvements but it doesn't make me mad. I love this country and will always try to help it improving. Ernesto, I have told you many times to take your meds, naughty boy. Try Ritalin.

    @ Buela, your question could be answered with the example of the resolution of civil wars in Sierra Leone, West Africa. The use and abuse of child soldiers was systematic, and the kids ended drugged up and carrying out mass murders and mutilations. Many kids were involved and they were detained after the war ended. Because of their number and the goal of achieving civil peace, their government decided to rehabilitate the kids instead of punishing them. So far, it did work. One of the kids is now in college in the US and wrote a book about his experience.

    I also have read that the Mx clergy suggests the sicario kid to be locked in an asylum and given psychiatric help for the time it could take.

    Anyway, prison is not my answer.

    BTW if this civil war in Mx ever ends, the Mx govt will be facing the same problem than Sierra Leone or Rwanda: 100s of thousands of people -many in their teens- are now living on crime, without fear of being threatened by the current judicial system. What would you do with all of them when a effective system comes in place? That's a lot of jails to build.

    I believe there is no resolution in sight unless Calderon accepts that he has to deal with a civil war and that it should be treated accordingly. Hillary was right when she compared Mx to the 80s' Colombia. Even if she got the Mx govt pissed.

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  23. Do not respond to Ernesto! It's a troll - and a very successful one judging by these posts. He has you all stirred up and he is never on topic. BB posters do not respond - ernesto is a troll.

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  24. @ matanzas

    i appreciate you considered opinions here...you make sense, and though i don't always agree with you, i do respect your point of view...

    i do disagree about the kids , even though i see how they are almost forced into this life by social conditions...almost is the pivot.... there so many other kids who don't join the dark side , as to invalidate the irrestible pressure that some people feel excuses the "bad " kids

    I am from one of those regions in the US where there was extreme poverty...and personally witnessed some of my peers go bad , while others who were just as poor and tempted didn't

    I sort of went bad...lived a life of petty crime ...petty in that i never killed, kidnapped or raped anybody ...i was lucky and survived to grow out of it without doing any serious time in jail...

    when i was 14 years old ...hell yes i knew exactly what i was doing...and didn't give a shit , all i cared about was not getting captured, and i most certainly looked up to older more violent and successful crooks


    some of my classmates are dead or in prison doing life sentences for everything from murder to robbery, rape and kidnapping


    some of the others went on to become teachers , doctors and lawyers, and one even a minister...with six kids...

    we all breathed the same air ..ate the same food ..had the same opportunity

    what i am saying is i think sometimes it is in your makeup to become certain things, and even though i feel some amount of sorrow for the "bad" kids ,,i have to take a hard line ...if you do the crime ...i think you need to do the time ...it is the only way to protect the ones who will go on to better things from the ones who wont...the option of graveyard or Penitentiary definately moderated my decisions

    it is one thing when an army sweeps through your area and forces you at gunpoint to either join or die...it is another when you ...decide to go for it and take up the crime life


    either way it is a sad ass situation in Mexico and dosen't look good over the horizon

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  25. @ 'lito 'brito
    You are better informed than me for having a valid opinion on the subject. Good for you that you were able to turn your life around my friend.
    Not sure if the kid needs a shrink or a fire squad. But it's sure that 3 years detention, even in a juvenile facility with little therapy, will not be enough to prevent him from harming the society when released.

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  26. 12:39

    I've seen quite a few troll on my day. Ernest1 is just VERY adamant with regard to his stance on certain issues. I disagree with him most of the time but he has a place here on BB; he's brings forth views from across the isle. They may not be correct IMO but he can express them as such if he wishes.

    A for me, I think this kid should be tried like an adult, which would be the case if he was facing U.S. justice. Quite frankly I don't buy the "high on weed" as an excuse for what he did. I've never heard of ANY strain of weed that could make a person homicidal. Meth, perhaps but not MJ.

    Besides as I have stated before, IF he wants to be such a badass narco, let him stand trial like one.

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  27. smurf ...don't tell me you have never heard of "killer weed" man jajajajajaa

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  28. i don't think that ernest1 cares wether you respond to him or not. i know that he cares about this blogsite becuase he gives regular donations to borderland beat. they deserve it. but he's only willing to speak about the atrocities that the united states "government" has caused on the world, especially mexico. it just does'nt seem like he's here to communicate.

    im okay with that. as long as you don't disrespect god or my family, then i will respect you.

    i enjoy listening to everyone's opinion. i only wish that more anonymous people would come out. it would make communication more easier and more interesting.

    nowadays, people have become too passive when speaking out against the U.S. government. the conservative republicans have been stepping on the liberal democrats for way too long already and the governments have been abusing their people way too much. i respect a man....or woman who speaks for the minorities and takes on the machine.

    at least ernest1 has a voice, it's just that it's only programmed to speak against the U.S. government and anyone who disagrees with him.

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  29. @Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiito!

    Did you ever see the movie stepford wives? nuff said...our friend cannot answer a simple question, I am now in the belief is he is incapable, just the same old leftover hash for our little robot...2 bad I wanted an answer. Maybe he is doing research?

    @ Mantanzas...kind/big hearted friend...
    I am well schooled of Sierra Leone children etc. But there are some profound differences between those children and our pal Ponchis. Not the least of which is the Sierra boys were FORCED into murder, the El Ponchis' of Mx CHOSE and are wooed into the life, the promise of big money, big life, a humungous, revelvant difference from a psychiatry standpoint. Brito is correct scientifically some of what we are is derived from our gene pool but it is circumstance and enivormental that forms-shapes who we become within that gene pool. There have been countless studies of this, one of the best are studies of identical twins separated at birth and they grow into adults that are so alike yet never have been together to influence the like of their personality. We know SOME is genetic but also enviromental factors shape our character and moral compass.

    Here is my point. For the kids that murder, not all should be tried or even imprisoned persay, each case must be considered separately. e.g. a child that has been horribly abused, sexual, physically whatever, should be given treatment in a facility. This has occured sucessfully. But that is very different than in this ponchis case. Also even if Mexico put this punk in a mental ward..are you familiar with those in Mx? OMG! I am SURE he would rather do time, anyone would, the abuse is horrific and the treatment is 100% mind numbing psychotropic drugs. That's it. This I know and am 100% sure of. So if this punk goes there they will one day say "Mexico has cured this beast" then the beast will go out and kill again. & Mx will say he "relapsed"

    E1 is blind I never said this ponchis should be tortured or raped or hung..but there is accountability, and that is justice, and these crimes warrant he be tried as an adult and placed in prison which is the ONLY place in Mexico that the Mx society has a 50/50 chance of being safe from this bastard. In juvey he will be king, not even the adults will fuck with him, would you?

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  30. @ Brito

    I use weed killer, when I am playing insect scicario, is that the same as killer weed?
    ;-)

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  31. @ B

    jajaja...good one...

    the US government had the Columbians spraying this agent orange like shit thay called paraquat on pot fields back sometimes in the 70's....and it was killing dope smokers...

    it really was killer weed /weed killer

    i can't believe this little monster only got 3 years ...what tha fuck...when i was 16 the totally evil corrupt cops where i lived tried to have me indicted as an adult for being a persistent felon...I WAS 16..it was all over some minor shit like vandalism ...conviction on that carries a sentence of twenty years ...

    this easy time for being a cold hearted killer really sends a message ...go ahead ...we wont punish you much....and to think there are honest policeman y soldados who are dying in this war...what a slap in the face to them...

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  32. @ Ajulio

    the thing is that in principal i agree with ol' ernie....we should give a shit about what our govt is doing ..and it is doing some bad shit to us and everbody else...

    so is the most of the rest of the govts out there ..they are all in place to protect and enrich their own upper class

    the USA may be half the problem in Mexico..but to harp on that is to ignore tha OTHER half of the problem...the greedy..evil corrupt criminal minds are the other...you can only corrupt those who want it ...like the devil ..he can only come in if invited

    plus ever since the guy told me i should shoot myself...well that kinda soured me ..
    i don't need lectured about the govt...when i was 18.. six cops ran me down and circled me and proceeded to beat me half to death ...and then kept me in jail for a week until i looked sort of human again...i got the scars on my head...

    and now the big mouth anti-govt defender of human rights tells me too shoot myself...

    loss of credibility!!!!!

    ay chinga

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  33. Good grief. I go and work a few shifts and 'Buela goes bezerko because I am not replying to him/ her and his interrogations of me quick enough... Well I am so sorry, 'Buela and others, but don't go and pee in your panties though.

    And the appropriately e-named Matanzas wants to slaughter me Zeta style, all because I don't favor throwing kids into the adult US courts automatically like all you blood lusting lucha libre and so estupida fans want for this kid.

    'Matanzas said... @Ernesto99, your hatred towards the US matches the hatred of tea bagers for our govt. You are all showing shameful disrespect for your own country and its citizen. You deserve to be all put in a bag and thrown in the river'

    I'm so sorry 'Buela, but there are no simple solutions for some problems, and this is one case here where that is precisely so. There are simpleton solutions though, and that is the 'we are going to get tough tough tough approach to everything.'

    This kid was preteen even when he supposedly did the crimes he is now accused of doing. Murder is a serious crime and the kid merits more than just a 3 year sentence if found guilty, yet you bloodlusters out there want him tried in an adult court and then what? Executed?

    You dopey people are as sick as this kid is IMO. When we start trying kids under the age of 15 in adult courts and throwing the full adult book at them, then we have simply degenerated into being the animals we supposedly are opposing. If you weren't all so sick looking for other's blood to be shed, you might all be able to see that? But you supposed Christians (I believe most of you consider yourselves to be) just want human sacrifice, 'eye for an eye', and to be able to cheer on the State's 'justice' when the State has shown itself incapable of being just for centuries now.

    Sorry, 'Buela. No simple Ernest1 solution for you. The problem is a lot larger than just this one kid though. The problem really is the type of dopey readers of BB that want to become an online lynch mob against all they hold responsible. The problem is though, that most of you have so little judgement that you're chasing after all the wrong people most of the time, and holding up for praise those that do much worse than some sad sack street kid under 15 has perhaps done.

    Ernest1

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  34. E1
    BLAH-BLAH BLAH-BLAH BLAH-

    You disappointed me. as the song goes "Is that all there is?"

    You have loss so much credibility in your inability to be more than one dimensional. No shit is is not simple, but surely you can weigh the facts of what is, what can be (in Mx) and what can be done with the limited resources Mx has or is willing to invest. You attack everything, ignoring the fact that I actually agree with some comments you post, in part. Your assumptions are so wild about other people, it is as tough a little trigger sets you off for the same ol same ol. Dang, I wanted more for you, I had faith that a person with your apparent intelligence, articulation and education could think beyond the soap box and give at least one suggestion. You simply don't give a rats ass for the kids of Mx, if you did you would think of a solution or two, even in theory, before you say what good would it do? It makes us human to care, to wonder to promote change even if it is simply in the first person. I am frustrated in what I find in Mx, the education system is design to keep a lower class at over 50% poverty rate, and 15% starvation rate. I know what can work, on the cheap and have built schools to prove this theory. So when I see an intelligent man that cannot even offer one simple answer to this question "do we let him free?" or "what do we do in this case" when you cannot offer nothing but your woeful tired BS, ...
    THEN IT IS A GLARING FACT YOU DO NOT CARE ANYTHING ABOUT MX. this is simply a forum for you to hate anything US.

    That sucks hard, I had a different perception of you. You attack us as being stupid, dopey and simpletons...attacking personally. I have disagreed with you but have treated you with respect and defended your right to opinion. I have called you ignorant because you are, not stupid but def ignorant. I have never said to hang him to try every murder case in adult court, you seem to skip over my truth, my op. I only say what I know to be fact, first hand knowledge what is, and the parameters that Mx finds itself in. I have trained thousands of teachers in Mx on my dollar so that the poor and special needs children have a chance at possibilities. I know what works but have to fashion a program with what exists, it is no use for me to simply stand and shout what is wrong. I take personally responsibility that in finding such a tremendous flawed system, there are ways I can create improvement. This comes with working with all segments of the society, government; states and fed, citizens, parents, and my foundations together. It has been successful and effective and everyone is happy. I can think of nothing greater than when I am sitting with people that have been profiled as crooked Politian's even on BB, than to tell them what I truly think of them, and to ignore their invitations to socialize. But I think of the kids that will gain nothing and swallow the temptations to say "go fuck yourselves and die directly after". It was the only way I can get approval to build schools, therapy centers, computer labs, kitchens on gov school land with their blessing, contracted and they provide the staff, teachers, etc. I found a way to be effective. However if I had your mentality, all black no gray, I could not have helped hundreds of thousands of children. You call me and the others names, so tell me E1 what exactly have you done to create change in what you see needs change? You cannot even offer one fucking solution. All talk..Blah-Blah Blah- Blah Blah


    For the record and it should be apparent e.g. BUELA, I am a She...not a he and no tranny. Or were trying to talk down to me? Shame on you to stoop to the depth of school yard tactics, your mama raised a fool with no manners, doesn't wear well with a person of your age, some 50+ years.

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  35. Ernesto101, you are indeed a strange guy. I am not criticizing you for your opinion on the kid, we share the same! I am just tired of the US bashing in all your posts. That's all. Please read posts before jumping on your keyboard.
    Also, the "bag in the river" is just an old expression from my country, it didn't mean I intended to eliminate you the Zs way. Sorry for the misunderstanding. No harm intended.
    Auf wiedersehen.

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  36. US EMBASSY MET WITH PONCHIS....
    to check on his welfare, and assure he has an attorney..

    US STILL CANNOT VERIFY HIS CLAIMED CITIZENSHIP.
    someone explain to me why?

    http://en.terra.com/latin-in-america/news/u_s_officials_met_with_14year_old_mexican_drug_cartel_hit_man/hof12824

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  37. @ anon 10:20 said;
    It sounds like Buela has mind up his mind and beleives in an eye for an eye if that is so then you condem yourself with your judgement of and to others. So my friend be prepare to answer for your wrong doings and secrets.

    I reply:
    First I am a she, not a he and never been a he, happily a she. You see Buela is feminine "a" last letter. If you read all my posts and if you are capable of comprehension, read slowy... and eye for an eye? Is that what you derived? are you serious? Ay....ok...try again, and understand I did not say anything of the sort, I am not that shallow or elementary, one size does not fit all. I have conducted humantarian work in Mx for 30 yrs, I know exactly what is there.

    As for my "secrets and wrongdoings" WHOA....you are almost humorous but loca/loco also.. to jump to such a huge assumption not knowing shit about me casting insults and judgements ...you Sally armchair qtr back...ok I will bite,,, tomorrow I have the 4th surgery this year and I need a little distraction, I have almost finished my non-profit work for the week...so I need to be entertained a bit. GO FOR IT !!!

    What secrets? What WRONGDOINGS? pls do not be like E1...try to answer...its a challenge. for now can I bring you out..out of the closet so to speak...lets call you E2. Damn I thought you'd never arrive

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  38. @Buela,
    I will think of you tomorrow. Do well, you are a great Lady.
    Best wishes from Florida.
    Mit freundlischen gruessen, avec mon amitie.

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  39. @brito
    if you feel it, then you should say it. i saw that it was a process of insults that made you snap. but man, to me it was poetry. anger and wit make a powerful combination. it's all harmless anyway. people who express themselves live longer.



    as for these young criminals...it doesnt matter if these young criminals are treated if there is no work for them when they are released. so the drug business has to exist in order for mexico to live in peace under reliable notions. its a viscous cycle. plus mexico makes money off of drugs. it makes sense that maybe calderon wants only one godfather, one cartel to monopolize.

    this sounds mean but i do believe that they should execute these teenage serial killers or at least imprison them for life.


    @buela
    i wish you the best of luck with your surgery tomorrow and godspeed.

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  40. @brito

    don't sweat the small things. you seem like a person who's been around to worry about a few insults. you just keep making your funny and unique comments.

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  41. Thanks for the good wishes, like most things there exists a silver lining. When I come to in post op I never remember a thing, if I dream I sure do not remember, so that means I can have an honest break from cartels, injustice, mean people, headless bodies and visa versa....

    But I will recover and come back strong, I better, because this is plan "Z"..jeje..just think how fun it will be when I have good physical strenght, as they say; you ain't seen nothing yet..

    Paz

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  42. I like your grand... shall we say?... humility, 'Buela.

    'I found a way to be effective. However if I had your mentality, all black no gray, I could not have helped hundreds of thousands of children.'

    If you say so, 'Buela??? I didn't realize that there were that many kids in Miguel Aleman, or Santa Maria where your First Baptist church is located at? But OK...

    'lito 'brito warned me that....
    'you (Ernest1) have pissed off un latina...and a very intelligent articulate one at that...who is also very brave y valiant ...the Miguel Aleman relief mission...'

    But this is very surprising language coming from a nice Hispanic woman of the Primera Iglesia Bautista in South Texas, supposedly who has been organizing relief efforts for Miguel Aleman and there abouts, is it not?

    'Shameful behavior, but what the fuck does that have to do with the question I placed in a box tied a bow and handed you? Nothing. as always.'

    What gives? 'What the fuck'? You can see why some would think that you are not quite a woman, I would think? Perhaps you are a Pastor Schwartz at your nice little church instead? I just don't know? The internet can be rather weird though!

    And more rather weird language from little ol' lady 'Buela...

    'Buela said...
    @Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiito!
    Did you ever see the movie stepford wives? nuff said...our friend cannot answer a simple question, I am now in the belief is he is incapable, just the same old leftover hash for our little robot...2 bad I wanted an answer. Maybe he is doing research?'

    Investigating? Research? Well yes I have been, 'Buela. You just don't add up well with your stories and your language used. I just cannot believe that a Hispanic woman, living supposedly in South Texas, can be talking in English about the move "Stepford Wives' and calling me 'our little robot'???? I've spent plenty time crossing that Rio Grande City bridge over the Rio Bravo back and forth and people just do not talk like that down there. Nobody living there does.

    Now a man (on the internet) I can see acting and talking like you do. But I do not think of you as some nice deeply religious woman. You are not.

    Now, I hope I have answered some of your questions you, 'Buela, and your friend, 'lito 'brito, have asked of me... If not?... I will try yet more to do so in the future.

    Ernest1

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  43. If people really followed the laws of God, and interpet them right,: It says that people that commit pre-meditated murder, they are to be executed. It's ovious from the videos that these boy had no remorse in his behavior. He enjoys the evil, and he also gets paid.WoW! Love your job and also get paid. He also admiited to the murders. Jesus was callled 'master'rabbi'teacher'. He was the master teacher and his words were:Mathew 5:17-19, it says: Think not that that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Til heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall in no wise pass from the law, til all. be fulfilled. The old testament had a fence around it's words, A MASSORAH, and it's define: All the oldest and best manuscripts of the Hebrew bible contain on every page, beside the Text which is arranged in two or more colums) a varying number of lines of smaller writing, distributed between the upper and lower margins. This smaller writings is called the Massorah. In other words, God made sure that the scriptures kept their meaning and they were preserved to this time frame.( A JOT. ). If there is not a reason beyond a doubt that a person murders, (premeditated homocide), killing is define differently: protecting youself, your family, your country, etc. etc., then the law of execution is demanded by God. As some would say: what about 'turn the other check', that's also a mistranslation by priests, and alike. It's real meaning if you read the whole paragaph, it's talking about: again, the LAW OF GOD. Is someones tell you a false statement, you turn the check, and return back with the truth. It is a mepahor, a figure of speech. Today, we do not have good teachers, in religion, education,. Keep the people stupid, so we can control them.

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  44. @ Rose...
    you say;
    "If people really followed the laws of God, and interpet them right"..

    But see Rose, that's the age old debate..just who "interpet's them right" ...causing conflicts and wars forever..but I don't want to debate that. Where I do agree with you is that when I child fails to develop in his morality or character there is many layers of "culpa". but none stronger than the home, it may be mom/dad, or single parents, grandparents, whomever is the role model in the child's home have a responsibilty to be their inital teacher of what is wrong as well as right. Then we have the responsibilty of the government to assure that all children have equal access to an education, whatever that may be, equal for all people, wealthy/poor. Equal education equates to equal acess to employment. In Mx is has never been that way. Ed system designed to keep the majority of people in poverty, to keep the classes separate. The schools for the poor children are bad...teachers rarely are certified nor have teaching degrees. Materials are few, even the very amt of students that can be enrolled are limited. So these cartels have a very wide field of recruit,,,and Mx governemnt can blame themselves. I blame them more than the cartels. Nothing will change in Mx without changes the educational-socio structure.

    But please do not call them "stupid", stupidity has nothing to do with it, they have not been aforded the opportunity to learn, so they may be ignorant, uneducated, but surely not stupid.

    don't know if you saw the update of Ponchis. I will attach the link. Everyone failed him. But I see many more kids living in hogars that have lived horrific lives, and they do not choose to kill. Its heartbreaking isn't it?


    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jan/01/criminal-probes-tied-suspected-teen-hitman-continu/

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  45. Dear Buela, your right. They are not stupid, but they are ignorant. What I meant is that deep within our souls, theres a small voice in us that says this is wrong. Enjoying the pain of others. WELL I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT' SOCIO-PATHIC PERSONALITY.(AN INABILITY TO FEEL FOR ANOTHER HUMANBEING) Theres a book called the 4 agreements and it says noT to take the insults or lies of others personally, because we put ourselves in a spell so to speak. I can have compassion on some-one who has been molested or witness a loved one murdered. But when the same expample is followed by that person becoming a monster, well, I don't KNOW what to say about that. Forgiveness is the key. Forgiving people that hurt us and forgiving ourselves for our short-falls. I think we all have a story to tell, and all of us have carried our own crosses. Some have heavyier crosses than others. I don't live in Mexico, and many years ago I did see the poverty, and my heart went to the little kids, and I saw others with despair in their faces, and I wish I could done more. But the reality is that the government plays a big role in these circumstances. They basically don't care about the poor and oppressed. Then come the cartels, and they use the desperation of the people to control and manipulate them. We live in a world where people DON'T have the ability to really love and care for each other, and whats left, HATE AND GREED, AND BETTER GET HIM BEFORE HE GETS ME!! It is a terrible THING. These world for the moment belongs to Satan, and he knew it when he said to Jesus, These kingdoms I give you if you fall down and worship me. If by a miracle, lets say these boy, PONCHIS) in his sincerity, was remorseful, I can understand the power of forgiveness, and your right, It's not my call to prononunce judgements on him, with me, without myself being judge for my-short comings. That's God job, not mine. The only right thing for me to do is try to have compassion for the young kids that are committing these crimes, and I do wonder what happen to them, their circumstances. I've seen some of the victims wearing crosses and I do wonder what happen, or who they are. All of us people are precious to God, and many people see themselves as scum, but it doesn't take away the fact, despite it, God still LOVES ALL OF US, . I think maybe it's we that decide to be scum-bags, because we believe we are one, especially if we didn't receive the love and nurturing that we all need to be decent human-beings. FORGIVING OURSELF IS THE KEY TO SELF REDEMPTION.

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